Originally posted by Wesker
Well, when you use bombs and the enemy hides among the innocent, this DOES happen.
There is a huge aspect of truth to this. You're right in almost every way. But, you're wrong in regards to their deaths being because they enemy hides among the innocent. That would be dependant upon attacking the right enemy. If we were attacking a country that did anything to us on 9/11, those losses would be casualties of war. As it is, we have pissed off people who weren't as highly motivated as they were before we came to their country to "spread freedom". I find it hard to believe that GW Bush holds hands with members of the Saudi royal family, but can't find Bin Laden. Bin Laden is the kid at the back of the classroom that gets away with being an ******* to others because his uncle is the bishop. (if you went to catholic school you'd understand that)
Originally posted by botankus
Try the Pirates of the Carribean forum for about a month or two (oh, God that was cruel)...that should be a good warm-up.
I know I'm quoting myself, but a few things this new guy should know about the POTC forum before he enters a place that is scarier than death itself: This forum has the highest smilie/lingo to word ratio at KMC, with each user using approximately 6.5 smilies for every written word, and approximately 9.6 lingo terms (UR, prolly, whogotdarum, and other combos that have dumbed down the Internet) to every string of letters that actually qualifies as an actual word. That is very scary!
Originally posted by Fishy
Seeing as this happens every day I really don't see how this is even slightly important.
The fact that it happens everyday is EXACTLY why it is important.
Originally posted by Fishy
It happens, shit like this happens in a war, sucks for the people that survived and remain but well its not really newsworthy.
The fact that you find this so commonplace or acceptable is also the reason that makes it so newsworthy, think about it.
Originally posted by botankus
Try the Pirates of the Carribean forum for about a month or two (oh, God that was cruel)...that should be a good warm-up.
Candidate for funniest quote of the month. Botankus, you never disappoint.👆
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
lol gotta love canucks, always looking for bad stuff to trash the yanks.
Gotta love ignorant folks who generalize about entire populations on the basis of one newbies post. And most often it is not the Americans that are being trashed, but their administration. And one does not have to look for reasons to trash said administration, they just throw it right out there in everyone's face.
Originally posted by Da preacher
It's a war outta there. So 13 civillians died. Big deal!
People who make such comments are either completely insensitive morons, morally corrupt idiots or completely immature fools...which are you?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
And most often it is not the Americans that are being trashed, but their administration.
I have to say I disagree. America is just as generalized by the rest of the world as America is responsible of doing in regards to the rest of the world. If the nightly news followed their reports with a disclaimer about american citizens v. the American administration, that would be one thing. But, people are burning American flags for a reason. Otherwise, they would be burning pictures of administration officials. As it is, they are not. That's just global media and politics.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I have to say I disagree. America is just as generalized by the rest of the world as America is responsible of doing in regards to the rest of the world. If the nightly news followed their reports with a disclaimer about american citizens v. the American administration, that would be one thing. But, people are burning American flags for a reason. Otherwise, they would be burning pictures of administration officials. As it is, they are not. That's just global media and politics.
I was directing more my comments towards the idea that Canadians were slagging Americans. Canadians are generally educated enough and aware of what their neighbours are like. Although I don't doubt some Canadians dislike Americans (and vice versa) I would think that the majority of Canadians can differentiate between the actions of an individual, an administration or a population, and voice opinions or concerns in the appropriate direction.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I was directing more my comments towards the idea that Canadians were slagging Americans. Canadians are generally educated enough and aware of what their neighbours are like. Although I don't doubt some Canadians dislike Americans (and vice versa) I would think that the majority of Canadians can differentiate between the actions of an individual, an administration or a population, and voice opinions or concerns in the appropriate direction.
hold on! Canadians do "slag" Americans. But is their reasoning any different that that of the Americans that do the same? No. It's all about media influence. Canada is just as guilty (and flawed) as are the Americans that make sweeping generalizations.
I'm not saying that canadians are any less responsible for their misconceptions. In fact, in a way, I'm agreeing with you. There is a huge number of Americans that feel the way they do based on educating themselves. As there are Canadians. Stupidy knows no national boundry. It is universal! That is why propoganda works. When it comes right down to the point, there are citizens in every country that suffer from an innablility to think outside what they are told.
Right! who cares how many have died since the war begins. USA must get back to its soils or wherever. Having a big power should not make the people think to capture anything they wanted to.
There are some associations that might be interested in protection of the world. NATO should take over the control of Iraq and give it to the administrators of land.
USA gives casualties everyday it is not easy for people who lives in USA. A new burial case moves to USA to be given to the owner of corpse. By the way, USA must have this place because if they leave, there is gonna be a civil war and be sure of that place is going to be a full of blood.
Originally posted by Darkman87
Right! who cares how many have died since the war begins.
I care. This isn't about one country v. the next. This is about right and wrong. There's no doubt that Sadam was a bad person. But "right" and "wrong" are subjective///based of the political sphere that exists in the world in question. Apaarently, the USA has done such a wonderful job that we need a Sadam look-a-like to come in and act just like him! How many innocent Americans citizens have to die for G.W. to make a profit?
In all honesty, my position is that we pull out on all support from Israel and the middle east.nd let the chips fall where they may. If Israel can't help itself, then why should we help them? (by the way, the bible is a huge issue in this) Oil is one issue. And once they've all killed themselves, the US can go in and make deal with the ones that are left. Be they arab or jweish, let them die!
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
hold on! Canadians do "slag" Americans.
I didn't say that didn't happen. Just that the majority of intelligent people know the difference between American policy makers and the Americans themselves. It seems that ignorance is theloudest voice that is heard above all else, and we have our fair share of those also. My main point is that you don't generalize an entire population. Especially one with such a diversity of education and culture such as Canada.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
When it comes right down to the point, there are citizens in every country that suffer from an innablility to think outside what they are told.
And that is who my original comment was directed.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
The fact that it happens everyday is EXACTLY why it is important.The fact that you find this so commonplace or acceptable is also the reason that makes it so newsworthy, think about it.
No that would make an article about the 37.000+ citizens that died important not an article about 13 people. Yeah it sucks, so what? If we would have a new thread about every time this shit happens the forum would be flooded with posts like this. And thats what makes this thread not as worthy as others, because it has been done a million times. Its like Deano's conspiracy theory threads, we have a million of those all saying the same thing even if they are different. Its simply not all that important when you look at the bigger picture.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
hold on! Canadians do "slag" Americans. But is their reasoning any different that that of the Americans that do the same? No. It's all about media influence. Canada is just as guilty (and flawed) as are the Americans that make sweeping generalizations.
Agree with you Capt. Is all about media influence.
Originally posted by GCG
I couldnt care less if they killed 13, 100 or 10,000 Iraqi civilians the same way I care if 10, 100 or 2000 American civilians die in collapsing buildings.
And that comment right there shows you to be both a person of little character who posses alarming levels of ignorance and apathy. If more people think like you do, then we're pretty much all f*cked.