Sora(Kingdom Hearts) vs Link(Legend of Zelda)

I don't see the correlation, and I ask what the difference was. xD

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
At least you've admitted that Sora doesn't need to be on the ground to move. The rest of it comes with the scene we've been talking about.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
In what way does a teleport have momentum that must be halted?

The blur that is Sora does not have to follow the same direction anyway. For one, the bullets stop at certain points. For two, he's pretty damn fast.

He was blitzed easily...

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It isn't that I don't want to believe it. It is that it's a dumb idea. He can wield three, we've seen him do it. He can summon two of his own, we've seen him do it. Summon three of his own? Has not been stated, seen, or even hinted at as an ability Sora is capable of.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Hardly. For Wisdom form though in addition, perhaps.

Actually it kind of does. Since they were given to him and are used via his magical clothes. Contradictions are pretty common in KH. The more I play the game the more I find.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If I recall it's appearance correctly, this creature has four legs, but it's legs are not directly under the belly. They are shaped slightly more like a spider, stretching outwards from the side before bending and then going straight down to the ground. This configuration would actually put the body weight under the body, leaving hardly any of it on the legs. Kinda makes sense, because that midsection probably weighs a lot less, with most of it being something like soil for the plants on it's back to grow.

This is all from memory though. I could be off.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I still think that there has to be some problem with your math. But I'm just going to drop all math talk. I hate the crap and I promise I'll get to it later.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Hasn't restrained something as strong as Link would possibly be, depending on the Link to be used. So while it may draw him somewhere, it will not stop him from moving arms and legs.

Anything Magnega has ever worked on is too weak to move limbs while under it's effect, making them not dangerous and stationary.

Link can move his limbs. He's still dangerous, but also still stationary. So Magnega is pretty useless outside of it suspending Link in the air.

If all Link can do is flail his arms around then Sora could just turn him around so he can't see what Sora's doing, then Sora can just... smack him around with his sword or something. 😐

Approaching someone with full limb movement is the same as approaching someone on the ground. Except he's in the air. Though as an interesting idea, Iron Boots > Magnega.

Well except that you can't turn around in midair. Nor do you have any form of grip or ancorage, so the first blow'll probably send you cartwheeling through the air like one of those awesome fireworks.

Without his footing his hits will lack strength. Will have trouble facing him if Sora's at his back.

Hover Boots provide footing in mid air if it helps.

I missed Rain's earlier post. Will get to it tomorrow. Gonna sleep first.

But for the smaller posts thus far, you still don't need to turn around to get your full 360 area. Iron Boots > Magnega. Hover boots > as well, as Scenario pointed out.

He'll have to put them on though. Will he be able to?

Link possesses the formidable ability to put shoes on without so much as moving a muscle boy.

>: o

Originally posted by BloodRain
Already admitted that with Glide at the start. But nothing compares.

It kinda does. But it doesn't have to anyway.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Didnt say the momentum is halted, but the movement is familiar to how Nightcrawler appears.
So he's going to go left, left, left instead of right? Anyway its the same animation as the Snipers warping.
He was never blitzed. Throughout his match he moves faster then most Organization members.

Except Nightcrawler is a stated and shown teleporter. Sora has not been stated to have this ability, and it doesn't even look like a teleport.

Yes. Though it's not always that elaborate and unnecessary. And there may even be such a movement where he does follow the path of the bullet. All it seems to me from activating the reaction command is that where he goes is random.

Though, in the cases where he follows the projectile, he's not faster than the bullets, or than he can even hit them. So, based on that, even if this were a teleport, it's pretty useless.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So far every character that has been able to hold a number of Keyblades has been able to use them. Eg Xion only held one and can only summon one. Riku has held two and can summon two. He wouldn't be able to use 3 otherwise.

So it's a coincidence he's never held three keyblades without stealing them?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Anatomy is pretty accurate but there would still be somebody weight from the shoulder and upper body, especially as its not just walking but stomping with intent to crush. There'd be the weight and the force its applying on him. Soil and earth [1.5 - 2x] are denser then bodies. [1x]

I was incorrect about the spider type legs. However, it's description in Jiminy's Journal was interesting. It tells that the creature is mostly bone, and it does definitely look like that. It's rib cage is even exposed at the bottom, while the legs appear to be pieces of variously sized bone.

And I've seen him fight back the leg. There is very minimal weight. Sora overpowered one leg in mid air, which kind of craps on physics outside of Sora's strange ability to stand on air, but it's a lot less impressive that fighting off the whole thing's weight.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Fist part makes it sound like you want there to be a problem with it. Sure whenever you want.

The numbers you come up with just don't make any sense to me.

Originally posted by BloodRain
[OoT, is the strongest with most quantifiable feats] How would strength be a factor? Still weighs the same amount, he'd be lifted and have pain inflicted on him all the while. Then Sora can spam him with magic or superior aerial attacks.

As mentioned before, all the Heartless are not strong enough to move limbs while suspended by the spell. All it really does is put Link in mid air.

Iron Boots, Hover Boots > Magnega.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It kinda does. But it doesn't have to anyway.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Except Nightcrawler is a stated and shown teleporter. Sora has not been stated to have this ability, and it doesn't even look like a teleport.

Yes. Though it's not always that elaborate and unnecessary. And there may even be such a movement where he does follow the path of the bullet. All it seems to me from activating the reaction command is that where he goes is random.

Though, in the cases where he follows the projectile, he's not faster than the bullets, or than he can even hit them. So, based on that, even if this were a teleport, it's pretty useless.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So it's a coincidence he's never held three keyblades without stealing them?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I was incorrect about the spider type legs. However, it's description in Jiminy's Journal was interesting. It tells that the creature is mostly bone, and it does definitely look like that. It's rib cage is even exposed at the bottom, while the legs appear to be pieces of variously sized bone.

And I've seen him fight back the leg. There is very minimal weight. Sora overpowered one leg in mid air, which kind of craps on physics outside of Sora's strange ability to stand on air, but it's a lot less impressive that fighting off the whole thing's weight.

Had the weight of the leg, weight of the upper-right body and the force it applied with the stomp. In the form of a cub and with his teeth.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The numbers you come up with just don't make any sense to me.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
As mentioned before, all the Heartless are not strong enough to move limbs while suspended by the spell. All it really does is put Link in mid air.

Iron Boots, Hover Boots > Magnega.

And damage him. Maybe its because they're too busy being spun around. Hard to do much in that condition.

Hover Boots are temporary. As much as I dont want to, OoTBoots need a weight. They're not TPBoots, which do actually look heavier.

Originally posted by BloodRain
At best he has lunges forward not quick aerial dashes.

Who says he did anything in the air other than one big lunge? It's hard to see when his body is all blurry.

Originally posted by BloodRain
70% of KMC feats havnt been stated except by us. It looks like the Snipers when they teleport. To say they both dont teleport means that regular enemies can move at Sora's speed. Last point makes no sense. He 'ports around to get the bullet in the right position to aim back at Xigbar.

The snipers don't teleport. They fly. Kind of like I've been telling you Sora moves in mid air. And sure, works for me.

It's not a port. We can see him move the entire distance he goes as long as the camera is in the right position. I've even seen the Snipers redirect mid flight.

Teleports also do not create momentum, mostly because they ignore space. That is also kind of why we don't see 'porters as they change position.

And how does it not make sense? Every time he redirects the bullet, he hits it. It then goes to it's next position and halts, as it does right before you initiate the reaction command in the first place. Then Sora gets there and hits it again.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The same as how he's never summoned 2 Keys in base form even when its officially stated that he can.

I haven't seen this statement.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Thought you mean like a crocodile's. O.o dont think Ive seen the opposition aid the other side in a long time. This would make the weight up to 1.5x heavier~

It would have been somewhat like that too, except the legs would have been much longer.

And dude. This is why I think your numbers suck. Bone makes it up to 1.5 times heavier?

I might also point out that the legs appear to be somewhat hollow and unconnected, as the neck is.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Had the weight of the leg, weight of the upper-right body and the force it applied with the stomp. In the form of a cub and with his teeth.

No, it didn't. The pushing contest between the two takes place in mid air. And the Heartless is pushing back on him horizontally. So it isn't even a stomp. 😬 It's like a punch. I did this fight yesterday. And that mask thing on it's back can get bent with it's fuggin' lasers.

Originally posted by BloodRain
As long as it isnt spite from the Dangoro/Goron calcs~

Nah.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And damage him. Maybe its because they're too busy being spun around. Hard to do much in that condition.

That's even worse for Sora.

Defensive maneuver #1: Hold out Sword.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Hover Boots are temporary. As much as I dont want to, OoTBoots need a weight. They're not TPBoots, which do actually look heavier.

I disagree. The items in TP are very much the same as OoT. Direct sequel and all. Hero's Bow guarded by the Gorons and whatnot.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Who says he did anything in the air other than one big lunge? It's hard to see when his body is all blurry.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The snipers don't teleport. They fly. Kind of like I've been telling you Sora moves in mid air. And sure, works for me.

It's not a port. We can see him move the entire distance he goes as long as the camera is in the right position. I've even seen the Snipers redirect mid flight.

Teleports also do not create momentum, mostly because they ignore space. That is also kind of why we don't see 'porters as they change position.

And how does it not make sense? Every time he redirects the bullet, he hits it. It then goes to it's next position and halts, as it does right before you initiate the reaction command in the first place. Then Sora gets there and hits it again.

Has the same 'momentum' as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQU-F3LigG0&feature=related#t=56s

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I haven't seen this statement.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It would have been somewhat like that too, except the legs would have been much longer.

And dude. This is why I think your numbers suck. Bone makes it up to 1.5 times heavier?

I might also point out that the legs appear to be somewhat hollow and unconnected, as the neck is.

Legs arent connected in the same way the head is. Hollow? Dont see where youd get that from.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No, it didn't. The pushing contest between the two takes place in mid air. And the Heartless is pushing back on him horizontally. So it isn't even a stomp. 😬 It's like a punch. I did this fight yesterday. And that mask thing on it's back can get bent with it's fuggin' lasers.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That's even worse for Sora.

Defensive maneuver #1: Hold out Sword.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I disagree. The items in TP are very much the same as OoT. Direct sequel and all. Hero's Bow guarded by the Gorons and whatnot.

Originally posted by BloodRain
If it was just movement then he would act immediate and not pause for a split second, more likely he wouldnt need that spilt second as he's experienced in mid-air combat. Still find it funny that you used to say that Sora could 'port but only when against Xigbar. Jus' sayin'.

I don't remember ever agreeing that it was a teleport. But I do remember suggesting that, were it a teleport, he would be taking advantage of the wormholes Xigbar created for his bulets. Of course, with the logic that's been applied to Sora lately walking through a wormhole means he can summon one.

If it was just movement he would pause for a bit. Probably to get the footing he needs for a big lunge or whatever the hell it is he's doing. You're still failing to notice how Sora acts as though there are invisible walls wherever he stops.

Originally posted by BloodRain
They warp, the same power their master has.

Has the same 'momentum' as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQU-F3LigG0&feature=related#t=56s

Every member of the organization can create wormholes. That's what they do to get around. Xigbar happens to be able to manipulate space, but we never really see him do that to get around.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Thats because you havnt finished BBS. Read Aura's reaction to get the jist of it.

K. Two keyblades standard form. I'll be playing Birth By Sleep at some point. A friend is being kind enough to lend me his PSP for a while.

Originally posted by BloodRain
On the calc I had to time the volume by animal body density, aka 1g/cm3. Now thats its mostly bone Id have to times it by bone density, aka 1.5g/cm3. If you were made of mostly bone your weight would be heavier then it is now.

Your first was with stone and dirt?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Legs arent connected in the same way the head is. Hollow? Dont see where youd get that from.

The head isn't connected. That's kind of the point. When was the last time you played the game?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Leg = stomp. Arms = punch. Only words. Initial impact is the main point here. Is murder on the first play-through... got me wanting to replay it.

Stomp to me says a vertical step. Not a horizontal push.

Not my first play through. Still a pain in the ass though.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Helplessly rotating, not spinning like a blender. Lets see him block lightning while being spun around~

So a slight rotate is totally useless. It's like a merry go round. How threatening.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Hero Bow looks slightly modified. However the Boots have gone from metal souls to being completely made of metal, thats a large difference. And that's if they're the same.

The Master Sword doesn't look the same either. Does that mean it's a different Master Sword?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'll be playing Birth By Sleep at some point. A friend is being kind enough to lend me his PSP for a while.

Advice: Play through the game in Terra, Ven, Aqua order. Makes the most sense story wise.

Also, hax powers are hax. Especially Xehanort. Need him in a thread. >.>

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't remember ever agreeing that it was a teleport. But I do remember suggesting that, were it a teleport, he would be taking advantage of the wormholes Xigbar created for his bulets. Of course, with the logic that's been applied to Sora lately walking through a wormhole means he can summon one.

If it was just movement he would pause for a bit. Probably to get the footing he needs for a big lunge or whatever the hell it is he's doing. You're still failing to notice how Sora acts as though there are invisible walls wherever he stops.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Every member of the organization can create wormholes. That's what they do to get around. Xigbar happens to be able to manipulate space, but we never really see him do that to get around.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
K. Two keyblades standard form. I'll be playing Birth By Sleep at some point. A friend is being kind enough to lend me his PSP for a while.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Your first was with stone and dirt?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The head isn't connected. That's kind of the point. When was the last time you played the game?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Stomp to me says a vertical step. Not a horizontal push.

Not my first play through. Still a pain in the ass though.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So a slight rotate is totally useless. It's like a merry go round. How threatening.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The Master Sword doesn't look the same either. Does that mean it's a different Master Sword?

Originally posted by BloodRain
When it was first brought up, yar. If it was movement then he'd attack before he's visible like when attacking the Hydra. How he attacks/appears is in the same manner as the Shadow clip minus all the blue.

Nonsense. He's not attacking, he's using a bullet's ricochet angles to take advantage of it.

I have now seen Break. It's the exact same thing as Warp Snipe, but from a different angle.

I have also seen Xigbar's space power teleport. Looks nothing like the supposed teleport that Sora and the Sniper nobodies use. Leads me to believe they are not one in the same.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I'll have to somehow remember this point for when you finish it <.<

Notepad. Or Bookmark the page replying to this or just the page of this thread we're on.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Only 1/5 of it. The rest was a normal x1... until now that is.

Hollowness.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Thats what I mean. The legs are connected to the body. Must be 4 years now. Gave that (and my ps2 ¬¬) to a friend not long after so didnt even get a second play. Have seen tons of vids since then. Back now and will replay.

If the bones on the legs are anything like the bone pieces used in the neck, which are somehow connected by with nothing visible, then they'd be relatively doughnut/ring shaped.

Originally posted by BloodRain
There'd still be a large weight on him. It only needs to be 2% of the whole body weight to match Link.

Except there isn't any weight at all. It's just a push by the creature, relying on it's strength, which probably isn't a whole lot.

Different body as well. Sora may not have that strength in his standard form.

link-rape

Originally posted by BloodRain
Until he spins to have his back facing Sora... while upside down.

There are Links that have been upside down before. And every Link makes a point of using a spin as an attack. Magnega isn't exactly fast spinning either, it's not too much of a hindrance, if it's significant at all.

Originally posted by BloodRain
MS looks pretty much the same as it did then. And we 'know' that its the same sword. If they are the same TPboots have gone through heavy modifications since OoT.

Not really. I could make the argument that TP's MS is very different. A much more slender blade, not quite as thick, longer.

TP is still a direct sequel to OoT, the only thing any more direct being Majora's Mask. And there are even indications that the Hero of Time's items have been saved and stored for later generations.