DE Luke isn't anything special, Glentract. It's only a couple of years post-ROTJ. He's not had time to develop much in the way of lightsaber ability or force power, nor has he shown that he has developed much. His lightsaber victory over Sidious seems more to me like Sidious' incompetance than Luke's skill.
I really don't see how the DE team will win.
Sidious lost in a lightsaber duel against Luke but Luke also cut of his arm once before he was dying. Neither one of them seem good with a lightsaber. Malak however was good with a lightsaber he was a lightsaber prodigy that has fought in two wars on the front line, both of which were against powerful enemy's, Mandelorians or Jedi. And those people were good fighters. He lead thousands of Sith after that, defeated the greatest Jedi fighter of that era in a fight, and we don't know how the fight happened we still know Malak > Kavar because of other things.
Revan is that + more and i'm to tired to describe it all right now, but he's a lot better with a lightsaber so he would stand up against DE Sidious possibly take him but if he doesn't then he will soon get Malak his help and Sidious will die.
Wow. The DE duo wins. Revan and Malak are both on the plane of the PT Jedi. They are very powerful, but nothing epic or ridiculous. I imagined Revan to be about Yoda's equal, and Malak to be about on par with Windu. DE Sidious is pretty far above them and Luke is too. Sidious could take Revan and Luke could take Malak.
Revan was above Yoda.. And Fishy I agree with your post but you still have to take into account the hyperbole of them both moving faster than the naked eye, a bright light and a dark light. Now assuming their faster than the naked eye blows are ineffective, Revan and Malak were never shown to move that fast nor could compete with that.
Originally posted by tdtd
Revan was above Yoda.. And Fishy I agree with your post but you still have to take into account the hyperbole of them both moving faster than the naked eye, a bright light and a dark light. Now assuming their faster than the naked eye blows are ineffective, Revan and Malak were never shown to move that fast nor could compete with that.
How do you know that? Every Jedi should have learned to augment their speed with the force, or at least a lot of them would have. Seeing as Malak and Revan were both greater then that its safe to say they knew how to do it too, just like Dooku would have, Mace would have, Exar Kun would have Ulic would have, Yoda would have... Well you know pretty much everybody with training in the force.
Speed does not necessarily mean strength in a lightsaber duel.
There are plenty of duelists who are superior but rely on a firm foundation and precise movements over extra speed. Vodo and Exar Kun after all were not described as moving at superhuman speeds. Neither were Sadow or Kressh in their duel.
Originally posted by tdtd
Whether they know it or not is irrelevant. My point is only in DE do we see such use of speed in a LIGHTSABER battle. Does that mean Revan, Malak and all the others don't know how to augment their speed during a fight? Not necessarily. But we know for sure Sidious and Luke do.
Actually its very relevant because it destroys your entire argument, seeing as its a common technique its very safe to assume that either it gave no real advantage in a fight or everyody else knew it and could use it to. So either almost every Jedi and Sith knew it, whihc would be logical or it just wouldn't give those that did know it a real advantage.
Originally posted by tdtd
Why would it be logical that every jedi knew it? There's a difference in the degree of difficulty between using force speed and being able to use force speed in a lightsaber duel.
Any mediocre force user would know how to use force speed. Obi Wan and Qui gon used it in Phantom mencace. The degree to which they rely on speed in fight is no indication on how good of a duelist they are.
Precognition for example allows Revan to see what moves "superfast" DE Luke would use. Afterwards its just counter it, throw him of balance and finall kill him.
Originally posted by tdtd
Why would it be logical that every jedi knew it? There's a difference in the degree of difficulty between using force speed and being able to use force speed in a lightsaber duel.
How do you know that? It just increases your speed it wouldn't require a lot of focus, otherwise Luke nad Palpatine wouldn't have used it. I mean they mave have both improved a lot in the time since ROTJ and or ROTS. However I wouldn't believe that Luke at that time had a greater control over the force or his lightsaber then people who had been fighting for a lot longer against a hell of a lot more force users.
Originally posted by tdtd
Fishy, then explain to me the purpose of force speed during a lightsaber duel?
When your lightsaber wielding friend isn't a force user it has a huge advantage, or perhaps when he or she doesn't know the technique.
Which would lead me to believe that pretty much everybody knew the technique because otherwise the one that can become the fastest would own everybody and it would be the only technique people would learn. Or perhaps it just doesn't make a difference and Luke and Sids both tried to become faster then the other to give them an advantage in the fight, but of course that didn't work.
Originally posted by tdtd
Fishy, then explain to me the purpose of force speed during a lightsaber duel?
Force speed is useful in a duel, but to say speed is the be all and end all in a lightsaber duel is uneducated.
Sidious and Luke were described as moving faster than the eye can see. But relative to whom? Leia? Non force users?
Revan and Malak could have been dancing across the Star Forge in DBZ speeds for all we know. If Ragnos were watching them, he would probably see a bunch of unfit SOBS.