Originally posted by BackFire
Lincoln was the worst, freeing the slaves. wtf was he thinking?
Originally posted by KidRock
No, only a moron would consider him the worst president ever.
Only a moron would claim that Obama (who just took office) could be the worst, yet still be the best.
Would it kill you to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and maybe wait a year before you pass judgement on his polices?
Originally posted by Robtard
Only a moron would claim that Obama (who just took office) could be the worst, yet still be the best.Would it kill you to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and maybe wait a year before you pass judgement on his polices?
Why would I wait? I already know I don't like his policies..what is there to wait and find out?
It is like saying I hate pizza..then you telling me you're going to serve me pizza but I should reserve judgment on whether or not I like it.
I don't like his tax policies or his views on the economy.
Originally posted by KidRock
Why would I wait? I already know I don't like his policies..what is there to wait and find out?It is like saying I hate pizza..then you telling me you're going to serve me pizza but I should reserve judgment on whether or not I like it.
I don't like his tax policies or his views on the economy.
To see if they're implemented exactly the why they're spelled out and if they do exactly what negative(s) you think they will. As you know in politics, what can be written on paper doesn't always transfer into the real world. Not telling you to love the man, just wait until he actualy does something you dislike before you smear shit on him.
What about his stances on foreign policy, personal rights, the environment, Iraq war etc. etc. etc.? Labeling a President shit because if one issue (tax/economy go hand and hand) isn't smart.
Originally posted by KidRock
Admit what? Bush was the worst president ever?No, only a moron would consider him the worst president ever.
That Obama is the Second Coming . . .
Originally posted by BetaProxy
We up in Canada and just about every else in the world knew Bush was a retard.
So did most of America. The system of election just didn't reflect that.
Originally posted by Adam Argo
Bush is on a considerable par with Harding and Grant-- two lame men flanked by dozens of crony political gangbangers. I use that term liberally, but both of those administrations dealt serious financial and societal blows to the American people. Railroads and oil barons have always caused more harm than good, and Grant/ Harding's men usurped as much control as they could get.Bush's Cabinet has taken a few cues from this ilk, just as Nixon's and Reagen's did. There have been more terrible presidents than mediocre and only less than a handful of meaningful ones.
It is tough to discern a great president out of the 44 (or 43, since this is only Obama's first day) and almost as tough to discern who's the shittiest president.
Think of the shit list: (in order of earliest rank as best my memory collects)
Martin van Buren
John Tyler
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Ulysses S Grant
James Garfield
Grover Cleveland
Benjamin Harrison
William Taft
Warren G Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
Richard Nixon
George H W Bush
Bill Clinton
George W BushPeople may be surprised at Clinton-- his administration created the beginnings of the financial collapse of Wall Street through deregulation and not holding big business execs accountable on their balance sheets. The repealing of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1998 was an important and unfortunate passing in American history. Bush's clan gladly accepted Clinton's Christmas present and soiled it with his two-inch proboscis.
Where and how do you categorize the shit list?
In my little opinion, there is roughly five presidents in this young country's history that represent anything of the true American spirit-- even though all five are seriously flawed as individual human men:
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Abraham Lincoln
Franklin Delano RooseveltThe rest of the crowd falls into mediocre-land. Give or take a few.
Again... where can you place Bush, for other presidents have committed grave, grave acts as well.
This is probably one of the most intelligent post's iv'e ever seen.
Good stuff, great insight as to what Americans hold dear in a leader and how you guys rate one from another.
Go team.
Originally posted by bogen
This is probably one of the most intelligent post's iv'e ever seen.
Good stuff, great insight as to what Americans hold dear in a leader and how you guys rate one from another.Go team.
agreed.except get FDR out of that mix of top five.He is hardly the great president the school systems make him out to be.He was so corrupt its unreal.Get FDR out of that group in put JFK in there.Thats the only thing I would disagree with about that really good post.
Originally posted by Adam ArgoInteresting how all those "good" presidents...won/ended a war.
Bush is on a considerable par with Harding and Grant-- two lame men flanked by dozens of crony political gangbangers. I use that term liberally, but both of those administrations dealt serious financial and societal blows to the American people. Railroads and oil barons have always caused more harm than good, and Grant/ Harding's men usurped as much control as they could get.Bush's Cabinet has taken a few cues from this ilk, just as Nixon's and Reagen's did. There have been more terrible presidents than mediocre and only less than a handful of meaningful ones.
It is tough to discern a great president out of the 44 (or 43, since this is only Obama's first day) and almost as tough to discern who's the shittiest president.
Think of the shit list: (in order of earliest rank as best my memory collects)
Martin van Buren
John Tyler
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Ulysses S Grant
James Garfield
Grover Cleveland
Benjamin Harrison
William Taft
Warren G Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
Richard Nixon
George H W Bush
Bill Clinton
George W BushPeople may be surprised at Clinton-- his administration created the beginnings of the financial collapse of Wall Street through deregulation and not holding big business execs accountable on their balance sheets. The repealing of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1998 was an important and unfortunate passing in American history. Bush's clan gladly accepted Clinton's Christmas present and soiled it with his two-inch proboscis.
Where and how do you categorize the shit list?
In my little opinion, there is roughly five presidents in this young country's history that represent anything of the true American spirit-- even though all five are seriously flawed as individual human men:
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Abraham Lincoln
Franklin Delano RooseveltThe rest of the crowd falls into mediocre-land. Give or take a few.
Again... where can you place Bush, for other presidents have committed grave, grave acts as well.
Andrew Jackson
Abraham Lincoln
John F. Kennedy and maybe
Theodore Roosevelt
would be my pick of best.
As for Bush, there's atleast 30 reasons as to why he's the worst and one of those alone would be enough to put him at the bottom with his daddy and his buddies.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
agreed.except get FDR out of that mix of top five.He is hardly the great president the school systems make him out to be.He was so corrupt its unreal.Get FDR out of that group in put JFK in there.Thats the only thing I would disagree with about that really good post.
You think Washington is one of the best presidents?
Some of you are just saying a President who did nothing notable while in office is a bad President, rather than them just being a mediocre to decent President.
As for the worst President in history? That's got to be Franklin Pierce: The man liked by many before taking office, and then reviled by all after leaving. He was bullied into policies that paved the way for the Civil War, and then when it came down to it, he refused to see that he was responsible for it. He legitimately thought he was a good President.