Originally posted by h1a8
The sub was completely sunken yes but it still had some bouyant force in it. If the bouyant force is less than the sub's weight then it will completely sink.I was going by the look of the tanker. It is clearly undersized in the picture. Look how quickly rounded the bottom is. Second, I wasn't sure wether you were posting scans to support namor vs. colosus. If you were then the rules of this forum is to not use PIS as proof.
Now spiderman is listed (in handbooks) and accepted by many to lift up to 10 tons. But on several occasions he has lifted much more than this. The most I ever seen spiderman lift (or brace) was a multistory building. The second most was probably about 40tons of metal off his back. Anyway, handbooks list stats based off the consistency of the comics. Rare events that contradict the majority of comics are not taken into account.
Handbooks may decide that these are PIS (maybe). If you take every feat a character has done then most characters would be 1 to 2 levels higher. Such as captain lifting 5tons, spiderman lifting over 100tons, etc.
Thus handbooks are a credible source for non PIS feats. The official ones are also written by the actual writers of these comics.
Sorry....but I trust the CREATOR of the character more then some random writer who has never written Namor in his life. I also trust Stan Lee more then handbook writers too.
If you had read a bit more in this forum, you would have noticed that we prove our claims through scans, not handbooks.
And if I may ask, if Namor has lifted more then 85 tons BEFORE and AFTER then handbooks were written...where did the writers base the stats? Comics? Nope, if they had done real research, they would have seen that even his own creator (and I think they have ALL say what their characters can do and what they can't) had written him to lift waaaaay over 85 tons. My guess is that they pulled the numbers out of their asses.
Like I said, Namor doesn't contradict handbooks, handbooks contradict Namor. And it is a fact.
