ROTS Anakin vs. ESB Vader

Yes the movies are the highest form of canon, and by saying whta I just said, I'm not going against the movies. I am simply interpreting them differently.

Why don't you use logic. Vader was referred to as "a shell of his former self". He's more machine than man now. All of these quotes. Of course as a machine he is going to move a lot slower than he did as a human who had potential.

Originally posted by tdtd
Why don't you use logic. Vader was referred to as "a shell of his former self". He's more machine than man now. All of these quotes. Of course as a machine he is going to move a lot slower than he did as a human who had potential.

By your logic Grievous should have been as slow as ****.

Grievous had 4 arms man and he was still slower than 1 of obiwan's.

What are you talking about. Grievous was way faster then Obi Wan

Is that why Obiwan had no problems with Grievous? And Grievous was all robot, while Anakin was most machine, part man, big difference.

had they had better choreographers back then and a better athelete in the suit, and not an old man, the fight would havebeen better. That half ass excuse that GL gave was to cover his ass on why the newer fights looked better.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
had they had better choreographers back then and a better athelete in the suit, and not an old man, the fight would havebeen better. That half ass excuse that GL gave was to cover his ass on why the newer fights looked better.

Amen. I've said similar things before. The excuses just don't add up. Saying that Obi Wan was an old man and thats why he was slow was an excuse he had. Then he introduced Count Dooku who was full of flips. They just don't make sense.

You're using that choreography excuse again? Lol

Well, it doesn't make sense. To have an old crippled Obi Wan and say he can't fight because he's old. Then to have Dooku, who is older, to be flipping around all whilly-nilly. Especially considering the fact that Obi Wan has been studying the force alone for the past 20 years, and Dooku had been involved with political campaigning.

dont forget Yoda...you yourself said that getting old has nothing to do with abilities. What you learn in the force makes up for lack of physical abilities, right? Thats what you said. So the ONLY reason left, is choreography...and you know it.

not much of a competition, rots kills esb no problem, he's fater, more powerful and much more maneuverable, vader only has intelligence and experience going for him, which isn't enough to kepp him from getting owned.

Omfg.. Are you people for real? I respect your opinions but you're talking out of your asses. ROTS was POTENTIALLY more powerful, that is ALL. He could maneuver more sure, and that's why he would most likely defeat ESB Vader in a saber duel. However ESB Vader shows perfect control over the force, while having been tutored by Palpatine for 20 years, while ROTS Anakin is a whiny little kid..

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
had they had better choreographers back then and a better athelete in the suit, and not an old man, the fight would havebeen better. That half ass excuse that GL gave was to cover his ass on why the newer fights looked better.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Well, it doesn't make sense. To have an old crippled Obi Wan and say he can't fight because he's old. Then to have Dooku, who is older, to be flipping around all whilly-nilly. Especially considering the fact that Obi Wan has been studying the force alone for the past 20 years, and Dooku had been involved with political campaigning.

Good grief, GL has flip flopped so many times it makes me sick, they didnt have the imagination, creativity, know how, or technology to make the old duels as "fancy" as the new ones. so I think its completely plausible for esb vader to defeat anakin, with the force alone.

canon this GL that, excuses excuses

ESB Vader would win. He could overpower ROTS Anakin in a vicious saber duel. However, the fight would be significantly easier because Vader would use his mastery over the force to take down Anakin.

Originally posted by Darth243
Good grief, GL has flip flopped so many times it makes me sick, they didnt have the imagination, creativity, know how, or technology to make the old duels as "fancy" as the new ones. so I think its completely plausible for esb vader to defeat anakin, with the force alone.

canon this GL that, excuses excuses

In that case

Vader had a very hard time against Maul in a fight, almost died had to kill himself to win, and he could only do that because he hated himself more then anything else in the universe. ROTS Anakin is far superior to Maul, he would destroy him in a fight. And If Maul could give Vader a hard time...

Nevermind of course that, that entire story isn't canon. But those are just excuses right?

So I guess its canon too that some of the most powerful masters of the PT era got scared one of single guy with a blaster?

Your excuse does not make any sense. Its not canon therefor it is not true. Simple as that.

Lucas did say Vader is a shell of his former self but that could mean a lot of things. Lucas may not have been referring to Vader being a lesser Anakin. And watch ESB again. They don't move slow. Vader and Luke are going pretty fast.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Well, it doesn't make sense. To have an old crippled Obi Wan and say he can't fight because he's old. Then to have Dooku, who is older, to be flipping around all whilly-nilly. Especially considering the fact that Obi Wan has been studying the force alone for the past 20 years, and Dooku had been involved with political campaigning.

Flipping around all whilly-nilly??? He did one flip in the entire Star Wars. And that doesn't mean everyone can be as strong as he when they're old. I just saw a picture of an old lady going in a split, "wow, everybody must be able to do so, it makes no sense that my grandpa is lying in a hospital when he is 10 years younger than that lady".
Dooku had not been studying politics all the time, he was Sidious apprentice, he had studied the dark side. And Sidious did not have much time either still he was able to overcome the greatest jedi in the order. Obi-Wan did not studie much at all, he did not want any attention from the Empire, and he might have known that they could have sensed him. Since we don't know it's hard to say, but Obi-Wan was in exile and was hiding from the Empire AND was weaker as we saw in the movie, so it is much more likley that he didn't practise much lightsaber fighting or new froce powers.