Is Bush The Worst U.S. President Ever?

Started by botankus32 pages

Originally posted by forumcrew
i do not support bush, but id bet that prolly at least 32 of the 33 people that have so far said yes, dont know a lot about EVERY President the country has had.

That would be an easy assumption. *sigh* don't make me start to go through an in-depth analysis of every president like I did on page 3. Leaving off with Rutherford B. Hayes, I'm thinking a comprehensive analysis of Zachary Taylor is on the horizon.

Hey forumcrew, nice to see you over from the sports forum-

The only thing I can say about BUSH is that he is leaving a big ass mess for the next president to fix up.

😆 I agree

no comment on the signing statement thing? The guy pretty much says through those that he can ignore congress.
In all of US history of all the presidents there have only been around 320 signing statements on congressional bills and then bush gets in and makes 750. ridiculous.

If you'll read this post, you'll see President Taylor battled hypocrisy over the slavery issue, went above and beyond his political power, was criticized for butchering Mexican soldiers, never even bothered to vote, and died following his own ice cream social.

Zachary Taylor

12th President
President from March 4, 1849 – July 9, 1850
Vice President Millard Fillmore
Preceded by James Knox Polk
Succeeded by Millard Fillmore
Born November 24, 1784Barboursville, Virginia
Died July 9, 1850Washington, D.C.
Political party Whig

Spouse Margaret Smith Taylor
Zachary Taylor (November 24, 1784–July 9, 1850) was an American military leader and the twelfth president of the United States. Taylor had a 40-year military career in the U.S. Army, serving in the War of 1812, Black Hawk War, and Second Seminole War before achieving fame while leading U.S. troops to victory at several critical battles of the Mexican-American War. A Southern slaveholder who opposed the spread of slavery to the territories, he was uninterested in politics but was recruited by the Whig Party as their nominee in the 1848 presidential election. In the election Taylor defeated the Democratic nominee, Lewis Cass, and became the first U.S. president to never hold any prior office. Known as "Old Rough and Ready," Taylor died of acute gastroenteritis just 16 months into his term. Vice President Millard Fillmore became president.

Military career
Zachary Taylor
On May 3, 1808, Taylor joined the U.S. Army, receiving a commission as a first lieutenant of the Seventh Infantry Regiment. He was ordered west into Indiana Territory, taking command at the Battle of Fort Harrison, and was promoted to captain in November 1810.
In the War of 1812, Taylor became known as a talented military commander. Taylor received a brevet promotion to major on October 31, 1812. The War of 1812 ended in December 1814. Taylor was promoted to lieutenant colonel on April 20, 1819, and colonel on April 5, 1832.
Taylor served in the Black Hawk War (May-August 1832) and the Second Seminole War (1835-1842). During the Seminole War he gained the nickname "Old Rough and Ready." Taylor fought at the Battle of Lake Okeechobee, receiving a brevet promotion to brigadier general in January 1838 and gaining the nickname "Old Rough and Ready" for his rumpled clothes and wide-brimmed straw hat. On May 15, 1838, Taylor was promoted commanding general of all U.S. forces in Florida.
James K. Polk sent the Army of Occupation under Taylor's command to the Rio Grande in 1846. Mexico attacked Taylor's troops and Taylor defeated them despite being outnumbered 4-to-1. Polk later declared war; in the Mexican-American War that followed, Taylor won additional important victories at Monterrey and Buena Vista and became a national hero.
Polk kept Taylor in northern Mexico, disturbed by his informal habits of command and his affiliation with the Whig Party. He sent an expedition under General Winfield Scott to capture Mexico City. Taylor, incensed, thought that "the battle of Buena Vista opened the road to the city of Mexico and the halls of Montezuma, that others might revel in them."

1848 Democratic cartoon ridicules General Taylor as butcher of Mexican soldiers
Main article: U.S. presidential election, 1848
He received the Whig nomination for President in 1848, although he had never even bothered to vote before. In fact, he had never even bothered to register, and didn't vote in his own election. His homespun ways were political assets, his long military record would appeal to northerners, and his ownership of slaves would attract southern votes. He also had not previously committed himself on troublesome issues. He ran against the Democratic candidate, Lewis Cass, who favored letting the residents of territories decide for themselves whether they wanted slavery. In protest against Taylor, a slaveholder, and Cass, an advocate of "squatter sovereignty," northerners who opposed extension of slavery into territories formed the Free Soil Party and nominated Martin Van Buren. In a close election, the Free Soilers pulled enough votes away from Cass to elect Taylor.
To the astonishment of Whigs, Taylor virtually repudiated their platform, As historian Michael Holt explains:
Taylor was equally indifferent to programs Whigs had long considered vital. Publicly, he was artfully ambiguous, refusing to answer queries about his views on banking, the tariff, and internal improvements. Privately, he was more forthright. The idea of a national bank "is dead, & will not be revived in my time." In the future the tariff "will be increased only for revenue"; in other words, Whig hopes of restoring the protective tariff of 1842 were vain. There would never again be surplus federal funds from public land sales to distribute to the states, and internal improvements "will go on in spite of presidential vetoes." In a few words, that is, Taylor pronounced an epitaph for the entire Whig economic program.

Presidency

Policies
Although Taylor had subscribed to Whig principles of legislative leadership, he was not inclined to be a puppet of Whig leaders in Congress. He acted at times as though he were above parties and politics. As disheveled as always, Taylor tried to run his administration in the same rule-of-thumb fashion with which he had fought Indians.
Under Taylor´s administration the United States Department of the Interior was organized, although the Department had been activated under President Polk´s last day in office.

Compromise of 1850
The slavery issue dominated Taylor's short term. Although he owned slaves he took a moderately anti-slavery position. Taylor urged settlers in New Mexico and California to draft constitutions and apply for statehood, bypassing the territorial stage. New Mexico was too small to act but California, which had grown up overnight, wrote a constitution that did not allow slavery; it was approved by the voters and a new state government took over in December 1849 without Congressional approval. Southerners were furious with Taylor (a southerner) and with California. In February 1850 Taylor had held a stormy conference with southern leaders who threatened secession. He told them that if necessary to enforce the laws, he personally would lead the Army. Persons "taken in rebellion against the Union, he would hang ... with less reluctance than he had hanged deserters and spies in Mexico." He never wavered. Henry Clay then proposed a complex Compromise of 1850. Taylor died as it was being debated. (The Clay version failed but another version did pass under the new president, Millard Fillmore.)

Death
On July 4, 1850, Taylor attended Independence Day ceremonies at the Washington Monument on a hot day. He consumed several bowls of cherries and iced milk (milk with ice shavings). The combination of milk and cherries caused his stomach to create excessive amounts of acid and he contracted gastroenteritis (stomach illness). He was diagnosed by his physicians with cholera morbus, a term that included diarrhea and dysentery but not true cholera. The cause of the gastroenteritis is variously described as cholera, typhoid fever, or even food poisoning. [1]
Taylor died on July 9. He is buried in Louisville, Kentucky, in what is now the Zachary Taylor National Cemetery. Taylor was succeeded by Vice President Millard Fillmore.

Surviving family
Taylor's son Richard became a Confederate Lieutenant General, while his late daughter Sarah Knox Taylor (1814–1835) had married future President of the Confederate States Jefferson Davis three months before her death of malaria. Taylor's brother, Joseph Pannill Taylor, was a Brigadier General in the Grand Army of the Republic during the Civil War. Taylor's niece Emily Ellison Taylor was the wife of Confederate General Lafayette McLaws.
It is widely held that the cause of Taylor's death was settled in 1991 when Taylor's remains were exhumed and examined [2] for arsenic poisoning. A medical examiner then concluded that the amount of arsenic found in the hair and nail samples was not sufficient to be fatal. Taylor had eaten a large quantity of iced milk and cherries on the hot day prior to falling ill, one of which may have been contaminated.

Physical appearance and trivia
Taylor's term of service was scheduled to begin on March 4, 1849, but as this day fell on a Sunday, Taylor refused to be sworn in until the following day. Vice President Millard Fillmore was also not sworn in on that day. As a result, it is often claimed that the previous president pro tempore of the Senate, David Rice Atchison, was "president for a day," or that the presidency was vacant. Most scholars believe that according the U.S. Constitution, Taylor's term began on March 4, regardless of whether he had taken the oath or not.
· Noted for standing 5'8" or 5'9" tall and weighing between 170 and 200 pounds, with long arms, short, stubby legs and a thick torso, it is believed that Taylor sometimes needed to be boosted into his saddle.
· Taylor always preferred old clothes (including his unique straw hat) to military uniforms, leading to his nickname, "Old Rough and Ready."
· In 1942, a Liberty ship named the SS Zachary Taylor was launched. The ship was scrapped in 1961.
· Taylor had a stutter.
· Taylor was a poor writer and had difficulty spelling.

Originally posted by El_NINO
The only thing I can say about BUSH is that he is leaving a big ass mess for the next president to fix up.

and whats great is when the next democrat president DOES fix it up, the right will try to take the credit as they did with clinton after he balanced the budget and helped us reach the highest u.s. surpluss in history...and then find time to blame him for all the screwups of the NEXT neocon ruler. and the big wheel keeps turning.

i dont think bush is the problem. only the people who voted for him should be locked up. half the voters in america gave an idiot a second term because the man who had killed thousands of iraqi civilians, triggered violence around the world, and took away thier basic freedoms, was considered the best guy to keep them safe!!

oh did i mention that it doesnt matter who you vote for? that people are only voting for different aspects of the same force. the agenda is still the same no matter who is in office.
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its not a matter of who you vote for, but WHY you should even bother when the system is so blatently rigged. lol you would allow bush to run a market stall without parent supervision but yet he is president of the usa who sends young men and women to kill and be killed. but people like you get so caught up in this irrelvent shit as of your vote will change anything.
lets vote for kerry..he might be better on iraq..no i think bush would...no what about....WILL YOU SHUT THE **** UP! ITS ALL BOLLOCKS🙂 Both the candidates are funded by major illuminati companies and controlled by the same force. global politics is just a game to fool the people. the party structure is perfect for the manipulators because all they have to do is control the leaders to dicate what policies the party will support. the illuminati make sure they have there placemen in control of all the major political parties and this allows them to daily manipulate the democratic process. what we staggeringly call democarcy is just another word for dicatatorship.

in 2004 bush an dkerry were both initiates of the skull and bones society, an elite secret grouping for chosen ones from the illuminati bloodline familys. there are a few hundred initiates of the skull and bones society alive at one time and some 295 million americans, but somehow this secret society managed to supply both candidates at a free election. the illuminati coudnt lose! whatever the result they would of had their guy in the whitehouse, and both bush and kerry would have simply pursued the same course using different rhetoric to kid the people thatthey did have a choice.

Here's a nice, irrefutable piece of evidence supporting the idea that Bush is one of the worst US Presidents:

"Between 2001 and 2005 alone, the Bush White House borrowed $1.05 trillion, more than all of the previous presidencies combined. Having inherited the largest federal surplus in American history in 2001, he has turned it into the largest deficit ever - with an even higher deficit, $423 billion, forecast for fiscal year 2006. Yet Bush - sounding much like Herbert Hoover in 1930 predicting that "prosperity is just around the corner" - insists that he will cut federal deficits in half by 2009, and that the best way to guarantee this would be to make permanent his tax cuts, which helped cause the deficit in the first place!"

- Sean Wilentz, Professor of American History at Princeton.

It may seem to be a rather prosaic detail, but when you think about it, it's actually quite an incredible one.

He may soon be known as the worst US prez ever. But as of now, I don't think he is. Wait 20 years and we'll see.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It'll be very hard to justify giving that title to someone who won their second election with a larger share.

You have a very good point but that doesn't nessecarily mean that he's a good president, but then again it doesn't mean he's the worst president ever either....There's Nixon you know... 😉

Yes! He's a scumbag!

Some interesting points:
-"Historians (like everyone voting in this KMC thread) in 2006 voted his failure to deal with secession the #1 presidential mistake ever made."
-Also, his possible relationship with Rufus King (who was denounced by Seattle for having the Kingdome named after him...they now say it was named after Martin Luther King because of the former's history with slaves).
- His words to Lincoln upon the end of his term.
- His cabinet member declaring, "If any man pulls down the American flag, shoot him on the spot".

James Buchanan
James Buchanan (April 23, 1791 – June 1, 1868) was the 15th president of the United States (1857–1861). He was the only bachelor president, and the only resident of Pennsylvania to hold that office. He has been criticized for failing to prevent the country from sliding into the American Civil War and generally lacking good judgment and moral courage. On Buchanan's final day as president, he remarked to the incoming Abraham Lincoln, "If you are as happy entering the presidency as I am in leaving it, then you are truly a happy man."
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Biography

Buchanan was elected as a Democrat to the United States Senate to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of William Wilkins. He served from December 6, 1834; was reelected in 1837 and 1843, and resigned on March 5, 1845, to accept a Cabinet portfolio. He was chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations (Twenty-fourth through Twenty-sixth Congresses).
Buchanan served as Secretary of State in the Cabinet of President James K. Polk from 1845 to 1849, during which he negotiated the 1846 Oregon Treaty establishing the 49th parallel as the northern boundary in the western U.S. No Secretary of State has become President since James Buchanan.
In 1853, Buchanan was named president of the Board of Trustees of Franklin and Marshall College in his hometown of Lancaster. He served in this capacity until 1865.
He served as Minister to the United Kingdom from 1853 to 1856, during which time he helped to draft the Ostend Manifesto which proposed the purchase of Cuba under the threat of force.
An active Freemason during his lifetime, he was Master of a Masonic Lodge in Lancaster,Pennsylvania; and a District Deputy Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania.
Election of 1856
The Democrats nominated Buchanan in 1856 largely because he was in England during the Kansas-Nebraska debate, and thus remained untainted by either side of the issue. Millard Fillmore's "Know-Nothing" candidacy helped Buchanan defeat John C. Frémont, the first Republican candidate for president in 1856 and he served from March 4, 1857 to March 3, 1861.
In regard to the growing schism in the country, as President-elect he intended to sit out the crisis by maintaining a sectional balance in his appointments and persuading the people to accept constitutional law as the Supreme Court interpreted it. The Court was considering the legality of restricting slavery in the territories, and two justices hinted to Buchanan what the decision would be.

Presidency 1857-1861

Policies
In his inaugural address, besides promising not to run again, Buchanan referred to the territorial question as "happily, a matter of but little practical importance" since the Supreme Court was about to settle it "speedily and finally." Two days later Chief Justice Roger B. Taney delivered the Dred Scott Decision, asserting that Congress had no constitutional power to exclude slavery in the territories. Much of Taney’s written judgment is widely interpreted as obiter dictum — statements made by a judge that are unnecessary to the outcome of the case, which in this case, while they delighted Southerners, created a furor in the North. Buchanan was widely believed to have been personally involved in the outcome of the case, with many Northerners recalling Taney whispering to Buchanan during Buchanan's inauguration. Buchanan wished to see the territorial question resolved by the Supreme Court. To further this, Buchanan personally lobbied his fellow Pennsylvanian Justice Robert Cooper Grier to vote with the majority in that case to uphold the right of owning slave property. Abraham Lincoln denounced him as an accomplice of the Slave Power, which Lincoln saw as a conspiracy of slave owners to seize control of the federal government and nationalize slavery. Buchanan's friends did a poor job defending him.
Buchanan, however, faced further trouble on the territorial question. Buchanan threw the full prestige of his administration behind congressional approval of the Lecompton Constitution in Kansas, which would have admitted Kansas as a slave state, going so far as to offer patronage appointments and even cash bribes in exchange for votes. The Lecompton government was unpopular to Northerners, as it was dominated by slaveholders who had enacted laws curtailing the rights of non-slaveholders. Even though the voters in Kansas had rejected the Lecompton Constitution, Buchanan managed to ram his bill through the House, but it was blocked in the Senate by Northerners led by Stephen A. Douglas. Eventually, Congress voted to call a new vote on the Lecompton Constitution, a move which infuriated Southerners. Buchanan and Douglas engaged in an all-out struggle for control of the party in 1859-60, with Buchanan using his patronage powers and Douglas rallying the grass roots; Buchanan lost control of the greatly weakened party.
Economic troubles also plagued Buchanan's administration with the outbreak of the Panic of 1857. The government suddenly faced a shortfall of revenue, due in part to the Democrats' successful push to lower the tariff. Buchanan's administration, at the behest of Treasury Secretary Howell Cobb, began issuing deficit financing for the government, a move which flew in the face of two decades of Democratic support for hard-money policies and allowed Republicans to attack Buchanan for financial mismanagement.
When Republicans won a plurality in the House in 1858, every significant bill they passed fell before southern votes in the Senate or a Presidential veto. The Federal Government reached a stalemate. Bitter hostility between Republicans and Southern members prevailed on the floor of Congress.
Sectional strife rose to such a pitch in 1860 that the Democratic Party split. Buchanan played little part as the national convention meeting in Charleston deadlocked. The southern wing walked out of the Charleston convention and nominated its own candidate for the presidency, incumbent vice-president John C. Breckinridge, whom Buchanan refused to support. The remainder of the party finally nominated Buchanan's archenemy, Douglas. Consequently, when the Republicans nominated Abraham Lincoln, it was a foregone conclusion that he would be elected even though his name appeared on no southern ballot. Buchanan watched silently as South Carolina seceded on December 20, followed by six other cotton states, and by February they formed the Confederate States of America. Eight slave states refused to join.
Buchanan, dismayed and hesitant, denied in his Message to Congress (Dec 3, 1860) the legal right of states to secede, but held that the Federal Government legally could not prevent them. He hoped for compromise, but secessionist leaders did not want it.
Beginning in late December Buchanan reorganized his cabinet, ousting Confederate sympathizers and replacing them with hard-line nationalists Jeremiah S. Black, Edwin M. Stanton, Joseph Holt, and John Adams Dix. These conservative Democrats strongly believed in American nationalism and refused to countenance secession. At one point, Treasury Secretary Dix ordered Treasury agents in New Orleans, "If any man pulls down the American flag, shoot him on the spot".
Before Buchanan left office, seven slave states seceded, the Confederacy was formed, all arsenals and forts were lost (except Ft. Sumter and two remote ones), and a fourth of all federal soldiers surrendered to Texas troops. The government decided to hold on to Fort Sumter, located in the center of Charleston, the most visible spot in the Confederacy. On January 5 Buchanan sent a civilian steamer Star of the West to carry reinforcements and supplies to Fort Sumter. On January 9, 1861, South Carolina state batteries opened fire on the Star of the West, which returned to New York. Paralyzed, Buchanan made no further moves to prepare for war.
Historians in 2006 voted his failure to deal with secession the #1 presidential mistake ever made.

Buchanan retired to his home "Wheatland," near Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where he died June 1, 1868, at the age of 77. He was interred in Woodward Hill Cemetery, in Lancaster. On the day before his death, he predicted that "history will vindicate my memory," but historians continue mainly to emphasize his failure to deal with secession.
In 1819, Buchanan was engaged to Ann Caroline Coleman, the daughter of a wealthy iron manufacturer. However, she abruptly broke off their engagement and died from an overdose of laudanum several days later[2]. After his fiancée’s death, Buchanan vowed he would never marry. He would live with Alabama senator William Rufus King for sixteen years in Washington, D.C., but King died four years before Buchanan became president. Rumors and speculation circulated that the two had a homosexual relationship, with references to Buchanan's "wife" and "better half," and former President Andrew Jackson referred to King as "Miss Nancy". The term "Nancy" was used to describe homosexual men in the 19th century. On occasion, Buchanan himself even referred to King as "Aunt Nancy." Buchanan's sexual orientation remains uncertain.

I've got 40 more, folks, and you can thank the thread starter for using the word "ever" in his subject.

Unfortunately, the title of 'best' and 'worst' at something are incredibly subjective in terms of something as broad as a presidency.

Pretend, for example, that we had a president who made homosexual marriage legal everywhere, encouraged abortion, lowered the restrictions on the pornography industry, and promoted sexual deviance.

Despite anything he had done with the economy or foreign relations during his term(s), I would consider him one of the worst--if not THE worst--president in the long line of presidents.

However, KMC, in general, would salivate at the thought of this guy being in office.

BEST PREZ EVAR

Sometimes I think your best quality is your ability to unintentionally amuse us with your ridiculousness.

'Encouraged abortions'...'promoted sexual deviance'...hahaha.

That's kind of what I was thinking. I can't remember the last politician who actually encouraged abortion. Allowing it to be an option is vastly different to encouraging it. And sexual deviance? I think anything that could have produced the Bush twins must have been an unholy union, but that's just me.

Still, what he seems to be saying is that no matter how well someone runs the country, he will be judged on his moral stance. For some reason that seems... odd.

Originally posted by FeceMan

Pretend, for example, that we had a president who made homosexual marriage legal everywhere, encouraged abortion, lowered the restrictions on the pornography industry, and promoted sexual deviance.

Despite anything he had done with the economy or foreign relations during his term(s), I would consider him one of the worst--if not THE worst--president in the long line of presidents.

You wouldn't be alone, pal.

Originally posted by FeceMan
However, KMC, in general, would salivate at the thought of this guy being in office.

That's true--most of these KMC members would love that.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Sometimes I think your best quality is your ability to unintentionally amuse us with your ridiculousness.

'Encouraged abortions'...'promoted sexual deviance'...hahaha.

How is that ridiculous?

Originally posted by FeceMan

However, KMC, in general, would salivate at the thought of this guy being in office.

BEST PREZ EVAR

Lol, several of them just might.

Originally posted by botankus

In 1819, Buchanan was engaged to Ann Caroline Coleman, the daughter of a wealthy iron manufacturer. However, she abruptly broke off their engagement and died from an overdose of laudanum several days later[2]. After his fiancée’s death, Buchanan vowed he would never marry. He would live with Alabama senator William Rufus King for sixteen years in Washington, D.C., but King died four years before Buchanan became president. Rumors and speculation circulated that the two had a homosexual relationship, with references to Buchanan's "wife" and "better half," and former President Andrew Jackson referred to King as "Miss Nancy". The term "Nancy" was used to describe homosexual men in the 19th century. On occasion, Buchanan himself even referred to King as "Aunt Nancy." Buchanan's sexual orientation remains uncertain.

Lol.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Pretend, for example, that we had a president who made homosexual marriage legal everywhere, encouraged abortion, lowered the restrictions on the pornography industry, and promoted sexual deviance.

Economy and foreign relations have nothing to do with the points you mention. You don't want gay people settling down. That's cool. Don't settle down with one. It's as easy as saying "no thanks". More over, it has nothing to do with what you think of yourself, assuming you think a gay man would walk up to you and want to have anything to do with you....much less a kid and family. Too many people think that gay men want just another dick.

My aunt once tried to set me up on a date with a guy who was in his 40's! With red hair and freckles. I had no issues with the freckles, but the 4- and ginger complexion? Oh yeah. Why did this happen? Because she assumed that gay men were jusy looking for another dick. I wasn't. I was looking for that one dick that suited my life. Just like you are looking for that one vagina.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
My aunt once tried to set me up on a date with a guy who was in his 40's! With red hair and freckles. I had no issues with the freckles, but the 4- and ginger complexion? Oh yeah. Why did this happen? Because she assumed that gay men were jusy looking for another dick. I wasn't. I was looking for that one dick that suited my life. Just like you are looking for that one vagina.

Actually, I'm looking for many vagina's! 😮‍💨

And why does him having a ginger complexion matter when he is face-down in a pillow?