ROTS Anakin vs. ESB Vader

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Now..ROTS Anakin/Vader vs. ESB Vader?
Obviously younger vader is WAY more mobile and agile, but ESB Vader I think is more comfortable with the darkside.

Theyre fighting in Mos Isley...(spelling?)

ROTS Anakin...GL said that ROTS is where we see Anakin at his peak.

Peak in what? Peak Force powers? Peak saber skills? Peak of force powers and saber skills? Peak in lean body mass? "Peak" alone doesn't mean much.

I believe GL said that when Anakin turned to the darkside, he became the most powerful force user in the galaxy. That didn't really help him much since he didn't have nearly enough knowledge, but we know he would overwelcome ESB Vader in Saber combat. However ESB Vader is superior to him in the force.

So GL said that Anakin became stronger then Yoda or Sidious? LMAO. What was GL thinking?

Potentially yes, that's what GL said.. But that potential was useless since Anakin had no real knowledge of the force.

Yes, GL said ROTS is when we see Anakin at his peak. he also said OT Vader is "a shell of his old self." ROTS Anakin wins quite easily, there's no way Vader could keep up with his speed, Anakin's Force powers are at least equal to Vader's. Plus he's in extremely good shape from fighting in the war. he managed to defeat Count Dooku. The only thing ESB Vader has over him is patience, but Anakin has enough patience to beat Vader.

Like I said, at his peak in what?

Vader has far greater force powers then Anakin and we learned in RODV that Vader's style didn't need to be fast because the raw power behind each swing made any atempt by faster people to slash him useless as they were knocked away.

Right, except Vader wouldn't be able to keep up with Anakin during the duel. I've already said though that ESB Vader's force powers surpass Anakin's.

I don't think that Mech Vader is more powerful in the force than human Vader per se, i think he's just more comfortable or used to it more. I think that even though he was still mean and vicious, young Vader (or Anakin) had more raw anger that intensified his darkside powers, mech Vader just knows how to use them and can control his anger better. So i think it would be a duelist vs wizard type...and you saw what happened the first time Anakin met Dooku...pwned. So its hard to say given those points (to me) and take in account they're fighting on Tattoine amongst the sand where its still fresh in young Vaders mind how much he hates it and "doesn't like the sand". if YV tried jumping at MV, i think he would fling him into a wall. But then, thats only one part of the duel.

Of course he's more powerful in the force. He's had 20 years to study man.. Anakin didn't know a damn thing in ROTS except that cute force grip.

And when has Vader ever shown force skills greater then that?

He's shown he could force choke somebody through a tv monitor while speaking. If anything we see for sure that he has a greater control of the force than Anakin.

thats what i said, he was more comfortable with it, he knew how to control it, although I believe that young Vader had more raw power.

Potentially yes, but young vader didn't have the knowledge. ESB Vader had 20 years of force knowledge and tutelage from the Emperor under his belt.

Does it actually mention anywhere that vader became physically slower after ROTS, because until there is proof that Vader became slower (in a book or something) I am inclined to believe that Vader was physically just like Grievous.

Except with force abilities

Originally posted by zod360
Does it actually mention anywhere that vader became physically slower after ROTS, because until there is proof that Vader became slower (in a book or something) I am inclined to believe that Vader was physically just like Grievous.

Uhm yeah there is prove, ever seen the movies? You know, A new Hope, Empire strikes Back, Return of the Jedi? You should try watching them sometime.

That is not direct concrete proof. I don't need to remind you of the argument about technology do I?

That argument is illogical, the movies are the most canon in terms of star wars. Vader became slow as a machine, it's obvious.