U.S. raid kills Iraqi civilians

A U.S. air strike on a house north of Baghdad killed more than 13 Iraqi civilians, including several women and children, police and witnesses said, according to The Washington Post.

Police said the U.S. assault took place early Wednesday in the village of Is’haqi, 170 km north of Baghdad.

There were conflicting reports on the number of Iraqi casualties.

The U.S. army claimed in a statement that it carried out the operation to capture “a foreign fighter facilitator" for al-Qaeda. It confirmed that a man, two women and a child were killed in the operation.

Police Capt. Hakim Azzawi said that that U.S. helicopters bombed the house of Fayez Khairat Khalaf Turfa, killing 13 civilians, five children, six women and two men.

Khalaf's brother, Ahmed, said nine of the victims were family members who lived at the house and two were unidentified visitors.

"The killed family was not part of the resistance; they were women and children," Ahmed Khalaf told the Associated Press. "The Americans have promised us a better life, but we get only death."

A U.S. army spokesman, Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, said the military was "investigating why there is a discrepancy" in accounts of the operation and the number of casualties.

Damn, if we started a thread every time a news headline broke out from Iraq, the bandwidth would be so large we'd need about 3 forums to keep all the threads!

LOL now why doesn't this surprise me at ALL?

I read about insurgents killing people everyday in FAR FAR greater numbers......................Middle Eastern people killing each other in far greater numbers then something like this.

This is what you post! PUHLEASE wake up and if your gonna post this make sure you post insurgent casualties and middle eastern deaths by their own "people."

Or how about create a "Posts by Noobs who Joined KMC To Post One Point And Then Disappear Forever" thread??

Well, when you use bombs and the enemy hides among the innocent, this DOES happen. I like how this gets its own thread, but we lose a handful of US troops every day, not to mention hostage situations from all allied nations.

Seeing as this happens every day I really don't see how this is even slightly important. It happens, shit like this happens in a war, sucks for the people that survived and remain but well its not really newsworthy.

lol gotta love yanks, never wanna admit when they do anything wrong but always like to point out what bad stuff others are doing.

I said it was worthless too, and I live in the Netherlands... Got to love you people who just want the US to look even worse then it is.

Originally posted by Fishy
I said it was worthless too, and I live in the Netherlands... Got to love you people who just want the US to look even worse then it is.

so if this happened in holland and to your family, you would just accept it and move on?

Originally posted by anti-her0
so if this happened in holland and to your family, you would just accept it and move on?

No, but if my country was in war and people would die by the dozens every day I wouldn't expect people to make a thread about this particulair incident it in some online forum...

Originally posted by anti-her0
lol gotta love yanks, never wanna admit when they do anything wrong but always like to point out what bad stuff others are doing.

It was a bad thing, and I'm a Yank (even in North Carolina by somebody's standards, apparently). You're missing the point. I know you've only been a KMC member for about five minutes, but take the time to understand how the GDF forum works before throwing yourself into the ring.

Try the Pirates of the Carribean forum for about a month or two (oh, God that was cruel)...that should be a good warm-up.

Originally posted by botankus
Try the Pirates of the Carribean forum for about a month or two

damn thats MEAN!!!!!!!!!!! 😂

lmao

Not teh PotC!

Originally posted by anti-her0
lol gotta love yanks, never wanna admit when they do anything wrong but always like to point out what bad stuff others are doing.

lol gotta love canucks, always looking for bad stuff to trash the yanks.

I think the only way to solve civilian casualties in war would be to change the training that military personal recieve. If the training on how to be a soldier or marine had a more.....humanistic aproach (how it can be more humanistic is debatable) than I think the grunts wouldn't be so quick to blast everyone with a funny look.

The downside to this could be that more soldiers may die due to a more lax or careful demeanor. I don't think this not to be the case though. If our soldiers and marines are trained to be "personable" and to treat people not as criminals right off, in compliment to their other training I think they will better be able to assess situations. Being viewed as imposing and an aggressor usually only leads to conflict.

I understand that they need to be trained as killers. It is war after all but damnit how else are you going to avoid civilian casualities?

This could also help them with their transition back into civilian life when their contract is up.

Originally posted by meep-meep
I think the only way to solve civilian casualties in war would be to change the training that military personal recieve. If the training on how to be a soldier or marine had a more.....humanistic aproach (how it can be more humanistic is debatable) than I think the grunts wouldn't be so quick to blast everyone with a funny look.

The downside to this could be that more soldiers may die due to a more lax or careful demeanor. I don't think this not to be the case though. If our soldiers are trained to be "personable" and to treat people not as criminals right off, in compliment to their other training I think they will better be able to assess situations. Being viewed as imposing and an aggressor usually only leads to conflict.

This could also help them with their transition back into civilian life when their contract is up.

Its not that hard really the Dutch army is trained in a way like what you are talking about. They still carry weapons but they have them pointed at the ground, they shoot warning shots if necessary but try to talk to people first. They don't go around strip searching random people in the street. In the Iraqi province where the Dutch are its actually quite peaceful one or two incidents since we arrived.

But then again, the Dutch people are in a province that didn't like Saddam anyways and we didn't really invade the country so the hatred from them would be a lot less... How this technique would work in a place like Baghdad is debatable.

Originally posted by Fishy
Its not that hard really the Dutch army is trained in a way like what you are talking about. They still carry weapons but they have them pointed at the ground, they shoot warning shots if necessary but try to talk to people first. They don't go around strip searching random people in the street. In the Iraqi province where the Dutch are its actually quite peaceful one or two incidents since we arrived.

But then again, the Dutch people are in a province that didn't like Saddam anyways and we didn't really invade the country so the hatred from them would be a lot less... How this technique would work in a place like Baghdad is debatable.

Yeah. I'm pretty positive soldiers and marines in the U.S. are still trained to point their rifles at the ground but as you say maybe that practice isn't very smart iin certain districts.

Is anyone here currently serving time in the U.S. military? Better yet is anyone here a grunt and does patrols in Iraq? That could be some great info...

It's a war outta there. So 13 civillians died. Big deal!

Originally posted by botankus
Try the Pirates of the Carribean forum for about a month or two

Lmao, very harsh

Originally posted by Da preacher
It's a war outta there. So 13 civillians died. Big deal!

13 civilians. Civilians are people not associated with the war. They are basically innocent. That's not a big deal?