Well, your belief in torture as a means to an end, does denote you as being somewhat blind in terms of your inability to see the hypocrisy of such a view.
The very nature of a debate means that if I don't agree with your opinion, I'm going to argue against it. Your posts have lacked reason, so it has been them that I've criticized. It's ironic that you made light out of the examples of mental torture I have highlighted, yet you can't tolerate an attack on your beliefs.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Well, your belief in torture as a means to an end, does denote you as being somewhat blind in terms of your inability to see the hypocrisy of such a view.
pb]The very nature of a debate means that if I don't agree with your opinion, I'm going to argue against it. Your posts have lacked reason, so it has been them that I've criticized. It's ironic that you made light out of the examples of mental torture I have highlighted, yet you can't tolerate an attack on your beliefs. [/B]
Hell, I can't even just completely flame you and be a total dick, as that's "against the rules" (and by the way, i've lurked, and it's VERY bias and VERY unreliable these "rules"..) So in a way, you're worst then anything our goverment could do, because terrorists still have the option to retaliate, because it takes place in rl, where we have alot more at our disposal, where as here, I'm at the mercy of anyone who can lock an account, who clearly are more friendly towards you then I, which means, you get away with alot more then I could, and you take advantage. Some example, some all wonderful hero you turned out to be, go ahead and deny it, I don't care, anything you say or do will only further convince me i'm in the right.
I just wish it was all in real-life, then you'd know how to respect another individual, suddenly you'd remember what a real debate is, and not personal attacks.
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
But I don't care that it's hypocritical, I know it is, I embrace it.
So, you're a hypocrite. I'm glad we've cleared that one up.
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
No, it's not ironic, it's not a matter of if I can take it, it's a matter of I shouldn't have to, I shouldn't have to tolerate your mouth, just as I expect toture victims to fight back, resist, or refuse to speak, (which encourages more toture, but thems the breaks) I should be able to punch you in the face to get you to quit bashing me, but I can't, cause it's over the net.
You're wrong, it is ironic. If you feel you 'shouldn't have to' tolerate a dissection of your opinion, then you shouldn't submit it on a public discussion forum. I find it highly amusing that someone who displays such waifer-think skin should be a staunch supporter of torture. It's hilarious. Your idle threats regarding punching me in the face are equally laughable. Grow up, dear boy. We're not in the school playground anymore...
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
Hell, I can't even just completely flame you and be a total dick, as that's "against the rules" (and by the way, i've lurked, and it's VERY bias and VERY unreliable these "rules"..) So in a way, you're worst then anything our goverment could do, because terrorists still have the option to retaliate, because it takes place in rl, where we have alot more at our disposal, where as here, I'm at the mercy of anyone who can lock an account, who clearly are more friendly towards you then I, which means, you get away with alot more then I could, and you take advantage. Some example, some all wonderful hero you turned out to be, go ahead and deny it, I don't care, anything you say or do will only further convince me i'm in the right.I just wish it was all in real-life, then you'd know how to respect another individual, suddenly you'd remember what a real debate is, and not personal attacks.
All of your crying about "It's not fair...", etc. just substantiates my view of you even further. I've detailed my rejections of your posts, but all you've done is cry about it. Get yourself a tissue and live to fight another day, Bruiser...
I'm done with this topic, obviously I'm not dealing with people but vultures, you may have "won" because you've managed to piss me off, but I think i've won in the sense I've proved you to be just as big a butthole as the American goverment you seem to dislike so much.
You should consider working for them you know how to be a completely heartless prick.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
May have won? Don't let people piss you off to the point of hipocrisy. Because, in all honesty, there are few people who are capable of doing such things. The point was likely hipocritical to begin with.
But he is nothing but a bully, and sense I'm new, (and not exactly in the majority here on my opinion) i'm in no position to get snotty.. It's deffinitely a lose-lose, I have to be the bigger man and just concede.
And I hate being the bigger man. 😛
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
I'm done with this topic, obviously I'm not dealing with people but vultures, you may have "won" because you've managed to piss me off, but I think i've won in the sense I've proved you to be just as big a butthole as the American goverment you seem to dislike so much.You should consider working for them you know how to be a completely heartless prick.
Let's check this out:
You say torture is acceptable.
You say "those who would dub such things "toture" have never left thier house.(sic)"
You are inable to accept criticism.
You complain at the slightest bit of provocation.
You congratulate the US government for doing some despicable things for the 'greater good'.
You then liken the US government to a 'big butthole' and 'heartless pricks'.
Then, after all these inconsistencies, you complain some more about people being vultures? We're not vultures, we're just people who have seen an example of great ignorance and hypocrisy, and embarrassed it (you) into a retreat. It seems to me that you're the one not living in the real world...
Suck it up, Petal. If you spout crap, you at least need to be able to offer a defense of it when others catch drift of the smell.
Hack, you are obviously full of shit because you obviously have no concept of real pain.
I can honestly say that I do, both emotionally and physically, probably a lot more than most people know so your support of torture to satiate your own twisted sense of justice/sadistic tendancies is very disturbing.
Any torture is wrong, so I vote no. What makes anyone think that they will gain information by torturing someone? These terrorists are not going to speak, they are not going to tell you what you want to hear, so torturing them is pointless.
I believe even suspected terrorists have a right to all the human rights we enjoy. As these people have not been convicted of a crime, under law, they are innocent. Why then, is it acceptable to torture these people, but if I were to pick someone at random and torture them, I'd be arrested and charged?