Originally posted by snoopdogg
You think Namor wins 10/10? In water I might agree but on dry land I do not.Colossus can match his strength but he has Namor beat on durability and fighting skills.
On dry land I say 50/50.
Namor wouldn't even need to fight Colossus in the water he would just be a weight and fall to the bottom of the ocean all Namor would do is take him to a REALLY deep part let him fall and try to get his way out of a super dark hole in the ocean lol
On the ground Namor should win more often then naught however I feel ok with something like 7/10 Namor
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry to be critical. Some of your scans are no good. Such as him lifting boats under the water. He wouldn't need to lift the full weight of the boat or sub for two reasons.
1. These things already have an existing bouyant upward force in them (especially the sub)
2. It is a lot easier to lift things in water than out of water.
1. Actually, Namor has lifted things miles down from the ocean before. So not all their feats have bouyancy on them.
2. Not when you are lot under sea level. Imagine the pressure and the water he has to displace in order to lift all those things.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also the scans where namor is pushing the boats and things are not the same as lifting. F=ma . This means that even a small force can move the most massive of objects required that it has the time to accelerate.
The friction force in water is very small indeed. Note: some of your weights are also wrong (such as the freighter weighing 200,000 tons. it actually weighs closer to 5,000tons-most likely less though). But this doesn't matter anyway by the above reasons.
The tanker weighed 200,000 tons. Not the freighter.
And have you ever tried to push something that weighs far more then you while swimming? Your points would be valid if he had footing, but he actually has to use his leg muscles to overcome the weight. It's far harder to push something when you don't have any footing.
Originally posted by h1a8
The only credible scans are throwing a 50ton tank, breaking crimson bands, and knocking out the hulk, and lifting the destroyer.
Not really.
Originally posted by h1a8
But wait a minute. I believe these are PIS.
This is because if you look at those scans it shows very different looks of namor. Meaning that these events happened in many years apart. This shows the rarity of the events. To not be PIS then feats must occur more frequently than these in which they not contradict other comic feats (like namor struggling to lift something under 100tons).
No, it actually shows that his strength hasn't been lessened at all over the years, and he can perform these feats when he has the need. Which he doesn't often, since he isn't character that goes around looking for big things to lift and such. He is a monarch, and he has a kingdom to take for. It would be PIS if it happened one time.
Multiple times? No.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, Namor possesses the power of flight. This power enables him to lift things much greater than he can without it. I'm not saying that namor used any power of flight in your scans. I'm justing saying this in case you post any new scans with him flying with an object of more than 100tons. Marvel says namor strength is up to 100tons because they are referring to his unflight strength and the consistency of all the comics he is written in.
Yeah...it's just that Namor has done feats greater then up to 100 tons BEFORE and AFTER handbooks were written. His strength is not up to 100 tons, but far greater. And about none of his strength feats are helped by flight.
Namor doesn't contradict handbooks. Handbooks contradict Namor.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
You think Namor wins 10/10? In water I might agree but on dry land I do not.Colossus can match his strength but he has Namor beat on durability and fighting skills.
On dry land I say 50/50.
Durability, perhaps, strength, Colossus has never done a strength feat equal to Namor, fighting skills, I have already proven you wrong multiple times. Both Namor's fighting skills, training and fighting experience outclass Colossus so much that it isn't even funny.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Flying isn't really gonna be a advantage actually.Here he survives a drop over 1 mile high. When he landed the explsion left a crater 1/2 mile in diameter.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss2.jpgRougue uses Colossus as a batterin ram to smash a huge concrete wall. She was even pushing him straight down. Check out the crater the impact left.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandRogue2.jpg
Still say 50/50 on land.
That doesn't prove that he is more durable at all. Namor has survived FAR longer drops.
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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well I guess your right DC I can't argue with facts about Namors feats even if they contridict the very character in question, I know that I can bench 205 lbs for ten repetions but there is no way that I can bench a car, my point here is that his strength is inconsistent with his stats and Marvel need to fix it up that their characters that can only lift 85 tonnes remain in that range I can understand characters like Thor being able to lift in excess of 100+ tonnes this keeps it vague not truly giving away how much the fictional character can really lift but 85 tonnes is something different it doesn't hit the unknown barrier, I do undersatnd that in water Namor can lift in the range of 100 tonnes but I imagine if he can it's not much more than 100 tonnes being that his base total is only 85 tonnes... I need to remind you that when Namor fought Hercules who was truly in the 100+ tonne class was thrown all over the place Colossus is no longer in the 75-80 tonne range as he is in his prime as an adult.... Marvel just has some cleaning up to do, I stand firm on land Colossus would most likely win because like Snoop said his body armor is better, but in water Namor will take him no questions about it.... Oh! does anyone remember The Hulk beating up on the combined team that composed of Doc. Samson, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Hercules (immortal form), and yours truly Namor? it just goe to show that in water Namor is really tough, but on land he's just mediocre at best. Don't get mad at me though, get mad at marvel.
"Yeah...it's just that Namor has done feats greater then up to 100 tons BEFORE and AFTER handbooks were written. His strength is not up to 100 tons, but far greater. And about none of his strength feats are helped by flight.
Namor doesn't contradict handbooks. Handbooks contradict Namor. "
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
the x-men are 2nd class compared to avengers and so on, maybe collassus is beter now but i say he still isnt good enough to take on namor
X-men isn't second class team.
they have iceman, shadowcat, clossus and Wolverine. AND STORM.
These guys are definitely not second class team.
And yes Namor beats Colossus.
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
well the last time i saw iceman i was not impressed, but worler has always impressed me, i think he can fight almost anyone
Iceman is a omega mutant. He can't be killed. He can exist as water vapor. He can slow down your molecules to absolute zero.
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He's so much beyond Wolverine that it cannot be comprehended.
