Sora(Kingdom Hearts) vs Link(Legend of Zelda)

Originally posted by BloodRain
....yeah, the Shadow the Hedgehog intro.

Oh. I owned that game. Really sucked. One of the only ones I ever sold back to the crooks at GameStop.

So what was it's purpose again?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Keeping it for the meaning behind the quote >_<

Unless I don't fully understand all of the context(plausible), even the meaning behind it is stupid and irritating. >_>

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its foot is already half way down by the time Sora counters.

Not from what I recall. Will look again.

I'm gonna need some motivation soon. I'm in the hole on at least three separate areas right now.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not saying the spell will knock him out but the extra damage is always good.

There has to be damage for this to be extra damage.

link-rape

Originally posted by BloodRain
Biting on red herrings here. Point is that MS can be explained through game edits, Bow through modifications over time. There's nothing to explain the Boots other then A: They're not the same or B: They've been heavily modified since OoT.

C: Artistic difference due to graphical limitations.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Must be confused about the end. When he was finally send that was permanent right? So he wouldn't of kept the gear from the future.

Where did he place it? Not a single thing in the game says he stores it somewhere or leaves it in the future. And the images are still in his inventory.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Was only the basic image, one in that TP pose.

TP's is pretty easy to remember lengthwise, but not on OoT's.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh. I owned that game. Really sucked. One of the only ones I ever sold back to the crooks at GameStop.

So what was it's purpose again?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Unless I don't fully understand all of the context(plausible), even the meaning behind it is stupid and irritating. >_>

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Not from what I recall. Will look again.

I'm gonna need some motivation soon. I'm in the hole on at least three separate areas right now.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
There has to be damage for this to be extra damage.

link-rape

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
C: Artistic difference due to graphical limitations.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Where did he place it? Not a single thing in the game says he stores it somewhere or leaves it in the future. And the images are still in his inventory.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
TP's is pretty easy to remember lengthwise, but not on OoT's.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Is true, dammit Sonic Team :/ Purpose, right. Shadows port that on reappearing acts like Sora does when he appears.

Without the momentum that Sora displays. Stop ignoring that. Not to mention that if the Nobodies teleport as their Master does, their's looks nothing like Xigbar's.

Originally posted by BloodRain
IThe cake is a lie. Assassin tells his student to motivate him as a cold killer but whole things a complete contradiction at the end. And it stays ¬,¬

Still sounds stupid. 😬

Originally posted by BloodRain
I0:33 He leaps up, note that both front legs are raised. 0:34 Leg is half way down. 0:35 Sora makes contact, other leg only comes down after contact which shows more force was on him.
Can remember so little about the game :/

Watched it a bit ago.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I-Sora shoots magic at Link- there ya go.

The generally feat less magic spells?

Originally posted by BloodRain
ITo that degree?

Yeah. Comparatively, about the same degree as the Master Sword was changed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
IThen Im still confused. I swear when he was finally sent back he went back to before he first went in time to his original time.

He was. But that doesn't mean the items he was carrying didn't go with him.

But if I just read that correctly, I'm about to contradict myself. When Link was sent back, he would have been sent back to before Ganon had made any move at all, about the time he first met Zelda, or shortly after that so that the two could tell the story and get Ganon executed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Ihttp://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/385588-zeldageek/588/47/link_ocarina_of_time_display.jpg

You're using official art for the sword. >_>

For the boots we're relying on game play imaging. To my knowledge there is no official art of the boots. And even if there were, a simple enough design for them has to be picked in order to match in game design.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Without the momentum that Sora displays. Stop ignoring that. Not to mention that if the Nobodies teleport as their Master does, their's looks nothing like Xigbar's.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Watched it a bit ago.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The generally feat less magic spells?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah. Comparatively, about the same degree as the Master Sword was changed.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
He was. But that doesn't mean the items he was carrying didn't go with him.

But if I just read that correctly, I'm about to contradict myself. When Link was sent back, he would have been sent back to before Ganon had made any move at all, about the time he first met Zelda, or shortly after that so that the two could tell the story and get Ganon executed.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You're using official art for the sword. >_>

For the boots we're relying on game play imaging. To my knowledge there is no official art of the boots. And even if there were, a simple enough design for them has to be picked in order to match in game design.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Actually Shadows is the same down to the 'momentum'. It it was speed there wouldn't be a pause, he'd attack right away before he's visable like he did vs Hydra.

I'll just have to go back and look at this clip then. And I will, at some point.

The Hydra is not an attack before he's visible. It is an attempt to slice through a neck with something that isn't even a blade. He's not doing what he does with Warp Snipe and Break, which is redirecting a bullet.

Originally posted by BloodRain
But this one comes with my footnotes. So ja, stompin'.

Still more of a push. And Sora is in a different body.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Feat less magic on a guy with no offence magic resistance. Now that I think about it they'd be the same as FF's ones.

He's battled countless magic users in all of his incarnations. But yeah, for the most part, no magic resistance. Mostly because he doesn't get hit.

Originally posted by BloodRain
...Really?? Let me get this straight.. Slight size difference and the guards a bit more pointed = Sole being redesigned and the whole boot going from leather to metal all the way to the knee? Comparing these twos differences is the same as comparing Nidorans evolution to Magikarps.

There isn't a whole lot to a sword, yo. Major differences are major when comparing a blade. There is also the game play > official art problem.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So as he was sent back to before Ganon acted he wouldnt have the gear he got after that.
'' In Ocarina of Time, Link leaps to a world seven years later, defeats Ganon, and then returns to the child era, right? Twilight Princess is the world 100 and something years after peace is restored in the child era'' So TPs boots were never owned by OoTLink.

False, dude, seriously. Time travel in OoT did not work like you think it does. He may have been coming back to the same point in time whenever he used the Pedestal of Time, and he probably was, but there is no indication of any other copy of him running around. And if I understand you right, you're trying to tell me that going back in time and revealing Ganon's plan erases all that Link did, stopping him from ever getting the items. And that just isn't true.

We don't know how much longer TP is after OoT. But it's long enough to preserve a large portion of a wooden bow. I don't think preserving some metal is quite as difficult.

The items are indicated to be passed down and preserved. Link carried them as a child.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not gonna compare the '98 game to the '06 one that would alter from the graphics shift when the art shows what we need.

The problem doesn't go away because you don't want to deal with it.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'll just have to go back and look at this clip then. And I will, at some point.

The Hydra is not an attack before he's visible. It is an attempt to slice through a neck with something that isn't even a blade. He's not doing what he does with Warp Snipe and Break, which is redirecting a bullet.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Still more of a push. And Sora is in a different body.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
He's battled countless magic users in all of his incarnations. But yeah, for the most part, no magic resistance. Mostly because he doesn't get hit.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
There isn't a whole lot to a sword, yo. Major differences are major when comparing a blade. There is also the game play > official art problem.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
False, dude, seriously. Time travel in OoT did not work like you think it does. He may have been coming back to the same point in time whenever he used the Pedestal of Time, and he probably was, but there is no indication of any other copy of him running around. And if I understand you right, you're trying to tell me that going back in time and revealing Ganon's plan erases all that Link did, stopping him from ever getting the items. And that just isn't true.

We don't know how much longer TP is after OoT. But it's long enough to preserve a large portion of a wooden bow. I don't think preserving some metal is quite as difficult.

The items are indicated to be passed down and preserved. Link carried them as a child.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The problem doesn't go away because you don't want to deal with it.

these link threads are getting annoying as shit.

Sappho you never even post anymore.

SO SHUT IT BOY!

you remember when i used to post? atleast somebody does... lol. ive been posting more lately, but i have a more important question..... WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU WANTED ME TO SHUT??? crazy

Oh hey you're that one dude. : P

HAHAHA VERY FUNNY. lol. seriously, though, do you remember me? 🙁 :

Originally posted by Sappho
HAHAHA VERY FUNNY. lol. seriously, though, do you remember me? 🙁 :

Edit: checked your profile, it was Killa.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I remember you. You used to be Killer, or something.

Edit: checked your profile, it was Killa.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah it is. To finish it off he slashes all 7 heads before he slows down. Thered be nothing stopping him from knocking them away/back while staying in that speed. More so for Break.

Which is not the same as redirecting a bullet. Sure he can cut it in half if he wants, but he kind of has to aim it and, you know, not cut it in half...

Originally posted by BloodRain
Re-watching the vid I can confirm that it the weight was on him, too plain to see. Everything about that form says he be weaker the Sora. Being a lion cub then holding the Key in his mouth. Either Sora's as strong as this form or he's stronger.

Not really. I'd be willing to bet he's physically superior. Especially considering how much faster he can run.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So his magic would work against him?

I don't recall saying that.

Originally posted by BloodRain
When it comes down to anything yeah, gameplay > art. But this is looking at the image of the character, something that can be done with the art. Eg OoT Link doesnt actually have a large pointy nose as the game shows us.

I was not attempting to use > like that. It was supposed to be me commenting on the change in appearance between Game play and the official art.

That last point would sort of help me. I mean, if such a huge schnoz isn't actually real for Link, and it's seen only in game play, is that really what the iron boots look like?

Originally posted by BloodRain
That depends on when Link was sent back. If it was before events took place then he wouldnt have those things. If he was just sent back then he would. Time travel.. such a simple topic >_>
Eiji says 100 and something years but doesnt say much for the weapons. Can you show where its stated that his gear is held on to for the next Link's? 'cause besides the MS the only one hinted upon is the Bow.

Yeah, Zelda's time travel doesn't work like that. If it did, moving through time would require him to collect the items all over again. That isn't how it goes.

Not to mention that the canon travel back to being a child that he has to do in order to solve the Spirit Temple would not happen, as going back would erase all his progress.

Wutsa Eiji?

Master Sword, bow, iron boots even existing. How much call do you think there is for things like boomerangs, claw and hookshots, and iron boots in Hyrule?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Whats being ignored?

The problem being discussed.

Originally posted by Sappho
HAHAHA VERY FUNNY. lol. seriously, though, do you remember me? 🙁 :

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Which is not the same as redirecting a bullet. Sure he can cut it in half if he wants, but he kind of has to aim it and, you know, not cut it in half...

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Not really. I'd be willing to bet he's physically superior. Especially considering how much faster he can run.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't recall saying that.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I was not attempting to use > like that. It was supposed to be me commenting on the change in appearance between Game play and the official art.

That last point would sort of help me. I mean, if such a huge schnoz isn't actually real for Link, and it's seen only in game play, is that really what the iron boots look like?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, Zelda's time travel doesn't work like that. If it did, moving through time would require him to collect the items all over again. That isn't how it goes.

Not to mention that the canon travel back to being a child that he has to do in order to solve the Spirit Temple would not happen, as going back would erase all his progress.

Wutsa Eiji?

Master Sword, bow, iron boots even existing. How much call do you think there is for things like boomerangs, claw and hookshots, and iron boots in Hyrule?

The only things that are the same from OoT/MM are the bots and bow. Nothing else is. Not the same boomerang or hookshot. [is the clawshot, tis actually a different thing] So saying that both things with the same name are the same just because one is suggested to be so, doesnt sound right.

EiJi Aonuma, assistant/director gai.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The problem being discussed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
If someone can move at that speeds their reactions will be sufficient enough to do just that at speeds.

Oh, cool.

As long as we're assuming that speed means reaction time without proving it we're going to assume that Link's really durable, right?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lion cubs top speed [either real lifes 15m/s or gameplays] <<< cutting Hydra. But no the only way he would be stronger is if a cubs jaw/neck is stronger then a teenagers upper body...

Lions do have more muscle than humans. And I'm pretty sure a lion mouth can crush a human skull. Doesn't a human have to be abnormally strong to crush a human skull with just two arms?

Originally posted by BloodRain
''for the most part, no magic resistance'' Means theres no argument to say he wont be hurt.

Oh, see, you confused me. By "So his magic will work against him?" I though you were telling me that I said Sora's magic would work against himself.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not really as to say Link's nose is different we can prove it by the art, theres nothing for the Boots. A simple change like that, like the MS, is a minor change.

Exactly. There is no art for the boots to prove what they really look like.

Originally posted by BloodRain
But isnt Link travelling by himself different to when he's finally sent back?

Only in the sense that he can't get back due to leaving the MS in Ganon's skull, and Zelda transporting him there.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The only things that are the same from OoT/MM are the bots and bow. Nothing else is. Not the same boomerang or hookshot. [is the clawshot, tis actually a different thing] So saying that both things with the same name are the same just because one is suggested to be so, doesnt sound right.

EiJi Aonuma, assistant/director gai.

Point? Of course, I believe that Hylian shields share a remarkably similar design. Hmm...

Oh wait a minute, Link's clothes. Well I'll be damned.

Of what? Your game or my game?

Originally posted by BloodRain
O.o Using the art instrad of gameplay of a 5th gen, '98 game isnt avoiding anything.

Yeah, it is.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh, cool.

As long as we're assuming that speed means reaction time without proving it we're going to assume that Link's really durable, right?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lions do have more muscle than humans. And I'm pretty sure a lion mouth can crush a human skull. Doesn't a human have to be abnormally strong to crush a human skull with just two arms?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh, see, you confused me. By "So his magic will work against him?" I though you were telling me that I said Sora's magic would work against himself.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Exactly. There is no art for the boots to prove what they really look like.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Only in the sense that he can't get back due to leaving the MS in Ganon's skull, and Zelda transporting him there.

vWhen he went back he didnt have a shield on him which he does when he goes back.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Point? Of course, I believe that Hylian shields share a remarkably similar design. Hmm...

Oh wait a minute, Link's clothes. Well I'll be damned.

Of what? Your game or my game?

Advisor of OoT, developer of TP

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, it is.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not proven? In a split second Sora moves at extreme speeds and cuts off 7 heads while at that speed. Proof he can react at the speed.

Not complicated. Dash, hold out sword. Not to mention they are rather close together.

Originally posted by BloodRain
This is far to jumbled. To start its the lions head strength like that of a headbutt to be what we're looking at not the bite force. Next we're not comparing a man to a lion, its a sporty teen to a 7 month old lion cub. Sporty teens punch strength > 7 month old cubs headbutt.

Sora is not a cub. He is 15. Plenty old enough to develop muscle, which lion bodies tend to have more of, as evidenced by a faster running speed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Apologise~

gies?

Originally posted by BloodRain
So we're left with gameplay looks being what it is.

Indeed, not highly detailed game play at that, being an old game and all. And you've seen how different game play can be from the official art. Master Sword, yo. So how much different would the Boots be on art? And how much different would they have been with the capability to make something like TP's boots back then?

Originally posted by BloodRain
He had the MS after stabbing Ganon to put it back. [I think]

Not to my knowledge, but I've been wrong before. Of course, if he placed it back, he did it as a child, carrying it with him when Zelda sent him back in time. Sounds to me like he took the rest of them with him.

Originally posted by BloodRain
vWhen he went back he didnt have a shield on him which he does when he goes back.

Wha?

Originally posted by BloodRain
That the Bow has been hinted on, the Shield looks the same but the boots have no explanation and look 90% different. Spirits or whatever giving him clothes similar of past heroes is not the same thing.

Pretty sure the spirit mentions that those clothes were worn by the hero long ago. Hm, saved clothing.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Advisor of OoT, developer of TP

K.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Gameplay Link is 4.5 heads tall, art Link is 6 heads tall. <- Id rather trust the art when it comes to this situation.

The hell?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Not complicated. Dash, hold out sword. Not to mention they are rather close together.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Sora is not a cub. He is 15. Plenty old enough to develop muscle, which lion bodies tend to have more of, as evidenced by a faster running speed.

Simba cub | Simba adult | Sora's obviously a cub. At most he's a tad bit bigger then cub Simba. Size wise he'd be a 6 month at most.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
gies?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Indeed, not highly detailed game play at that, being an old game and all. And you've seen how different game play can be from the official art. Master Sword, yo. So how much different would the Boots be on art? And how much different would they have been with the capability to make something like TP's boots back then?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Not to my knowledge, but I've been wrong before. Of course, if he placed it back, he did it as a child, carrying it with him when Zelda sent him back in time. Sounds to me like he took the rest of them with him.

Wha?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Pretty sure the spirit mentions that those clothes were worn by the hero long ago. Hm, saved clothing.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The hell?

Wow its been 4 or 5 years since my last comments. I was so depressed back then, at my personal life.