Originally posted by Joey Stackscrylaugh
Telepathy would take out everyone but Maxam and Thanos, MAYBE Warlock, who is solo'd by just about any of the powerhouses on this team. But isn't Maxam even vulnerable to telepathy now that he has his memory back (wasn't that the reason he was illusioned into killing Warlock)?Drax, Maxam, Monolith, Magneto, Nate Grey, Iceman (how's Thanos on getting his innards frozen), etc is more then enough fire power to put down Thanos.
Anyway... since I finally read the post... the only way Moondragon was able to get into Maxam's mind was because the time gem opened a portal through his mental defenses.
Without the time gem, Moonsy with the Mind Gem was unable to get into his mind. Moondragon with the Mind Gem put X in a coma. 🙂
Only part worth addressing. 🙂
Plus, if this is current Drax, he was resisting Moondragon's mental attack... which before has killed him. 🙂
And shit, I forgot Thanos/Warlock was such a pussy...
The fact that you think that if team 1 can take out each person individually (not even addressing whether they can or not), then that equates to them being able to take out all of the Infinity Watch in a complete brawl.
Sure, the telepaths could gain up on Moondragon, but in the precious seconds they use to do that, Thanos/Adam/Maxam/Drax annihilate them.
Sure, the telepaths could try to take on all of the Infinity Watch at once... but there are multiples there who would be able to resist or are immune (Thanos, Adam, Maxam, Moondragon, etc.), and Thanos can just blast them to pieces while they struggle. As could Adam.
Try to freeze the innards of someone who's powers allow him to resist a black hole? Lulz
Even if you HAD Drax, Maxam, Monolith, Magneto, Nate Grey and Iceman (which you wouldn't), what suggests that would overwhelm Thanos?
As for "any one of the powerhouses" soloing Adam... crylaugh
Oh, and Bran brings up a good point. Current Drax has TP resistance as well, and Current Gamora could likely solo anybody with the Godslayer.
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
[B]The fact that you think that if team 1 can take out each person individually]
Oh, you mean the fact that you made up.
Sure, the telepaths could gain up on Moondragon, but in the precious seconds they use to do that, Thanos/Adam/Maxam/Drax annihilate them.
Who said they will gang up on Moondragon? Another made up fact? Jean Grey, hell, TO Cable could take Moondragon's telepathy. Unless you want to cling to showings from 20 years ago, or when she had her gem.
Sure, the telepaths could try to take on all of the Infinity Watch at once... but there are multiples there who would be able to resist or are immune (Thanos, Adam, Maxam, Moondragon, etc.),
The only ones immune are Maxam (who, IIRC, lost that immunity when he gained the time gem) and maybe Thanos (I've never seen him go up against this much telepathy, or heard of this immunity outside the net).
The only person you could argue strong enough to resist a combined TP assault from X-Man, Prof X, Jean Grey and Cable is Warlock (and that's using inconclusive showings based on safeguards he put on the mind gem, which if he were such a telepathic tank, he wouldn't need to put safeguards on in the first place).
and Thanos can just blast them to pieces while they struggle. As could Adam.
I doubt Thanos could blast through Magneto's shields as easily as you are insuating.
Warlock is most definately not doing shit and will get worked by anyone above Iceman.
Try to freeze the innards of someone who's powers allow him to resist a black hole? Lulz
What does resisting a black hole have to do with having your innards freezing?
Even if you HAD Drax, Maxam, Monolith, Magneto, Nate Grey and Iceman (which you wouldn't), what suggests that would overwhelm Thanos?
Well let's see, Drax has killed Thanos, Maxam and Monolith are top tier class 100s, Magneto and company are great distractors that can throw him off balance.
As for any of the powerhouses soloing Adam... crylaugh
I know, those class 40 bricks are dangerous 😱
Lol Iceman would smash Warlock without his gem, let alone the stronger members of the group.
Current Drax has TP resistance as well
Lol everyone and their mother can resist current Moondragon.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
The only ones immune are Maxam (who, IIRC, lost that immunity when he gained the time gem) and maybe Thanos (I've never seen him go up against this much telepathy, or heard of this immunity outside the net).
Also...
Just a Thanos avatar... but I felt it had some bearing.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/xha98_p22.jpg
*not counting times he shrugged of TP of course, or the time he had Galactus down in an astral battle... lulz*
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Plus, even if Iceman can unsupportedly freeze Thanos's innards...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ThanosQuest1-10.jpg
More specifically...
I'd say getting turned into a crystal (whole body, insides, etc) is akin to getting frozen...
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Also, what exactly do you base current Moondragon being weak off of?
I'd answer more, but quite frankly... it's not worth it. 😬 Judging Warlock based off of your own view of his strength? Lulz.
Originally posted by Joey StacksNo. You say "this person could be beaten by Team 1", and act as if the entire team beating on one person is justification for Team 1 winning.
Oh, you mean the fact that you made up.
See: your reasoning behind Thanos, Adam Warlock, Moondragon and well... pretty much the entire IW, as we're assuming this is all one battle and Team 1 is supposed to take down all of the IW at once.
Originally posted by Joey StacksFirst off, I didn't list that as a fact, I listed it as a possibility. If you're going to be condescending, do it properly.
Sure, the telepaths could gain up on Moondragon, but in the precious seconds they use to do that, Thanos/Adam/Maxam/Drax annihilate them.Who said they will gang up on Moondragon? Another made up fact? Jean Grey, hell, TO Cable could take Moondragon's telepathy. Unless you want to cling to showings from 20 years ago, or when she had her gem.
Secondly, I was under the assumption that these are characters as portrayed back at their IW levels. Seeing as they were originally supposed to have their gems and all.
Originally posted by Joey StacksHe doesn't need to be a telepathic tank to resist telepathy.The only person you could argue strong enough to resist a combined TP assault from X-Man, Prof X, Jean Grey and Cable is Warlock (and that's using inconclusive showings based on safeguards he put on the mind gem, which if he were such a telepathic tank, he wouldn't need to put safeguards on in the first place).
And if the mind gem has the potential to shit all over what the team 1 telepaths can ever dream of achieving, so putting safeguards would make sense. Unless you honestly think resisting the X-Men = resisting the mind gem, wielded competently.
Originally posted by Joey StacksI doubt that Magneto's shields would hold up long enough for Thanos to lose, even if this was all on one.
and Thanos can just blast them to pieces while they struggle. As could Adam.I doubt Thanos could blast through Magneto's shields as easily as you are insuating.
Warlock is most definately not doing shit and will get worked by anyone above Iceman.
Originally posted by Joey StacksThanos's molecular manipulation... 😬
Try to freeze the innards of someone who's powers allow him to resist a black hole? LulzWhat does resisting a black hole have to do with having your innards freezing?
Originally posted by Joey StacksWhen Thanos wasn't even bothering to fight back, Drax killed him. A version of Drax that with all probability, isn't in this.
Even if you HAD Drax, Maxam, Monolith, Magneto, Nate Grey and Iceman (which you wouldn't), what suggests that would overwhelm Thanos?Well let's see, Drax has killed Thanos, Maxam and Monolith are top tier class 100s, Magneto and company are great distractors that can throw him off balance.
Magneto and company get one-shotted.
Thanos then takes out the bricks, either through physical combat or BFR.
Originally posted by Joey StacksNot bothering to address this... you'll just blindly argue that Adam Warlock is Iron-Man level.
As for any of the powerhouses soloing Adam... crylaugh
And that Iceman wields his powers with competency.
Lulz.
Originally posted by Joey StacksOK. 🙂
Funny how Slappy fist or whatever is quick to argue, lol.Why not post the rest of the scan where he believes he's killing Warlock?
Her terrible showings during Annihilation.
Also, if your thinking what I think you're thinking, then you're wrong. Moondragon inserted a program inside Maxam's head while he was vulnerable to telepathy, that then played out the battle in his mind.
Like what?
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
No. You say "this person could be beaten by Team 1", and act as if the entire team beating on one person is justification for Team 1 winning.
No, that's stuff you made up.
See: your reasoning behind Thanos, Adam Warlock, Moondragon and well... pretty much the entire IW, as we're assuming this is all one battle and Team 1 is supposed to take down all of the IW at once.
My reasoning? That Prof X, Jean Grey, Cable and X-Man (all psychics who have worked with each other in the past) will, upon seeing the forces they are fighting, synch up and unleash psionic hell upon the other team behind shielding from Mags reinforced by Polaris and Iceman?
Which will leave you with Thanos, Maxam, and MAYBE Warlock.
First off, I didn't list that as a fact, I listed it as a possibility.
And your possibility is based on a Moondragon we haven't seen for about 20 years as you'd be hard press to argue her more potent then even 90's Cable.
Secondly, I was under the assumption that these are characters as portrayed back at their IW levels.
Yeah and I was under the assumption that you always use the most current and relevant versions.
Seeing as they were originally supposed to have their gems and all.
Oh really?
"Edit.
They don't have their gems for this fight" - Topic Creator
And if the mind gem has the potential to shit all over what the team 1 telepaths can ever dream of achieving
Potential? You want to talk potential against 3 potentially Phoenix-level entities? You want to show something Moondragon even did with her TP that would put her above these 4 combined?
Hell what did Moondragon even do that peak Nate by himself couldn't?
Point blank Warlock is vulnerable to TP, which means that these 4 will peel him like an orange (unless you want to post something that suggests he can resist these 4).
Unless you honestly think resisting the X-Men = resisting the mind gem, wielded competently.
Potential? You want to talk potential against 3 potentially Phoenix-level entities?
I doubt that Magneto's shields would hold up long enough for Thanos to lose, even if this was all on one.
It doesn't need to hold up long enough for Thanos to lose, just for 4 of the most potent telepaths in comics to pick apart a Moondragon who was maybe 1/100th of what she was and a bunch of TP defenseless beings.
Thanos's molecular manipulation... 😬
Which will create an opening for a heavyhitter to score a critical hit. Maybe Drax rips Thanos's jaw off?
When Thanos wasn't even bothering to fight back, Drax killed him.
Which Drax will have plenty of oppurtunity to do with a team as versatile as this with a couple of heavy hitters.
Magneto and company get one-shotted.
Yeah if they try to go direct and fight THANOS like idiots.
Thanos then takes out the bricks, either through physical combat or BFR.
I'd like to see Thanos take out Living Monolith with a miriad of X-men and Godslayer wielding Gamora and Drax coming for his throat.
Not bothering to address this... you'll just blindly argue that Adam Warlock is Iron-Man level.
And you'll blindly dispute this fact.
And that Iceman wields his powers with competency.
Your sarcasm would mean something
15 years ago.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
OK. 🙂
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/WarlockandtheInfinityWatch042-11.jpgAlso, if your thinking what I think you're thinking, then you're wrong. Moondragon inserted a program inside Maxam's head [b]while
he was vulnerable to telepathy, that then played out the battle in his mind.Like what? [/B]
Kool, all that means is Maxam is immune to telepathy, which was in my opening post.
🙂
Originally posted by Joey StacksWhich includes another psychic at some of her most powerful levels, and multiple characters with immunities or resistances that The 12, in all likelihood, don't know about, and will spend time grappling with? That's who they'll unleash "psionic hell" on?
No, that's stuff you made up.
See: your reasoning behind Thanos, Adam Warlock, Moondragon and well... pretty much the entire IW, as we're assuming this is all one battle and Team 1 is supposed to take down all of the IW at once.My reasoning? That Prof X, Jean Grey, Cable and X-Man (all psychics who have worked with each other in the past) will, upon seeing the forces they are fighting, synch up and unleash psionic hell upon the other team behind shielding from Mags reinforced by Polaris and Iceman?
In the meantime, Thanos pours into Mag's shield, and then blasts them all.
Additionally, because you incorrectly think a lot of them can take down Thanos if working together, you think they can take down Thanos, Maxam and Warlock together.
Which just proves my original point.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks90's Cable's best feats weren't even offensive. Hell, 90's Cable virtually had no offensive feats.
First off, I didn't list that as a fact, I listed it as a possibility.And your possibility is based on a Moondragon we haven't seen for about 20 years as you'd be hard press to argue her more potent then even 90's Cable.
And my possibility stands, with or without Moondragon... she's hardly the main point in this battle. Thanos could destroy the 12 by himself, so it hardly matters.
Originally posted by Joey StacksSilly me to assume that characters listed under "The Infinity Watch" are reffering to their Infinity Watch versions.
Secondly, I was under the assumption that these are characters as portrayed back at their IW levels.Yeah and I was under the assumption that you always use the most current and relevant versions.
Originally posted by Joey StacksWhich would be why I said "originally"... as in, prior to edit.Seeing as they were originally supposed to have their gems and all.
Oh really?
"Edit.
They don't have their gems for this fight" - Topic Creator
Yes. Because they would normally have their gems for this fight, hence the clarification, because it was logical to think that Infinity Watch versions of Infinity Watch characters would have the gems.
Originally posted by Joey StacksWay to completely miss the point.
And if the mind gem has the potential to shit all over what the team 1 telepaths can ever dream of achievingPotential? You want to talk potential against 3 potentially Phoenix-level entities? You want to show something Moondragon even did with her TP that would put her above these 4 combined?
The point was it was logical for a safeguard to be placed on something that powerful, regardless of Moondragon or not. And, those three only have the potential to harness an outside force of awesome power. They don't reach that themselves.
Originally posted by Joey StacksAgain, that's completely irrelevant.
Unless you honestly think resisting the X-Men = resisting the mind gem, wielded competently.Potential? You want to talk potential against 3 potentially Phoenix-level entities?
Originally posted by Joey StacksAs we've established, they're not TP defenseless, Moondragon is most likely her most powerful version, and Thanos could take the team by himself, so it's irrelevant.
I doubt that Magneto's shields would hold up long enough for Thanos to lose, even if this was all on one.It doesn't need to hold up long enough for Thanos to lose, just for 4 of the most potent telepaths in comics to pick apart a Moondragon who was maybe 1/100th of what she was and a bunch of TP defenseless beings.
Originally posted by Joey StacksMaybe Adam Warlock takes out Drax long before he accomplishes anything?
Thanos's molecular manipulation... 😬
Which will create an opening for a heavyhitter to score a critical hit. Maybe Drax rips Thanos's jaw off?
Originally posted by Joey StacksA team as versatile as this?
When Thanos wasn't even bothering to fight back, Drax killed him.Which Drax will have plenty of oppurtunity to do with a team as versatile as this with a couple of heavy hitters.
You have a bunch of useless telepaths, Iceman, and a couple Cl. 100's... actually, just Monolith, really.
So, what, Iceman and Monolith vs. Thanos? Lulz.
Magneto "and company" get oneshotted, unless they spend their time hiding behind a shield... which removes them from the fight anyways. Besides, Magneto gets finished when Thanos decides to kill him while his allies struggle with Thanos' mind... as we've already established.
Drax and Gamora ain't worth shit in this fight. They both get taken out by Adam Warlock and Maxam.
Originally posted by Joey StacksYou doubt he could, especially with two herald levelers by his side?
Magneto and company get one-shotted.Yeah if they try to go direct and fight THANOS like idiots.
Thanos then takes out the bricks, either through physical combat or BFR.
I'd like to see Thanos take out Living Monolith with a miriad of X-men and Godslayer wielding Gamora and Drax coming for his throat.
Magneto died back at the beginning of the game.
Thanos can also call up a personal, body-tight forcefield... as he did when he fought Odin (iirc). I'd like to see Living Monolith get a "critical hit" through that.
Originally posted by Joey StacksLulz at your opinion of AW...
Not bothering to address this... you'll just blindly argue that Adam Warlock is Iron-Man level.And you'll blindly dispute this fact.
And that Iceman wields his powers with competency.
Your sarcasm would mean something
15 years ago.
As for Iceman, he still doesn't do anything to make him worth recognition in a fight vs. Thanos. And Maxam. And Adam Warlock. He's about as useless as Magneto's corpse is.
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Which includes another psychic at some of her most powerful levels, and multiple characters with immunities or resistances that The 12, in all likelihood, don't know about, and will spend time grappling with? That's who they'll unleash "psionic hell" on?[/i]
They'll unleash Psionic hell on the watch. Gamora, Drax, Pip, Moondragon and possibly Warlock will all fall to this. The more notable ones (Drax and Gamora) will be taken under the big 4's thrall and forced to fight their comrades.
PS:
"(ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it'll be assumed that it's the current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on)." - the rules
No, posting the team name does not mean this is the version we are using, at least to the common sense having posters.
And I don't see the thread starter saying Pre-Mind Gem/Mind Gem Moondragon. But nice semantics try though
Not really.
In the meantime, Thanos pours into Mag's shield, and then blasts them all.
Awesome, have Thanos divert his attention away from his partners getting mindraped, makes it that much sweeter when Drax puts his hand through his chest again (let's be honest, I don't think X would have any qualms ordering Drax to kill THANOS).
Additionally, because you correctly think a lot of them can take down Thanos if working together,
Fixed your typo.
you think they can take down Thanos, Maxam and Warlock together.
Are you kidding? Nate Grey can put down a gemless Warlock by himself, Jean Grey could put down a gemless Warlock by herself (especially a Warlock that just got dog piled on the psychic plane), ef a Nate. And I'm pretty sure Gamora (who's under someone's thrall) won't even need to be ordered to kill Maxam with the quickness. Meanwhile everyone else is out waging holy jihad against Thanos.
Which just proves my original point.
The made up facts?
90's Cable's best feats weren't even offensive. Hell, 90's Cable virtually had no offensive feats.
Putting down Hulk is pretty elite company. X has just recently said he couldn't do it his damn self. 🙂
And my possibility stands, with or without Moondragon... she's hardly the main point in this battle.
Concession accepted.
Thanos could destroy the 12 by himself, so it hardly matters.
Sure, if they fought him like idiots using direct combat, but if they actually worked as a team? Much more often then not it's a no bueno.
Silly me to assume that characters listed under "The Infinity Watch" are reffering to their Infinity Watch versions.
"(ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it'll be assumed that it's the current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on)."
Silly me for following the rules. 😮
Which would be why I said "originally"... as in, prior to edit.
The edit to me shows clarification, since everyone thought Thanos would get a reality gem. Oh
Yes. Because they would normally have their gems for this fight, hence the clarification,
No they wouldn't, outside of Warlock, none of them have had their gems
for oh about 15 years.
because it was logical to think that Infinity Watch versions of Infinity Watch characters would have the gems.
I don't see Infinty Watch versions anywhere, just Infinity Watch, which happens to be the team name of this group of people. "Versions" is just what "StyleSmurph" sees on his version of KMC.
The point was it was logical for a safeguard to be placed on something that powerful, regardless of Moondragon or not. And, those three only have the potential to harness an outside force of awesome power. They don't reach that themselves.
Kinda like Moondragon with her mind gem. 🙂
Again, that's completely irrelevant.
Just fun facts refuting stuff you brought up 🙂.
Moondragon is most likely her most powerful version, and Thanos could take the team by himself,
Not to anyone with sense.
Oh and Moondragon was more powerful w/o the gem then with? News!
Maybe Adam Warlock takes out Drax long before he accomplishes anything?
Class 40-gemless Warlock would be lucky to give Rasputin a fight, let alone friggin Drax, cuts through annihilation ships like hot butter, the Destroyer.
You have a bunch of useless telepaths,
Who have just dominated your team.
Iceman,
Glad I've shown you that Bobby "wields his powers with competency."
Oops it was sarcasm when you said it.
and a couple Cl. 100's... actually, just Monolith, really.
And Nate Grey and Drax (should he be amped by Teke from one of my USELESS TELEPATHS lulz) oooo and a amped Gamora (who is about class 80 base more help from USELESS TELEPATHS)
So, what, Iceman and Monolith vs. Thanos? Lulz.
And Magneto. And Nate. And Gamora. And Drax. And Cable (how's Thanos's cyberpathy resistance). And Rasputin. And Polaris.
Ooh we got a Thanos slaying army.
Magneto "and company" get oneshotted,
That's if Thanos can get to them through the shielding and army of pipe hitters. 🙂
unless they spend their time hiding behind a shield
Magneto can't multi-task?
Besides, Magneto gets finished when Thanos decides to kill him while his allies struggle with Thanos' mind... as we've already established.
What have we established? A young Nate Grey infiltrated Thanos's (oops I mean Thanos clone, and based on context, a more powerful one at that) mind with no problems (while he was in another dimension at that) and was scared? I doubt he'll be scared with his mother, Chuck and kinda twin there guiding him
oh and being more experienced.
Drax and Gamora ain't worth shit in this fight. They both get taken out by Adam Warlock and Maxam.
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Current Gamora could likely solo anybody with the Godslayer.
So now that you've actually done some thought on the subject and realised how foolish your first post was and how close the fight is Gamora "ain't worth shit in this fight" when I can use her. Goody. 🙂
Oh and trust me when I say
the only thing Adam Warlock brings to this fight
is cunning
but there is no complex plans here, he's too outgunned and had NO prep and is already down to two people he doesn't really trust.
You doubt he could, especially with two herald levelers by his side?
Adam Warlock - soul gem < Herald level
Both of whom have been subdued.
Magneto died back at the beginning of the game.
I know, we've already established that the most logical action taken by Magneto is to fight Thanos man to man, especially given how notoriously powerful Thanos is. Because he just rolls like that.
Thanos can also call up a personal, body-tight forcefield... as he did
Why would he have to? He easily beats this team. 🙂
when he fought Odin (iirc). I'd like to see Living Monolith get a "critical hit" through that.
This is where I would post a scan of Drax piercing Thanos's heart followed by two of these 🙂 smileys, fortunately for you, I don't really care enough about this argument to do such.
Lulz at your opinion of AW...
Is it as funny as my argument which you feel is valid enough to take time out your day to respond to?
But educate me, how's Adam Warlock putting down anyone above Iceman without the soul gem.
As for Iceman, he still doesn't do anything to make him worth recognition in a fight vs. Thanos.
I imagine freezing his innards and general durability would allow him to annoy Thanos at least allowing a big hitter to get a good shot in, especially when the best defense for this attack is Thanos being warped into various shapes by the In-Betweener's magic. 🙂
And Maxam. And Adam Warlock.
Have both been butt burned multiple times, we know.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Wait, you're saying that Warlock, who stalemated Thor, is Iron-Man level?
Same Warlock who got chumped (he's never stalemated Thor, boy) by Thor WITH the Surfer AND Soul Gem
and a boulder to the head.
Btw Iron Man has a legit W over Thor
what about Warlock?
