In the fighting skill department Namor is better if not Extremely better than colossus. strength is about a level playing feild. Durablity i give to colossus. Speed to Namor. Manuverability namor (he moves well under water in the air and on the ground). Reflexes, Namor, the guy catches missles for crying out loud, experience goes to namor as well considering he was like the first charactor marvel ever had.
NAMOR 10/10
Originally posted by outarddwarf
In the fighting skill department Namor is better if not Extremely better than colossus. strength is about a level playing feild. Durablity i give to colossus. Speed to Namor. Manuverability namor (he moves well under water in the air and on the ground). Reflexes, Namor, the guy catches missles for crying out loud, experience goes to namor as well considering he was like the first charactor marvel ever had.NAMOR 10/10
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Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
got any proof, im not calling u a lier i just want to know
Iceman was identified as a omega mutant in the limited series X-Men: Forever
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutant
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerYou proved me wrong? Yea right. The only people you convinced are the 14 yr. olds who do not know anybetter. Like it or not Colossus has a level 4 rating in fighting. Namor has a 3. MARVEL themselves said Colossus is a better fighter. He's trained everday since he was a teenager in the highest tech training facility in Marvel with Shi'ar tech. THE DANGER ROOM!Durability, perhaps, strength, Colossus has never done a strength feat equal to Namor, fighting skills, I have already proven you wrong multiple times. Both Namor's fighting skills, training and fighting experience outclass Colossus so much that it isn't even funny.
So please prove me that Namor is a better fighter. And to say Namor outclasses him in fighting so much it isn't funny indicates that you might be considered a #*!(&^. 😄 I'll agree Namor is faster and possibly stronger. But I think Colossus is more durable and a better fighter. And I am not gonna be like you and say that Colossus is so far ahead of Namor in those areas it's not even funny. Like jrod mentioned about Juggernaut not having many strength feats but everyone knows how strong he is but neither does Colossus.
Colossus has used his fighting skills to beat guys that are stronger than him.
Im 14, and I dont think Namor would win this fight! lol
Na though, I really dont think that on land Namor would win this fight. You may scream PIS, but a younger Colossus once went toe to toe, to the peak with Gladiator. A character I find a lot stronger than Namor, any ways namor would lose, because there on land. As Namor fights and gets weaker Colossus stays strong.
Oh yea, and can someone go to the Juggernaut respcet thread, and post Juggernaut strength feats? I know about his durability feats, but I would like for somone to post his strength feats.
If this were water Namor would win, but this is Colossus at his peak.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
You proved me wrong? Yea right. The only people you convinced are the 14 yr. olds who do not know anybetter. Like it or not Colossus has a level 4 rating in fighting. Namor has a 3. MARVEL themselves said Colossus is a better fighter. He's trained everday since he was a teenager in the highest tech training facility in Marvel with Shi'ar tech. THE DANGER ROOM!So please prove me that Namor is a better fighter. And to say Namor outclasses him in fighting so much it isn't funny indicates that you might be considered a #*!(&^. 😄 I'll agree Namor is faster and possibly stronger. But I think Colossus is more durable and a better fighter. And I am not gonna be like you and say that Colossus is so far ahead of Namor in those areas it's not even funny. Like jrod mentioned about Juggernaut not having many strength feats but everyone knows how strong he is but neither does Colossus.
Colossus has used his fighting skills to beat guys that are stronger than him.
namor has great fighing skills, he went toe toe agiast thor w/hammer, and faired well, thor is a great skilled fighter. Also namor can beat people that is stonger than him as well, he beat hulk many times, and everyone knows that hulk is a top gun in marvel when it comes to strength.
Well this is the way Namor's power works. In the water he's 80 ton strength and fresh out he steadily loses power down to 50 ton level.
Now maybe like the Thing and Colossus he has gotton stronger over the years by 20 tons or so.
Colossus is a powerhouse on land and may be best suited to fight Namor even in water seeing as he hardly needs to breath. Underwater of course Namor's mobility would give him a large advantage. And on land to seeing as he can fly he would have an advantage.
However I think although Namor could win this fight 6 or 7 out of 10 that Colossus is stronger and in an endurance fight or in the case of long term multiples such as groups of 10's(fights) that Colossus wins.
Namor.
Example: Check the Namor vs Mimic fight of Exiles (shorthand Mimic has Colossus, Wolverine, Cyclops, Beast, Phoenix and Northstar's powers). Namor would have won but for PIS / deus ex machina (Mimic ultimately incinerates him by optic blasting some huge vats of flamable material in Doom's castle).
But Namor way outclassed him in raw strength and power and they both knew it.
Who hath dissed Kitty Pride? Her and Colossus were able to take on Nimrod! Also, Kitty is a great fighter. She could kill Batman easily, mostly because he couldn't hit her, and she'd just faze her fist into his head.
Anyway, Colossus is my favorite X-Man, and a top class fighter. However, Namor would take him, but it's a worthy battle for Namor.
Originally posted by jrodslam
In some of those scans the sunken ships or boats were immobile. It was Namor that got them into motion from being stationary. On you second point i agree with you. It is easier to lift things in water. However, its also easier to be pulled down in water as well, so its a balance. When lifting the destroyer, Namor held it above his head as well as swim upwards with it. If youre in water and holding a 2,000lb steel sphere, it would make you sink without a doubt.Id be inclined to agree with you on the pushing feats. The freighters were pretty much already afloat and wouldnt require much effort in moving them. The submarine wasnt afloat though and was purely sunken. Namor lifted it from the bottom and then pushed it back to the top. Those are 2 different scenarios.
DC never stated the freighter was 200,00 tons. Its the oil tanker that weighs that much. Empty tankers weigh from 120,000 tons. Tankers WITH oil weigh well over 180,000 tons.
Youre calling his feats PIS because they dont happen more frequent? They are feats. When has he struggled to lift something under 100 tons? Did he fail at it? If not then it really isnt relevant if he struggled. I dont know why they would be considered PIS when there are a few 100cl characters that dont have many lifting feats. Juggernaugt hardly has any. Thor and Hercules only have a few.
The sub was completely sunken yes but it still had some bouyant force in it. If the bouyant force is less than the sub's weight then it will completely sink.
I was going by the look of the tanker. It is clearly undersized in the picture. Look how quickly rounded the bottom is. Second, I wasn't sure wether you were posting scans to support namor vs. colosus. If you were then the rules of this forum is to not use PIS as proof.
Now spiderman is listed (in handbooks) and accepted by many to lift up to 10 tons. But on several occasions he has lifted much more than this. The most I ever seen spiderman lift (or brace) was a multistory building. The second most was probably about 40tons of metal off his back. Anyway, handbooks list stats based off the consistency of the comics. Rare events that contradict the majority of comics are not taken into account.
Handbooks may decide that these are PIS (maybe). If you take every feat a character has done then most characters would be 1 to 2 levels higher. Such as captain lifting 5tons, spiderman lifting over 100tons, etc.
Thus handbooks are a credible source for non PIS feats. The official ones are also written by the actual writers of these comics.
Originally posted by outarddwarf
In the fighting skill department Namor is better if not Extremely better than colossus. strength is about a level playing feild. Durablity i give to colossus. Speed to Namor. Manuverability namor (he moves well under water in the air and on the ground). Reflexes, Namor, the guy catches missles for crying out loud, experience goes to namor as well considering he was like the first charactor marvel ever had.NAMOR 10/10
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I'm 100% with you. Why is it that people are trying to say that Colossus is now the armor Cap in the fighting abilities.
He is a better than average fighter at best. Danger room, Wolverine, Cyclops tutoring...Blah...Blah... Blah.
Namor is superior to Colossus in all catagories.
As long as he's not out in the desert sun for hours without access to water he's 9/10 over either version of Colossus.
