Thing vs Colossus

Started by psycho gundam35 pages
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colossus +'s
-faster
-very durable
-no need to breathe, eat in armoured form
-on a team with the likes of wolverine, shadaowcat, nightcrawler, and the beast. so sparring partners are a good challenge and a learning experience
-athletic prowess increases in armoured form
-extensive danger room training
-strong bloodline(this does count)

thing +'s
-"expert" street fighter even before empowerment
-high durability
-low center of gravity, good balance
-godlike fighting spirit, won't go down easy to say the least
-fought the hulk numerous times
-won't hesitate to ko an opponent from jump
-trained to recognize his own weaknesses and builds on them mid battle

i give it to the thing due to his experience and toughness. piotr will give him a good fight but imo he will go down hard from things boxing skills.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by spidey-dude
colossus 100 thing 80 how would thing win ?
I believe Ben is more then Class 80. I've seen scans of Sasquatch clearly referring to Thing as his physical superior in 'Infinity Crusade.' Also, in Avengers: The Initiative #5 or #6, Thing is helping train the rookies at Camp Hammond and Justice (Vance Astro) refers to it as Class 100 training. I'd take an in-comic reference as a Class 100 over a handbook anyday.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
colossus +'s
-faster
-very durable
-no need to breathe, eat in armoured form
-on a team with the likes of wolverine, shadaowcat, nightcrawler, and the beast. so sparring partners are a good challenge and a learning experience
-athletic prowess increases in armoured form
-extensive danger room training
-strong bloodline(this does count)

thing +'s
-"expert" street fighter even before empowerment
-high durability
-low center of gravity, good balance
-godlike fighting spirit, won't go down easy to say the least
-fought the hulk numerous times
-won't hesitate to ko an opponent from jump
-trained to recognize his own weaknesses and builds on them mid battle

i give it to the thing due to his experience and toughness. piotr will give him a good fight but imo he will go down hard from things boxing skills.

Co-signed up until the result. In my humble opinion, I think Thing's heart and fighting spirit equalize Colossus' slight advantages in durability and speed.

I'd throw them a split 5/10.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

IMO Thing wins 6/10, it just seems to me Thing has fought tougher opponents.

Also when people say that somebody is class 85 or 70 its just seems to me that it indicates that its just a lower class 100 rank, he people in class 25 could probably lift a 100 tons but it would much less than somebody who is class 80.

Raoul Hey Yo!

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I believe Ben is more then Class 80. I've seen scans of Sasquatch clearly referring to Thing as his physical superior in 'Infinity Crusade.' Also, in Avengers: The Initiative #5 or #6, Thing is helping train the rookies at Camp Hammond and Justice (Vance Astro) refers to it as Class 100 training. I'd take an in-comic reference as a Class 100 over a handbook anyday.
Co-signed up until the result. In my humble opinion, I think Thing's heart and fighting spirit equalize Colossus' slight advantages in durability and speed.

I'd throw them a split 5/10.

heart? honestly? even if that was a deciding factor, this is colossus... he has more heart and spirit than most x-men combined...

Phantom Zone Junior Member
Originally posted by Raoul
heart? honestly? even if that was a deciding factor, this is colossus... he has more heart and spirit than most x-men combined...

Is that greaters than Things? Thing is ugly but he still chooses to be good, hell Rogue thought he was a Toad. Its easy to have heart when your tall and good looking, one of the reasons why Wolverine can be a jerk is that he has a complex.

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Not really. Ben got one-shotted. Hulk even broke Thing's ribs before he was powered up iirc and in Hard Knocks he put Bens arm in a sling. Colossus lasted a few minutes in his fight. Sure, he had Beast and Emma backing him up but those two are small fries compared to Hulk and Colossus as far as power goes.
No matter how you look at it getting one-shotted is not doing better than somebody lasting minutes in the fight. Looking at it from a 'real' fight perspective the very first punch Hulk threw connected and ended the fight. Hulk was shown taking multiple swings at Colossus. Some weren't shown to connect and some where, but the ones that were shown to connect didn't keep him down or seem to do any damage. Granted Beast and Emma were there but that's the equivalent of having a couple 2 year olds getting your back strength wise. Human Torch just got done blasting Hulk with a nova before Ben fought him and I think he was still smoldering. Human Torch's blast>>>>>>>Beast & Emma's punches.

And yes Hulk broke Thing's ribs right before they shipped him off the planet in the ship. And that was a weaker version of Hulk who did that. And I do recall Things arm in a sling during the Hard Knocks mini but don't remember the circumstances.

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I also don't think heart and spirit will come into play here or be the deciding factor. Both of these guys have alot of determination. Colossus put himself in harms way even knowing there was a high risk of death numersous times and even stated more than once he'll fight until his dying breath.

And then there is the Legacy Virus deal that Ben cannot touch.

ultimatethor Senior Member

I say collossus wins this. IMO he is stronger and faster and more durable than thing and while thing does have the heart and spirit of a great fighter collossus has recieved extensive danger room training and is probably also a better fighter. Collossus 7/10

Phantom Zone Junior Member
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I also don't think heart and spirit will come into play here or be the deciding factor. Both of these guys have alot of determination. Colossus put himself in harms way even knowing there was a high risk of death numersous times and even stated more than once he'll fight until his dying breath.

Bro you havent given any good example of determination, lots of superheros will fight to they're dying breath. What sets Thing aprt from Collsus imo is that he faces much tougher opponents.

Originally posted by snoopdogg

And then there is the Legacy Virus deal that Ben cannot touch.

Dont know what thats all about.

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bro you havent given any good example of determination, lots of superheros will fight to they're dying breath. What sets Thing aprt from Collsus imo is that he faces much tougher opponents.
A good example is when Colossus fought WWHulk. Even after Hulk bent his arms he was still not ready to give up.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Dont know what thats all about.

Really? You're debating Colossus and you know nothing of Colossus and the Legacy Virus?

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bro you havent given any good example of determination, lots of superheros will fight to they're dying breath. What sets Thing aprt from Collsus imo is that he faces much tougher opponents.

Dont know what thats all about.

Colossus sacrificed his life to end the threat of the Legacy Virus. Beast was able to produce a vaccine that would mutate and destroy it, but it required a mutant to inject themself with it and activate their mutation, triggering the vaccine and spreading it through the atmosphere where it would eventually cure all mutants. But the process would kill the mutant who triggered the vaccine. Instead of waiting for Beast to find a way around the problem, he stuck himself with the needle, transformed and died rather then let more people suffer from the Legacy Virus.

Phantom Zone Junior Member
Originally posted by snoopdogg
A good example is when Colossus fought WWHulk. Even after Hulk bent his arms he was still not ready to give up.

I think a better example would be somebody using their determination to win or put up a good fight. Yeah thats an example of willpower but he got pawned.

Originally posted by snoopdogg

Really? You're debating Colossus and you know nothing of Colossus and the Legacy Virus?

Listen dont get in my face. I dont know nothing about Colossus, if I dont know about something just inform me, all I said was that I didnt think the examples you gave proved that he had willpower greater than Things. Ive read lots of comics with Colossus im just not up to date.

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

BTW here is a few scans to show Colossus has some heart/courage. By posting these scans I am in no way saying Colossus has more heart than Ben. But he's damn close if not equal at best.

Colossus will fight until his dying breath if need be:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/Colossuscouragexmunl29.jpg

He will protect his friends no matter the cost:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/X-MenClanDestine2.jpg

Rogue's(yes that is Rogue flying with Colossus) comments explain this:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusblockinxmen107.jpg

Once he realized he was outnumbered he still fought on because Nightcrawlers life was at stake and knowing his was also:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Excalibur116-23.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Excalibur117005.jpg

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think a better example would be somebody using their determination to win or put up a good fight. Yeah thats an example of willpower but he got pawned.

Listen dont get in my face. I dont know nothing about Colossus, if I dont know about something just inform me, all I said was that I didnt think the examples you gave proved that he had willpower greater than Things. Ive read lots of comics with Colossus im just not up to date.

I'm not getting in your face. Just letting you know.

severance Plot is better than power

Things fighting spirit is matchless. ask champion of the universe. He should get 6/10 over the ruskie

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somebody only has to post scans of the thing/champion fight, that was heart. in the face of certain doom

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by psycho gundam
somebody only has to post scans of the thing/champion fight, that was heart. in the face of certain doom
Yea, they should. There's another example of Colossus' heart. He refused to fall even when Champion was raining blow after high impact blow upon Colossus for almost 3 minutes. The ref stopped the fight. Colossus wasn't kayoed or didn't quit. Ben got a broken jaw and spent a month in the hospital. The ref should have stopped his fight also but it was a Thing comic so that wasn't gonna happen. And on top of that it was a boxing match, which is one of Ben's specialties. None of the other fighters had any boxing experience.

Still a good shwong for Ben though. But Colossus had a good one there also.

Raoul Hey Yo!
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Is that greaters than Things? Thing is ugly but he still chooses to be good, hell Rogue thought he was a Toad. Its easy to have heart when your tall and good looking, one of the reasons why Wolverine can be a jerk is that he has a complex.

thing was a good guy before his transformation, that had a big impact on what he'd be afterwards...

colossus' entire family is dead, and he still goes on... hell, he just lost shadowcat, and he's still fighting the good fight...

just because he isn't an ugly so and so doesnt make him any less of a hero...

King_Mungi ...........
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I believe Ben is more then Class 80. I've seen scans of Sasquatch clearly referring to Thing as his physical superior in 'Infinity Crusade.'.

Bad story, writer admitted he didn't research Sasquatch and used him as comic relief in the book. I also have several scans of Thing saying he isn't as strong as Sasquatch, and other people saying Sasquatch is stronger then Thing

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class 80 only means he can ROUTINELY lift 80 tons. higher weighs can and have been lifted by him. any higher weight becomes more painfull per rep