Calced the TP arrows to be Mach 1, which would have to be about the speed to shoot through tornado wind speeds. No why did Link actually shoot the Sun though.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not with Link's combat speed. uhuhWe have to be thinking of completely different buildings.
Can't find the second pic, but Riku's (1.84m)height was used to get that 3m.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The power to cut buildings come from reality shifts, which are only possible because of the environment being a dream. So yeah, he gets dream strength.
The groundshaker could have recoiled from being stabbed in the foot. Think, stepping on a lego. Where did he move that fast? Tge fastest I remember him going was the multi laser blocking, and you could still follow his movement if you paid attention.
Sora did not stab the rock monsters foot, they collided. All the while G.S was still pushing down on Sora and failed.
1 comes from bullet and laser blocking and attacking the Hydra. 3 comes from his slash speed against several building blocks at once. 5-15 comes from the Sephiroth battle, and thats his calced KH speed.
And if lightning wants to be used:
YouTube video
0:55 Have at thee awesome
Can't find the second pic, but Riku's (1.84m)height was used to get that 3m.
Calced the TP arrows to be Mach 1, which would have to be about the speed to shoot through tornado wind speeds. No why did Link actually shoot the Sun though.
Show calcs. This is a pretty complicated thing to measure, particularly the Tornado.Tornado was on the spot. One like that would have 100+mph wind speed, to shoot through the oncoming part of it with enough speed to still be dangerous, arrow should be approaching transonic.
Using a ruler (cause screw accuracy 😛) the height is 6cm with the ladder segment being 0.6cm. When Link's up there he's 5.3cm with each ladder step being 1cm. If Link is 1.8m each step is 0.34m, and there are 28 steps so 9.52m. Making the total height 95.2m.
sqrt(96m^2+95.2m^2) = The distance the arrow travels = 135.2m
Takes IIRC 0.35 seconds = 386.3m/s
I'd really like to see the other image because this one seems to assume he's over 9 feet tall.No he's not 3m tall >< that lines size is uses his height to get a figure. Couldnt find the Riku part so did it again with Sora:
In game Sora is 0.8x Sephiroths heigh, who's stated to be 2m tall making Sora 1.6m
Pic1) 4.2cm = 1.6m, so 12.8cm = 4.88m
Pic2) 4.7cm = 4.88m, so 15.2cm = 15.78m, making the width and depth.
As seen the height is double the width, = 31.56m
15.78*15.78*31.56 = 7,858.7051m^3
With a density of 2,000kg/m^3, a weak rock like bricks, we get 1.57e7 kg or 17k tons.
Rushed so catch any errors :T
Tornado was on the spot. One like that would have 100+mph wind speed, to shoot through the oncoming part of it with enough speed to still be dangerous, arrow should be approaching transonic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v63GxkQSzCI&t=10m33s
Cyclos is a pissed off god of cyclones, his storm tosses Link across the great sea, I think you might be lowballing the power of the storm a bit. 😛
Nothing 100% for the TP arrow, but the it takes Link about 24 seconds to cover the longest distance to the base of the mountain. With est 4m/s jogging speed this would be 96m.
As for the images, I will be honest, I have a hard time actually seeing what's going on in them. Are the black rectangles the buildings?
With a density of 2,000kg/m^3, a weak rock like bricks,
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
How did you get to that conclusion, whar be teh numbers? Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v63GxkQSzCI&t=10m33s
Cyclos is a pissed off god of cyclones, his storm tosses Link across the great sea, I think you might be lowballing the power of the storm a bit. 😛
In TP I'm referring more to the arrows that pierce the gem in Fyrus' forehead.
Ohh riiiight. Well, donno, but could work it out some time.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
As for the images, I will be honest, I have a hard time actually seeing what's going on in them. Are the black rectangles the buildings?Well, most buildings are hollow, and contain, y'know, rooms. 😛 Though IIRC the buildings in question were randomly filled with light or something.
These ones don't, 100% solid as seen when they break apart 😛
The cyclones being discussed on the wiki are tropical storms and hurricanes.
I was fine with the cyclone being a tornado, lol. Regardless it throws Link and the KoRL across the great sea, it's a might stronger than a water spout. 😛 Also, share the numbers you used to arrive at your conclusion, plz.
Video of this? I'm fairly certain I remember seeing it and the buildings were full of light or something.
Around 2:00 you see Sora slashing 'em up. They be solid lad.
Shit this is rough but oh well lets see what happens.. Right, wiki says that diamonds can take up to 10 MPa aka 1e7 Pa. A google search found a blade edge to be avg 0.001m, so 1e-6m^2 for an arrow tip (why the **** not?) with the weight of an avg arrow being 0.03kg.No clue if its right but dun care, just cause it got close to my supersonic claim 😛Pa * m^2 = Newtons
1e7 * 1e-6 = 10 N that the arrows producing (sounds tiny..)N / mass = acceleration
10 / 0.03 = 333.333 m/s^2
K, I'm a little drunk but I checked BR's numbers.
Shit this is rough but oh well lets see what happens.. Right, wiki says that diamonds can take up to 10 MPa aka 1e7 Pa. A google search found a blade edge to be avg 0.001m, so 1e-6m^2 for an arrow tip (why the **** not?) with the weight of an avg arrow being 0.03kg.Pa * m^2 = Newtons
1e7 * 1e-6 = 10 N that the arrows producing (sounds tiny..)N / mass = acceleration
10 / 0.03 = 333.333 m/s^2
All right, time for me to get picky with the nits, let us commence. 😛
The first thing I'm gonna do is double check your numbers.
Pa x m^2 = N, where m^2 = square meters. You gave me 0.001 for that so...
10 000 000 Pa x 0.001 = 10 000 N. Adding an extra 0 after the decimal still gives us 1000 N. I'm not certain how you got 10 with Pa x m^2 = N.
That's more than 10. 😛
N/ mass = acceleration.
10 000 / 0.03 = 333333.33333333333333333333333333 m/s^2
Extra 0 added to m^2 = 0.0001
1000 / 0.03 = 33333.333333333333333333333333333 m/s^2
Mach 980 and 98 respectively. BUT FEAR NOT, I shall bring this down lower with FACTS!
1. Link's arrows are not typical. They have very large, broad heads.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/images/articles/Hero's_Bow_(Twilight_Princess).png
See? They'd be heavier than a sporting arrow, much heavier, requiring less speed to achieve the same force. Eyeballing that image the head of one of those arrows is about 1/9.7rd (shut up, I can mix decimals with fractions when what I'm saying is easily deciphered!) the length of the bow when it's drawn. Problem: No idea how big the bow actually is since the only time we see it off of Link's person is when he gets it, and chest gets do not show relative size. Assuming 62 cm, because 2 feet is 61.9 and I'm lazy, arrow head, counting only the wedge and not the neck where it attaches to the shaft, is 6.2 cm long, and 2.3 cm wide. Rectangular cross section with triangular point, math as prism, divide by 2. 32cm^3, 257 grams total mass for the point of the arrow. 0.257
10 000 / 0.257 = 38840.3, mach 114
1 000 / 0.257 = 3884.03, mach 11.4
I believe what happened for him to get 10 N, which does indeed seem tiny, is that he put a decimal in the wrong place by accident at some point.
Anyway, I do not endorse these numbers as fully accurate, lol. I'm not going to claim Link's arrows are mach 980, or even 98.
Mach 11 is suspiciously escape velocity, which I've supported OoT Link's arrows as being in the past. I'm thinking about PMing a larger version of this post to BR.
Now, BR, can you please show me your Tornado math? >=C
You gave me 0.001 for that so (...) he put a decimal in the wrong place by accident at some point.Just because I've done that mistake.. several times before 🙁 but yeah, 0.001m is the edge thickness, 0.000001m^2 is the area.
Now, BR, can you please show me your Tornado math? >=C
Brah, what part of on the spot dont you get ahah It was basically just addition; Take the wind speed its throwing and add basic arrow speed. Tornadoes hit 100-300mph, arrows 150-200mph. With no other info given to us, the arrow range would be at least 250-500mph.
Soo... If a diamond can take up to 10 MPa then, well, yeah. The trouble with this, and the reason I stopped doing this kind of math with blades is that, this is probably inaccurately high, for a number of reasons. It results in disproportionately high numbers because we are measuring pure parallel force and resistance in a vaccuum that doesn't account for impulse, shearing, or perpendicular forces. Hence, when I plug your small arrow tip I get mach 114. If I plugged the actual size of Link's arrow head in it would require, purely by these numbers, a retardedly high speed to achieve what the arrows do. Even my pinpoint 0.0001 yields high numbers.The same reason I stopped with Pascals a week after using them.. does 'Sun core Kain' ring any bells? That would be more for penetration (**** more maths..), in this case its not really going into the gem. This all gets too complicated too quickly, especially for a rough calc 😛Newtonian D = A/B for projectile penetration proves that the entire front of the projectile must be accounted for, not just the tip, because all of it pushes aside material during penetration. D = A/B deals with projectiles penetrating material less dense than themselves, but the principle it's based on holds, the entire front needs to be accounted for. Diamond is more dense than steel so we need to resort to quick dirty math like what we're doing now, but we need to make some adjustments, I think, because a 2cm wide arrowhead would result in complete lulz.
But yes, I'll be remembering this part for the future. Could be useful if it ever comes up (unlikely but hey).
1/9.7rd
Originally posted by BloodRain
Just because I've done that mistake.. several times before 🙁 but yeah, 0.001m is the edge thickness, 0.000001m^2 is the area.Brah, what part of on the spot dont you get ahah It was basically just addition; Take the wind speed its throwing and add basic arrow speed. Tornadoes hit 100-300mph, arrows 150-200mph. With no other info given to us, the arrow range would be at least 250-500mph.
The same reason I stopped with Pascals a week after using them.. does 'Sun core Kain' ring any bells? That would be more for penetration (**** more maths..), in this case its not really going into the gem. This all gets too complicated too quickly, especially for a rough calc 😛
But yes, I'll be remembering this part for the future. Could be useful if it ever comes up (unlikely but hey).
Lol'd, though how surprising you could do this after drinking.. is it like your fuel or something? o.O
Also, my response to that is that arrows are designed inherently to create a lot of drag with their flights, being relatively light and having large surface area they're at a special kind of disadvantage against powerful winds.
But yeah, pascals and pressure measurements can easily get out of hand because of the multiplicative properties decimals have on such things. Also, yargh, suncoreKain.
Nothing really to add here, you posted what I sent so hey.
FTR, as I typed '1/9.7rd', I thought to myself. "Am I really in the condition to be doing math...?"
Originally posted by AuraAngel
My reaction to all this math.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It happens. I hate switching between notations and in numbers with fewer than 11 0's I just use the whole number for simplicity's sake. Meh.Also, my response to that is that arrows are designed inherently to create a lot of drag with their flights, being relatively light and having large surface area they're at a special kind of disadvantage against powerful winds.
But yeah, pascals and pressure measurements can easily get out of hand because of the multiplicative properties decimals have on such things. Also, yargh, suncoreKain.
Nothing really to add here, you posted what I sent so hey.
FTR, as I typed '1/9.7rd', I thought to myself. "Am I really in the condition to be doing math...?"
Think that started off BT's meltdown. Like the massive power claim overcharged him to busting.. still feel a tad responsible.
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