When I sit at home at dinner time I turn on the TV, on the news. I see dead corpses and reports of civil war. I just say "Thats Horrible" and I carry on eating my dinner. Then I go to sleep as if unphased. Cause I am really unphased.
You really do the same things, as I do. You exclaim "Thats Horrible" and you finish your dinner. You sleep like a baby and are unphased by the horrible events.
If I alarm you with that you really make me laugh.
Originally posted by GCG
When I sit at home at dinner time I turn on the TV, on the news. I see dead corpses and reports of civil war. I just say "Thats Horrible" and I carry on eating my dinner. Then I go to sleep as if unphased. Cause I am really unphased.
How does this justify apathy or ignorance?
Originally posted by GCG
You really do the same things, as I do. You exclaim "Thats Horrible" and you finish your dinner. You sleep like a baby and are unphased by the horrible events.
No, not really. I am quite 'phased' by these events. I often travel to parts of the world where people are directly affected by these events. And in fact I have been directly affected by these events. So please keep your presumptions of how I feel separate from the self justification of your own apathy and insensitive please.
Originally posted by GCG
If I alarm you with that you really make me laugh.
Glad to entertain. If you fail to see the problem, then it is best that you sit in the corner laughing and amusing yourself with the other village idiots, it seems that you'd be happiest under such circumstances.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
How does this justify apathy or ignorance?No, not really. I am quite 'phased' by these events. I often travel to parts of the world where people are directly affected by these events. And in fact I have been directly affected by these events. So please keep your presumptions of how I feel separate from the self justification of your own apathy and insensitive please.
Glad to entertain.....yadda .
So you are saying that you actually put yourself into first gear, and run to the rescue. Okay. Where have you been and what have you done to show your support ?
What power did you have and what have you achieved ?
Originally posted by GCG
So you are saying that you actually put yourself into first gear, and run to the rescue.
Did I actually say that? NO, in fact I said:
I am quite 'phased' by these events. I often travel to parts of the world where people are directly affected by these events. And in fact I have been directly affected by these events. So please keep your presumptions of how I feel separate from the self justification of your own apathy and insensitive please.
To respond to your smart-ass question I did not say that I run to anyone's rescue, but that I am both phased and affected, as are many those I know and work with, by these events. My job requires travel, and during those travels I get to see more than just outside my own little world and can't afford the apathetic view towards others that you seem to be comfortable with.
Originally posted by GCG
Okay. Where have you been and what have you done to show your support ?What power did you have and what have you achieved ?
By actually giving a f*ck and voicing concern and respect for others I feel that you actually accomplish something. You can mock and question the motives of others, but it really only is done to make yourself feel comfortable in your apathy.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Did I actually say that? NO, in fact I said:To respond to your smart-ass question I did not say that I run to anyone's rescue, but that I am both phased and affected, as are many those I know and work with, by these events. My job requires travel, and during those travels I get to see more than just outside my own little world and can't afford the apathetic view towards others that you seem to be comfortable with.
By actually giving a f*ck and voicing concern and respect for others I feel that you actually accomplish something. You can mock and question the motives of others, but it really only is done to make yourself feel comfortable in your apathy.
HOW can you possibly 'feel that you have accomplished something' when thousands keep dying ? HOW ? Really thats how laughable your claims are.
When I suggested what you do, in my 'arrogant presumption', (that you remain unfazed by the events we see at dinner), you did quickly retort that you " often travel to parts of the world where people are directly affected by these events."
So ? What do YOU want to say about your frequent travels in parts of the world ? HOW are these people in these parts of the world 'affected directly' by these events ?
You continue with And in fact I have been directly affected by these events . Really ? How are you affected directly ? What are these facts you claim to have succumbed to ?
Originally posted by GCG
HOW can you possibly 'feel that you have accomplished something' when thousands keep dying ? HOW ? Really thats how laughable your claims are.
So in order for you to feel like you have put forth any positive influence in the world, or to feel that you have accomplished anything, the end result MUST be that you save the lives of thousands? Do you live in a marvel comic book? Do you have any idea how immature sounding that comment is. If someone helps out a single person, they have accomplished something. If you weigh your value by only grandiose feats, I would love to here about the great exploits of GCG.
Originally posted by GCG
When I suggested what you do, in my 'arrogant presumption', (that you remain unfazed by the events we see at dinner), you did quickly retort that you " often travel to parts of the world where people are directly affected by these events."
Yes I did say that. I however did not say that I travel the world to save or help these people, I stated that I travel to parts of the world where people are directly affected by these events. I am a writer by profession and I get to travel quite a bit meeting many people. Your comprehension level seems remarkably low, or you are just trying to dig deep and come up with something to try and sound like you know something the rest of us don't.
Originally posted by GCG
So ? What do YOU want to say about your frequent travels in parts of the world ? HOW are these people in these parts of the world 'affected directly' by these events ?
Do you really care? I doubt you do, but here are a few examples.
On a recent trip to Milan I sat and talked with man who lost his brother in the Madrid train bombings of March 11, 2004.
I have a close friend serving overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan, I am not sure which as the details of his unit are never made public. He serves with Canada's JTF2 and I haven't seen or heard from him in 3 years.
Recently I was in Denver Colorado where I met up with an old ranch hand who's son lost the use of his right arm and suffered serious damage to the right side of his face while serving in Iraq.
Last month I was in Frankfurt Germany while accompanying a peer as he interviewed people who have left Iraq, yet whose families have remained there. He's writing a book about people sitting on the outside looking in at what is happening to their country and families. He has also held interviews in other countries with people experiencing the same situation.
When I here stories of how people on both sides are dealing with this and other conflicts I can't look down on others who really don't seem to give a sh*t about the suffering of others.
Originally posted by GCG
You continue with And in fact I have been directly affected by these events . Really ? How are you affected directly ? What are these facts you claim to have succumbed to ?
Would it satisfy you to write the names of friends and coworkers who have died in Afghanistan, Iraq and New York? Or perhaps the loved ones left behind who are still dealing with the loss?
Like I said, my current career allows me to travel as did my previous career. I consider it a great perk to get to travel so much, but when you travel you get to meet people, share experiences and look outside your own perspective to see how others are benefiting or suffering from the events that happen around both us and them.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
So in order for you to feel like you have put forth any positive influence in the world, or to feel that you have accomplished anything, the end result MUST be that you save the lives of thousands? Do you live in a marvel comic book? Do you have any idea how immature sounding that comment is. If someone helps out a single person, they have accomplished something. If you weigh your value by only grandiose feats, I would love to here about the great exploits of GCG.
You are in no position to influence any event. Accept that. I am not either. The problem with your claims is that you are giving a false perspective into believing that simple voicing of your concerns will accomplish something. You say that it works while it doesnt work. So stop saying that.
I am a Immature and Living in a Marvel Comic by your books.
How stupid does that make you look. Really, am I supposed to keep taking the same approach on things when I know that they have never worked ? What you propose, is to wave your magic wand, speak out and everything will work just fine. Yeah. If you remove those blinkers, you can actually see how they are not. So to answer your ignorance, YES, in order to feel that you have accomplished something, you must achieve an end result.
Who have you helped ? Why does it have to be coaxed out of you bit by bit with every post exchanged ? I strongly feel that you are making things up as you go along instead of saying them.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Yes I did say that. I however did not say that I travel the world to save or help these people, I stated that I travel to parts of the world where people are directly affected by these events. I am a writer by profession and I get to travel quite a bit meeting many people. Your comprehension level seems remarkably low, or you are just trying to dig deep and come up with something to try and sound like you know something the rest of us don't.Do you really care? I doubt you do, but here are a few examples.
On a recent trip to Milan I sat and talked with man who lost his brother in the Madrid train bombings of March 11, 2004.
I have a close friend serving overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan, I am not sure which as the details of his unit are never made public. He serves with Canada's JTF2 and I haven't seen or heard from him in 3 years.
Recently I was in Denver Colorado where I met up with an old ranch hand who's son lost the use of his right arm and suffered serious damage to the right side of his face while serving in Iraq.
Last month I was in Frankfurt Germany while accompanying a peer as he interviewed people who have left Iraq, yet whose families have remained there. He's writing a book about people sitting on the outside looking in at what is happening to their country and families. He has also held interviews in other countries with people experiencing the same situation.
When I here stories of how people on both sides are dealing with this and other conflicts I can't look down on others who really don't seem to give a sh*t about the suffering of others.
If you are a writer, you surely must be an amateur. Do you even know what being affected directly means ? How can you claim that meeting someone in Milan, being the relative of a man that died in the Madrid bombings 2 years ago AFFECTED you directly?
It does not affect you directly. It affected his brother and his family directly but not you.
A friend serving in Iraq and Afghanistan that you haven’t heard of in 3 years Does Not Affect you directly. Is he dead? If he is a close friend you surely must know where his relatives live; did you ask them? Do you give value to what ‘close friend’ means and follow it up? If you cannot keep in contact with a close friend through his family by showing your support and making him truly wanted, you really dont know what 'close friend' means.
Again, meeting a man who’s son has had a limb severed off due to injury in Iraq is not affecting you directly. It affects their family, but you are no-where in the equation.
You accompanied your friend to Frankfurt? Really? He interviewed Iraqis to write a book? And how did this affect you directly?
It does not.
Nothing of what you claim to have experienced affects you directly so do yourself a favour and stop making a fool out of yourself by claiming that any of the above affect you directly.
If you want directly, You go travel to countries were you may be faced with aggression on a day to day basis. Go to countries were famine strives and bullets are the order of the day. Immerse yourself into their habitat and experience.
You did say that you travel to parts of the world and you also included the word OFTEN. You stated that you were in direct contact with the effects.
Your ‘very often’ turned out to be Colorado , Milan and Frankfurt , a mere 3 places which does not denote the use of the phrase ‘Often travelled to parts of the world affected directly’ and neither does 'Directly' apply to Milan or Frankfurt or Colorado. Your levels of applying the word ‘Affected Directly’ are completely out of context, order and the general english language itself. Some kind of writer indeed !
You then cheekily conclude with:
Would it satisfy you to write the names of friends and coworkers who have died in Afghanistan, Iraq and New York? Or perhaps the loved ones left behind who are still dealing with the loss?Like I said, my current career allows me to travel as did my previous career. I consider it a great perk to get to travel so much, but when you travel you get to meet people, share experiences and look outside your own perspective to see how others are benefiting or suffering from the events that happen around both us and them.
I believe that you dont have a single friend or co-worker that ever was a horrific victim in Iraq, Afghanistan or New York. Since you dont even know the fate of your friend and failed to keep yourself informed with the family of your 'close' friend, I would say you have no right to claim to have any friends. I also condemn the fact that you are using dead people's and their living families to advantage your position in a reasoning you try to make work when it clearly never did. You never show a single crumb of empathy.
Furthermore, the places you mentioned are no-where near Directly Affected places, and your Company does not venture to jeoprodise its employees life (unless you are a soldier or an oil-rig worker...etc.) .
I seriosly doubt you ever met any of those people and I cast further doubt to your claims that these people directly affected would talk about it to an amateur writer like you, who doesnt even make sense of his words.
Originally posted by GCG
The problem with your claims is that you are giving a false perspective into believing that simple voicing of your concerns will accomplish something. You say that it works while it doesnt work.
You seem to see change as black and white or having to be immediate. By voicing a concern and informing people regarding what is happening around the world, or the experiences that others live through you educate people to a world outside of their own immediate life. Do you at all get that?
Originally posted by GCG
I am a Immature and Living in a Marvel Comic by your books.How stupid does that make you look. Really, am I supposed to keep taking the same approach on things when I know that they have never worked ? What you propose, is to wave your magic wand, speak out and everything will work just fine.
Yes, because that is exactly how I explained myself. In fact you could almost quote where I talk about my magic wand and how I expect to make a better world with it. Grow up, argue against what I have said, not what you think I have said, or in fact, what I have not said at all.
Originally posted by GCG
If you are a writer, you surely must be an amateur. Do you even know what being affected directly means ? How can you claim that meeting someone in Milan, being the relative of a man that died in the Madrid bombings 2 years ago AFFECTED you directly?
I actually make a fairly good living. And Do you understand that accumulated knowledge and experiences form attitudes and beliefs? Every interaction you have with others affects you.
Originally posted by GCG
A friend serving in Iraq and Afghanistan that you haven’t heard of in 3 years Does Not Affect you directly. Is he dead? If he is a close friend you surely must know where his relatives live; did you ask them? Do you give value to what ‘close friend’ means and follow it up? If you cannot keep in contact with a close friend through his family by showing your support and making him truly wanted, you really dont know what 'close friend' means.
Well boy genius, there has been no contact between he, his family or his friends including me. The only correspondence has been between his family and a response (from whom I am unaware but I assume it would be whoever assigns such a unit) that reads ****name**** is currently serving active duty and correspondance at this time is not possible.
Originally posted by GCG
Again, meeting a man who’s son has had a limb severed off due to injury in Iraq is not affecting you directly. It affects their family, but you are no-where in the equation.
See what I said above.
Originally posted by GCG
You accompanied your friend to Frankfurt? Really? He interviewed Iraqis to write a book? And how did this affect you directly?
It does not.
Again, see what I said above.
Originally posted by GCG
I believe that you dont have a single friend or co-worker that ever was a horrific victim in Iraq, Afghanistan or New York. Since you dont even know the fate of your friend and failed to keep yourself informed with the family of your 'close' friend, I would say you have no right to claim to have any friends. I also condemn the fact that you are using dead people's and their living families to advantage your position in a reasoning you try to make work when it clearly never did. You never show a single crumb of empathy.
Furthermore, the places you mentioned are no-where near Directly Affected places, and your Company does not venture to jeoprodise its employees life (unless you are a soldier or an oil-rig worker...etc.) .
I seriosly doubt you ever met any of those people and I cast further doubt to your claims that these people directly affected would talk about it to an amateur writer like you, who doesnt even make sense of his words. [/B][/QUOTE]
Basically a more mature equivalent of "liar, liar pants on fire."
If you are trying to get a rise out of me by calling me a liar, sorry, I won't rise to the bait. To defend myself is to acknowledge that what you say has any validity.
The only defense I could put forth, is posting my name and published works, and that is not going to happen. So call me what you will and question what I write all you want. You are free to and this is indeed the internet where people regularly make false claims.
What you have done is taken is two people who have a basically different philosphy of the world (i.e. One who gives a sh*t and another who could care less if everyone outside his own country kills eachother) and made it into a pissing contest and a personal debate where you try to further you argument by calling me a liar.
This is going to go no where.
The fact is you made this statement:
Originally posted by GCGI couldnt care less if they killed 13, 100 or 10,000 Iraqi civilians the same way I care if 10, 100 or 2000 American civilians die in collapsing buildings.
..and I think it's a pretty crass way to look at things and that if everyone felt like that the world is pretty much f*cked.
If you wanna try and rip me a new one, PM me, I'll happily oblige. But I am not going to get into a separate debate that looks like it's going to go nowhere but a persoanl argument between two people who just thinks the other is full of sh*t.