Canonically, Malak only has one confirmed extra life. For all we know, Revan drained the remaining Jedi from their slumber! And where was it said SPECIFICALLY that Malak's powers were substantially increased on the Star Forge?
The Rakatan computer states that the Star Forge is full of the force of an entire race and its technology. Malak later tells Revan that the true power of the Star Forge is from its ability to strengthen any force user powerful enough to wield it. He was described as being unstoppable with it.
Malachor is full of useful tidbits of Sith lore, that's true. But Kun had access to Sadow's and Nadd's stash of information. We don't know how great the knowledge on Malachor was anyways. Controlling the Star Forge only makes him more powerful than Council Members, who are potentially as weak as Coleman Trebor. Still leagues below DE Sidious.
We know that it was great enough for Traya to learn or at least gain enough knowledge to develop her instantkill. The Star Forge is an ANCIENT artifact, before Marka Ragnos created by a race so powerful in the force that they they based their entire technology and civilization on it. Malak being able to control such a device is damn powerful. At least on par with Sidious.
No defence? Unproven statement. It kills three powerful masters, but ROTS Sidious did that too, with his saber, in seconds. Now, does that mean he can saberape everyone? No. We've only seen the instakill being used once. This is like saying Vader's force choke has no defence, because no Admiral ever resisted it.
Unproven except in KOTOR 2, where it says "there are techniques in the force from which there is no defence." It is stated specifically in game that there is no defence. We have seen force choke resisted, many times. Palpatine disposed of those council members mostly from surprise, and secondly because they were pitiful weaklings. We saw Mundi taken down by 10 troopers, that is how powerful the PT council is.
Now, where are you getting this from? More raw force strength? Intelligence? Overall talent? When has Revan ever demonstrated being far stronger than Traya? Never. It was not because of Revan that the Jedi in KOTOR fell, it was due to a number of things:
When has Revan admitted? His contemporaries admit it by the way they speak of him, with clear admission of his superiority. Arguably the most powerful character of KOTOR 2 admits that Revan is far more powerful than she is.
(40 years prior)
The Freedon Nadd uprising, the Sith War
The Mandalorian Wars
The Second Sith War (Revan)
Sion's Assasination group
A couple more things I might be forgetting.
The Freedon Nadd uprising and Sith War were not of the KOTOR era. Revan corrupted those of the KOTOR era. They all followed Revan to the Mandalorian Wars and ultimately fell at Malachor. Sion's assasination group was a result of Malak being defeated and Revan becoming a Jedi. It was not a significant source of Jedi falling to the darkside, because Sion himself stated that his only pleasure comes from killing Jedi.
He has never accomplished anything near the greatness of Sids (having all Jedi destroyed and conning the galaxy).
That is partly because Revan became a Jedi. Jedi don't do that type of stuff 😉
Those force storms are small sparks compared to Sidious' power.
Yea, having powers that are described as "calling lightning from the sky" are sparks. 😕
Frying a few primitives is not impressive at all. And if he had the power to create uber Force Storms, he would have created them.
Right so he could destroy the Republic infrastructure? Force storm can also be resisted. It took DE Luke and Leia to withstand his power if I recall, and Revan is certainly more powerful, having defeated an "unstoppable" Malak powered by the Force of an entire race.
Oh gee, biased old Kreia. Notice how she was the only one to describe him like this, even though there were others who were closer to him and knew him more after the mindwipe.
Biased Kreia? Sion also describes Revan as the only one who could "mend a fractured galaxy." Malak described him in the end as being far powerful than he was. Basically the whole order seemed to revere him.
The Ancient Sith are a bunch of wimps now for all we know (like the Rakata). After the Hyperspace War alot of stuff was lost. We have no clue how powerful they are now.
The Ancient Sith basically included figures such as Ragnos, Kressh, and Sadow. Wimps, hardly.
The Rakatan computer states that the Star Forge is full of the force of an entire race and its technology. Malak later tells Revan that the true power of the Star Forge is from its ability to strengthen any force user powerful enough to wield it. He was described as being unstoppable with it.
Ah, but he never claims to have harnessed all the power in The Star Forge. "Unstoppable" to whom? Zhar? Bastila?
The Star Forge is an ANCIENT artifact, before Marka Ragnos created by a race so powerful in the force that they they based their entire technology and civilization on it. Malak being able to control such a device is damn powerful. At least on par with Sidious.
Ancient doesn't equal powerful. And you're plain wrong, the Star Forge was CONSTRUCTED at the peak of the Rakatan Empire. The Rakata Empire, although terribly miniscule at 500 Star Systems, was already at it's peak when the Star Forge was constructed. Their civilization revolved around it for a time, it did not bring them to their prime. It made ships and droids. It helped destroyed them. Malak being able to harness the power of the Star Forge did boost his power, but it's never specified by how much. And yes, Malak would be on par with ROTS Sidious at this point for sure.
When has Revan admitted? His contemporaries admit it by the way they speak of him, with clear admission of his superiority. Arguably the most powerful character of KOTOR 2 admits that Revan is far more powerful than she is.
Coming from this one, biased source. Kreia's statements are still unproven.
Unproven except in KOTOR 2, where it says "there are techniques in the force from which there is no defence." It is stated specifically in game that there is no defence. We have seen force choke resisted, many times.
Again, you're using simply using 'statements'. The people in KOTOR times don't have unlimited knowledge of the Force, they may not know it can be resisted, or they're simply judging from the one single showcase. Sidious was described several times as a divinity, "faster than the eye can see" and the most powerful Sith Lord ever. However, I dismiss these statements because they're unproven.
The Freedon Nadd uprising and Sith War were not of the KOTOR era.
40 years prior. Same time period, some same Jedi. People like Vodo, Nomi etc could have easily survived to the KotOR era.
And no, Revan did not corrupt all those people, he basically started a chain reaction that screwed the Jedi Council.
Yea, having powers that are described as "calling lightning from the sky" are sparks. confused
Compared to the size of Palpy's force storms, they are.
Right so he could destroy the Republic infrastructure? Force storm can also be resisted. It took DE Luke and Leia to withstand his power if I recall, and Revan is certainly more powerful, having defeated an "unstoppable" Malak powered by the Force of an entire race.
Of course they can be resisted! But he doesn't have to be killing Jedi now does he? Frying thousands of republic ships should do the trick.
And DE Luke, DE Leia, and DE Jacen Solo managed to resist through a technique called "Force Illumination" where it combined all three's Force Potential to one person. That was like, 3x Skywalkers. Since Revan's alone in this fight, Illumination won't help him.
Sion also describes Revan as the only one who could "mend a fractured galaxy." Malak described him in the end as being far powerful than he was. Basically the whole order seemed to revere him.
What the heck does that even mean anyways? "Mend a fractured galaxy"? Sounds like he was a great leader. And yes, Malak did describe Revan as more powerful the second time around, but last I checked he didn't specify by how much.
The Ancient Sith basically included figures such as Ragnos, Kressh, and Sadow. Wimps, hardly.
Weren't those the Ancient Sith before the Great Hyperspace War, when they lost a shitload of knowledge? Yeah. Although in all likelyhood they are powerful, everyone's scared of them apparently, they could be the Rakata 2: Uber at first, falls (Hyperspace War), then descend to primitiveness.
AS far as we know, the Ancient Sith are long dead, so how is Revan even going to contend with the Ancient Sith
Zephiel, you argue with no logical reasoning, you provide biase quotes from Kreia, and whilst Kun has been crowned by the Ancient Sith, Revan is not even recognised by them.
Reason being that its very likely Kun exceeds Revan in both potential and knowledge. Revan craved knowledge, but by the time he came about, the destructive knowledge that most of the Ancient Sith were lost, examples that are left are the instakill and thats about it. All Sith Alchemy and Knowledge became lost, Malachor V, did not hold half as much as Yavin 4, nor Korriban which most of the Sith that preceded Kun had looted.
Unless, you can provide solid proof that Revan had any shred of knowledge that would enable to him to perform feats on par with Kun, your points are moot. Remember that also the strongest Sith, reside as spirits where they died, inclusive of Kun and the Ancients, however Revan has not the power to attain such a form.
Zephiel, you argue with no logical reasoning, you provide biase quotes from Kreia, and whilst Kun has been crowned by the Ancient Sith, Revan is not even recognised by them.
This is wrong, Revan is described as a Sith Lord on the website, kinda like the Narrator and when the game starts. Before you even move, this is not a gameplay element this is a story element and the only way you can become a Sith Lord is if your crowned as one, so Revan was crowned a Sith Lord...
Reason being that its very likely Kun exceeds Revan in both potential and knowledge. Revan craved knowledge, but by the time he came about, the destructive knowledge that most of the Ancient Sith were lost, examples that are left are the instakill and thats about it. All Sith Alchemy and Knowledge became lost, Malachor V, did not hold half as much as Yavin 4, nor Korriban which most of the Sith that preceded Kun had looted.
Most of the Sith before Kun looted Korriban? Where do you get that from, first time I heard it.
Also Yavin IV had the remnants of Sadow his knowledge the little bit of knowledge he would have taken with him on his ship, Malachor V is described as a planet sized storehouse of ancient Sith knowledge, that would be a bit more then Yavin... Don't forget Korriban, I would say Revan had acces to a hell of a lot more knowledge then Kun. And again The instakill technique can not be learned.
Neither Revan nor Kreia, nor the Exile nor Nihilus learned that technique, three of them for some reason could use it. But they never learned it there.
Unless, you can provide solid proof that Revan had any shred of knowledge that would enable to him to perform feats on par with Kun, your points are moot. Remember that also the strongest Sith, reside as spirits where they died, inclusive of Kun and the Ancients, however Revan has not the power to attain such a form.
Do you have any evidence for that? Kun never really died he just removed his spirit from his body using a strange ritual with the power of all the Massassi on Yavin. The ancients were indeed spirits, but so was Obi Wan, so was Anakin, Yoda... I wouldn't say it takes a lot to beocme a spirit, just that it takes a lot of power to stay one. And seeing as Revan his life isn't finished yet, we couldn't safely say what the hell happened.