Mid-air slashes is body rotation not movement. Quick Run is hovering, Glide hasnt shown to have those speed,[you don't see Peter Pan moving that fast] not that he shows anything other then base skills in his reaction commands. And Brave Shot.. not sure how that relates to this..
Theres also Sora's strength combined with attacking with 2-4 keyblades.
Magnet could be useful too.
Mid air slashes while the body inexplicably moves forward.
Yes, but hovering is still mid air, is it not?
Glide doesn't have to show the speed. It just proves the point that he can, in fact, move in mid air. Brave Shot is a mid air thrust that propels Sora forward.
Of course we're kind of over looking the most important part. The reaction command itself contradicts calling it a teleport. It looks nothing like it at all. And even shows Sora moving in the direction he goes before we can't see him, and he disappears by turning into lines ala DBZ.
4 Keyblades is not something done to my knowledge. Though if it's from BBS don't tell me about it. Don't even answer if it is, am actually trying to avoid spoilers on that one. 2 Keyblades I'll give you.
Strength however, not so much. From my memory the skyscraper feat takes place in something very similar to zero gravity. In an area where Sora can even jump infinitely.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
4 Keyblades is not something done to my knowledge. Though if it's from BBS don't tell me about it. Don't even answer if it is, am actually trying to avoid spoilers on that one. 2 Keyblades I'll give you.Strength however, not so much. From my memory the skyscraper feat takes place in something very similar to zero gravity. In an area where Sora can even jump infinitely.
Sora can take Roxas's keyblades when he fights him in the Final Mix, giving him 3. I suppose if he did that it valor form or something similar, he could wield 4.
There is still gravity to an extent. And the feat of cutting through the buildings is still valid, as it is in a different place.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sora's a better hero than Link. stoned
Better character yeah. And I suppose he has saved more people, so he has teh points for heroics.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Mid air slashes while the body inexplicably moves forward.Yes, but hovering is still mid air, is it not?
Glide doesn't have to show the speed. It just proves the point that he can, in fact, move in mid air. Brave Shot is a mid air thrust that propels Sora forward.
Of course we're kind of over looking the most important part. The reaction command itself contradicts calling it a teleport. It looks nothing like it at all. And even shows Sora moving in the direction he goes before we can't see him, and he disappears by turning into lines ala DBZ.
4 Keyblades is not something done to my knowledge. Though if it's from BBS don't tell me about it. Don't even answer if it is, am actually trying to avoid spoilers on that one. 2 Keyblades I'll give you.
Strength however, not so much. From my memory the skyscraper feat takes place in something very similar to zero gravity. In an area where Sora can even jump infinitely.
Cant be compared to the scene in question.
Wouldnt be classed as the same thing as its an inch off the ground.
But only in a passive way, not like the aggressive way where his stance doesnt even change.
IIRC he doesnt move in the direction, only becomes blurred before vanishing. Have seen other games/animes where the character turns to lines when porting. Just the chosen art style.
Covered above. Shows that he has the ability to wield more then two, and as he's able to summon another Keyblade he could just summon another the same way he does the first two.
Hitting something with force is still applied, that more applies to if he was lifting it. Sora can best the Groundshaker's stomp in the form of a lion cub with the Keyblade in his mouth 😐 A rhino/beast thats 200ft at the shoulder made partly of rock and earth.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Cant be compared to the scene in question.
Wouldnt be classed as the same thing as its an inch off the ground.
But only in a passive way, not like the aggressive way where his stance doesnt even change.IIRC he doesnt move in the direction, only becomes blurred before vanishing. Have seen other games/animes where the character turns to lines when porting. Just the chosen art style.
Covered above. Shows that he has the ability to wield more then two, and as he's able to summon another Keyblade he could just summon another the same way he does the first two.
Hitting something with force is still applied, that more applies to if he was lifting it. Sora can best the Groundshaker's stomp in the form of a lion cub with the Keyblade in his mouth 😐 A rhino/beast thats 200ft at the shoulder made partly of rock and earth.
Doesn't have to compare.
An inch or a mile is mid air. Unless by mid air you mean literally halfway in the atmosphere. But based on what we're talking about that isn't what you mean.
Aggressive must be defined. Moving into a better attacking position sounds aggressive to me. It also sounds like what he did for the Warp Snipe reaction command. I might also point out how Roxas was capable of using Reversal to propel himself forward in his boss fight. That nobody was pretty cool.
You recall incorrectly. I just watched it yesterday. And I made sure to do it several times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. I'll get to Break at some other point. I can name that as well, as DBZ falls into that same category with Goku's instant transmission. An art style choice it may be, but Sora moves.
Except that he's never displayed the ability to call more than two of his own power. The only reason he can wield three is because he took them from Roxas. And the only reason he can wield two is because he relies on extra power from his clothing, the drive forms.
Not as impressive as you think. But still pretty good. Am about to get to that fight as well, just have to revisit Agrabah.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Doesn't have to compare.An inch or a mile is mid air. Unless by mid air you mean literally halfway in the atmosphere. But based on what we're talking about that isn't what you mean.
Aggressive must be defined. Moving into a better attacking position sounds aggressive to me. It also sounds like what he did for the Warp Snipe reaction command. I might also point out how Roxas was capable of using Reversal to propel himself forward in his boss fight. That nobody was pretty cool.
You recall incorrectly. I just watched it yesterday. And I made sure to do it several times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. I'll get to Break at some other point. I can name that as well, as DBZ falls into that same category with Goku's instant transmission. An art style choice it may be, but Sora moves.
Except that he's never displayed the ability to call more than two of his own power. The only reason he can wield three is because he took them from Roxas. And the only reason he can wield two is because he relies on extra power from his clothing, the drive forms.
Not as impressive as you think. But still pretty good. Am about to get to that fight as well, just have to revisit Agrabah.
Then it has no meaning.
Wisdom's hovering is limited to that height and cant ascend. Its basically the same as his running.
Fast, rapid etc. Thats not how he glides. Reversals the closest thing but its only an aerial dodge.
Saw it now and there are only horizontal lines. I dont see anything besides how they make it look.
Maybe not shown directly but being able to hold more then two shows hes capable. The same way in that if youre able to hold two keyblades [say if ones not your own] you can summon another a second. 1. When you first get Drive's Goofy's standing there when Sora's in Valor. 2. Drives are Sora's inner powers. 3. "Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has [spoiler]." Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Ultimania
The weight on him is more then the Pillar's weight. He's basically catching the Pillar Link threw in the game... as a cub... with his teeth. Mebbeh you'll see again when you get there. [Note that thing would weigh about 40,000 tons if it was only made of flesh, not partly rock.]
Originally posted by BloodRain
Then it has no meaning.
Wisdom's hovering is limited to that height and cant ascend. Its basically the same as his running.
Fast, rapid etc. Thats not how he glides. Reversals the closest thing but its only an aerial dodge.
1. Other than the fact that it proves Sora can move in mid air? You are correct.
2. Which has no relevance to the point that it proves.
3. An aerial dodge where he propels himself forward in mid air. Kind of like he does when he glides. Sounding like this is an ability Sora has for some reason or other. Hmm...
Originally posted by BloodRain
Saw it now and there are only horizontal lines. I dont see anything besides how they make it look.
Play the game. I'll be looking at it again soon. Possibly later today.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Maybe not shown directly but being able to hold more then two shows hes capable. The same way in that if youre able to hold two keyblades [say if ones not your own] you can summon another a second. 1. When you first get Drive's Goofy's standing there when Sora's in Valor. 2. Drives are Sora's inner powers. 3. "Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has [spoiler]." Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Ultimania
Capable to hold, not so summon readily. So if Roxas is around and he wants to toss Sora a few keys or fight them for him, go for it. Seems like it'd be more of a hamper to the challenge of Link though.
1. An optional instance. It cannot be said that it is cannon to enter a drive form and enter a cut scene to see Donald and Goofy. As it stands, Goofy and Donald are required for drive forms.
2. No, they are the powers of the clothes, or at the very least Sora's inner powers brought out with the help of his friends and his close that were stated by the same fairies that made them to have special powers. They said this right before they gave him the Valor form.
3. Gonna ignore that one for now.
Originally posted by BloodRain
The weight on him is more then the Pillar's weight. He's basically catching the Pillar Link threw in the game... as a cub... with his teeth. Mebbeh you'll see again when you get there. [Note that thing would weigh about 40,000 tons if it was only made of flesh, not partly rock.]
Same size of rock, maybe. But it's just one leg, not necessarily made of the same type of rock.
How in the ****ing hell do you do your math? a 200 foot creature weighs 40,000 tons when made of flesh. But something as massive as the same creatures leg made of a very dense rock weighs much less?
Unless I'm mixing you up with someone else.
But I believe I'll apply the same logic that was applied to Dangoro. Not rock, it's flesh due to the fact that it moves. It's also a Heartless, not necessarily made of anything but concentrated Darkness. What Heartless are made of I am not sure.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1. Other than the fact that it proves Sora can move in mid air? You are correct.
2. Which has no relevance to the point that it proves.
3. An aerial dodge where he propels himself forward in mid air. Kind of like he does when he glides. Sounding like this is an ability Sora has for some reason or other. Hmm...
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Play the game. I'll be looking at it again soon. Possibly later today.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Capable to hold, not so summon readily. So if Roxas is around and he wants to toss Sora a few keys or fight them for him, go for it. Seems like it'd be more of a hamper to the challenge of Link though.1. An optional instance. It cannot be said that it is cannon to enter a drive form and enter a cut scene to see Donald and Goofy. As it stands, Goofy and Donald are required for drive forms.
2. No, they are the powers of the clothes, or at the very least Sora's inner powers brought out with the help of his friends and his close that were stated by the same fairies that made them to have special powers. They said this right before they gave him the Valor form.
3. Gonna ignore that one for now.
"An image of you using the Keyblade as you once did flows into your mind.''
"An image of you utilizing your strength/magic to its fullest flows into your mind."
"An image of you possessing all abilities flows into your mind."
"An image of you overcome by the power of darkness flows into your mind."
"An image of the Keyblade unleashing its ultimate power flows into your mind."
^Yen Sid's mirror. Theres a reason you only get Final form after merging with Roxas or how Anti form was officially formed when he became a heartless. Theyre his own powers.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Same size of rock, maybe. But it's just one leg, not necessarily made of the same type of rock.How in the ****ing hell do you do your math? a 200 foot creature weighs 40,000 tons when made of flesh. But something as massive as the same creatures leg made of a very dense rock weighs much less?
Unless I'm mixing you up with someone else.
But I believe I'll apply the same logic that was applied to Dangoro. Not rock, it's flesh due to the fact that it moves. It's also a Heartless, not necessarily made of anything but concentrated Darkness. What Heartless are made of I am not sure.
Yes just one leg, add on the rest of the body above it forcing it down.
Tbh that was a guess as I couldnt find my numbers last night.. Not that hard to see why, is it? The 60m beast only has to be 150x the volume of the 15/3m pillar to weigh as much as I suggested. (Assuming you meant that) The leg alone is twice the size of that pillar..
Except for the earthy sections the rest is flesh. Heartless, especially Emblem Heartless take more natural forms. Or we can just assume the density of heartless but that can give us anything from ash to diamond... think its best to keep it as what its closest too.
As I lack the numbers Ill do a rough one now. GShakers size: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOcR9dwF9L0#t=2m11s <- When the pair are standing by its toe. If Simba is 1.2m at the shoulder the toe is 5x taller then that, 6m. GShaker at the shoulder is over 10x the toe height, 60m tall. Thats equal to its width and length is 4/3 the height at 80m.
A tough built animal, a Rhino; 1m wide, 1.5m tall and 3.5m long. Shaker is 60x, 40x and 23x respectively. That's 55,200x the weight of a 1 ton Rhino. The min amount of rock used for Gorons was 1/3 - 1/4 so ill use 1/5 of compact earth here.. 1/5 of 55,200 is 11040*density of 2 = 22,080 add back to the rest of the body leaves us with 66,240 tons. But Id rather keep it at 40,000 just in case. Even 2% of this weight being stomped on Sora would be more then the pillar throw.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
?I was under the impression it was due to Xion, not anything from Birth By Sleep. Oh wells.
Spoiler:
Ven's heart went into Sora so he can use Synch Blade, so he could always do it until Roxas was 'born' in KH who had Vens Keyblade aswell as Sora's/his own. When Xion was made she got the power of Ven's Key from Roxas. So when they joint together Roxas got the Synch Blde unlocked. Then Sora did when he fused with Roxas.
Originally posted by BloodRain
None of these move or act in the same way as the scene.
Which has no relevance on the point that they prove.
Originally posted by BloodRain
In fact the Break command has him becoming vertical lines. It even makes that common sound when he does either.
Technically he's vertical lines in both, assuming I remember Break correctly. He's just horizontal on his own for Warp Snipe. I will also point out that the Warp Snipe command has him stopping himself in mid air, as though he were moving with momentum. He does something similar when he starts the command, only he launches himself off.
I also did look at it again last night. And in fact, you can see the lines as they move. The Nobodies that fire the bullets also move in the same way.
Originally posted by BloodRain
The only people who can hold two keyblades are the ones who can summon another. Dont see why that cant extend to more.
Optional?
YouTube video
2:10 And they say nothing about using partners to fuel it, only a gameplay mechanic. [getting rid of the knight to gain strength, or rid of the wizard to gain magic.]
That sounds pretty stupid if you ask me. It's giving a pretty big ability. "Well, he can summon two. So why not a third? Or a fourth? Hell, maybe even five, six, seven, eight, hell, let's just give them a thousand!"
Cool. You've proved it for Valor.
Originally posted by BloodRain
"An image of you using the Keyblade as you once did flows into your mind.''
"An image of you utilizing your strength/magic to its fullest flows into your mind."
"An image of you possessing all abilities flows into your mind."
"An image of you overcome by the power of darkness flows into your mind."
"An image of the Keyblade unleashing its ultimate power flows into your mind."
^Yen Sid's mirror. Theres a reason you only get Final form after merging with Roxas or how Anti form was officially formed when he became a heartless. Theyre his own powers.
No, they are not his powers. First off, the fairies themselves state that they give him the Valor form, right before he gets the Valor form. I believe that Wisdom just happens naturally. If not I don't remember how it happened.
King Mickey states, right before Sora, Donald and Goofy return to Space Paranoids to tell Tron the password to the Dataspace, that he will give Sora's clothes some new powers. This instance leads to the Master Form. Final Form, sure, maybe. But I was pretty sure that Roxas rejoined Sora a hell of a lot sooner than The World That Never Was.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Yes just one leg, add on the rest of the body above it forcing it down.
That'd work, if it wasn't quadrupedal.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Tbh that was a guess as I couldnt find my numbers last night.. Not that hard to see why, is it? The 60m beast only has to be 150x the volume of the 15/3m pillar to weigh as much as I suggested. (Assuming you meant that) The leg alone is twice the size of that pillar..
Yeah actually, it is. 40,000 tons, and a creature the size of Dangoro being made of rock, you have not weighing 200 tons. The gap between there is a hell of a lot larger than what I see an extra 185 feet adding.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Except for the earthy sections the rest is flesh. Heartless, especially Emblem Heartless take more natural forms. Or we can just assume the density of heartless but that can give us anything from ash to diamond... think its best to keep it as what its closest too.
I don't remember what I was talking about here.
Originally posted by BloodRain
As I lack the numbers Ill do a rough one now. GShakers size: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOcR9dwF9L0#t=2m11s <- When the pair are standing by its toe. If Simba is 1.2m at the shoulder the toe is 5x taller then that, 6m. GShaker at the shoulder is over 10x the toe height, 60m tall. Thats equal to its width and length is 4/3 the height at 80m.A tough built animal, a Rhino; 1m wide, 1.5m tall and 3.5m long. Shaker is 60x, 40x and 23x respectively. That's 55,200x the weight of a 1 ton Rhino. The min amount of rock used for Gorons was 1/3 - 1/4 so ill use 1/5 of compact earth here.. 1/5 of 55,200 is 11040*density of 2 = 22,080 add back to the rest of the body leaves us with 66,240 tons. But Id rather keep it at 40,000 just in case. Even 2% of this weight being stomped on Sora would be more then the pillar throw.
Will look into crap later. I really don't feel like talking about math right now. Will quote this when I do.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Which has no relevance on the point that they prove.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Technically he's vertical lines in both, assuming I remember Break correctly. He's just horizontal on his own for Warp Snipe. I will also point out that the Warp Snipe command has him stopping himself in mid air, as though he were moving with momentum. He does something similar when he starts the command, only he launches himself off.
I also did look at it again last night. And in fact, you can see the lines as they move. The Nobodies that fire the bullets also move in the same way.[/B][/QUOTE]
Odd because Id take the stopping as the way any teleporter would. On that moving thing, on the Warp snipe the blur doesnt even go in the direction of the projectile. The animations is the same as the Snipers. Another reason against it being movement is that on the Break command we see through Xigbar's eyes. If he wasn't able to track Sora's speed then he would of been blitz easily.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That sounds pretty stupid if you ask me. It's giving a pretty big ability. "Well, he can summon two. So why not a third? Or a fourth? Hell, maybe even five, six, seven, eight, hell, let's just give them a thousand!"
O.o
..anyway. he's shown to wield more then two and has shown to be able to use both hands and/or have two behind him. How is it a big thing? If you dont want to believe it then I'll just leave it at two~
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Cool. You've proved it for Valor.No, they are not his powers. First off, the fairies themselves state that they give him the Valor form, right before he gets the Valor form. I believe that Wisdom just happens naturally. If not I don't remember how it happened.
King Mickey states, right before Sora, Donald and Goofy return to Space Paranoids to tell Tron the password to the Dataspace, that he will give Sora's clothes some new powers. This instance leads to the Master Form. Final Form, sure, maybe. But I was pretty sure that Roxas rejoined Sora a hell of a lot sooner than The World That Never Was.
Doesnt dispute Yensid's mirror. Especially ''you utilizing your strength to its fullest'' Clothes just allows him tap into it.
Urm yeah they were linked when Sora woke up but was only 100% after their encounter.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That'd work, if it wasn't quadrupedal.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah actually, it is. 40,000 tons, and a creature the size of Dangoro being made of rock, you have not weighing 200 tons. The gap between there is a hell of a lot larger than what I see an extra 185 feet adding.
Or theres using Magnet to hold&hurt Link in mid-air the do whatever he wants there after.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Only that he has some areal movement, but nothing even close to what needed.
At least you've admitted that Sora doesn't need to be on the ground to move. The rest of it comes with the scene we've been talking about.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Odd because Id take the stopping as the way any teleporter would. On that moving thing, on the Warp snipe the blur doesnt even go in the direction of the projectile. The animations is the same as the Snipers. Another reason against it being movement is that on the Break command we see through Xigbar's eyes. If he wasn't able to track Sora's speed then he would of been blitz easily.
In what way does a teleport have momentum that must be halted?
The blur that is Sora does not have to follow the same direction anyway. For one, the bullets stop at certain points. For two, he's pretty damn fast.
He was blitzed easily...
Originally posted by BloodRain
O.o
..anyway. he's shown to wield more then two and has shown to be able to use both hands and/or have two behind him. How is it a big thing? If you dont want to believe it then I'll just leave it at two~
It isn't that I don't want to believe it. It is that it's a dumb idea. He can wield three, we've seen him do it. He can summon two of his own, we've seen him do it. Summon three of his own? Has not been stated, seen, or even hinted at as an ability Sora is capable of.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Proving it for Valor proves it for Drive forms in general. Nothing more to gain now that we agree ha can use Drives solo.
Hardly. For Wisdom form though in addition, perhaps.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Doesnt dispute Yensid's mirror. Especially ''[b]you utilizing your strength to its fullest'' Clothes just allows him tap into it.[/B]
Actually it kind of does. Since they were given to him and are used via his magical clothes. Contradictions are pretty common in KH. The more I play the game the more I find.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Urm yeah they were linked when Sora woke up but was only 100% after their encounter.
K.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Theres still some body weight applied to it.
If I recall it's appearance correctly, this creature has four legs, but it's legs are not directly under the belly. They are shaped slightly more like a spider, stretching outwards from the side before bending and then going straight down to the ground. This configuration would actually put the body weight under the body, leaving hardly any of it on the legs. Kinda makes sense, because that midsection probably weighs a lot less, with most of it being something like soil for the plants on it's back to grow.
This is all from memory though. I could be off.
Originally posted by BloodRain
GShaker's weight if it was 3m tall using the exact same method; 7 tons 😐 thats the same as a 3m tall elephant with some rocks on it. In other words it checks out just fine.
15ft cubed is 3,375 ft3, 200ft cubed is 8,000,000 ft3.. thats a larger difference then the weight..
(Btw for Dangoro to weigh 200 tons he'd have to be 100% solid and twice as dense as granite .__.)
I still think that there has to be some problem with your math. But I'm just going to drop all math talk. I hate the crap and I promise I'll get to it later.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Or theres using Magnet to hold&hurt Link in mid-air the do whatever he wants there after.
Hasn't restrained something as strong as Link would possibly be, depending on the Link to be used. So while it may draw him somewhere, it will not stop him from moving arms and legs.