nixon passed some progressive policies like affirmative action (with the intention of using it to stir infighting among unions), but he was a manipulative antisemitic dick who plotted the murder of his enemies (including woodward and bernstein) and purposley dragged out vietnam and illegally bombed other countires.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
nixon passed some progressive policies like affirmative action (with the intention of using it to stir infighting among unions), but he was a manipulative antisemitic dick who plotted the murder of his enemies (including woodward and bernstein) and purposley dragged out vietnam and illegally bombed other countires.
yep the guy gave hitler a run for his money as an evil monster.watergate is hardly the reason I blame him.His purposely dragging out vietnam and illegally bombing other countrys like jello said is WHY he like clinton and bush,give hitler a run for his money as the most evil man.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
yep the guy gave hitler a run for his money as an evil monster.watergate is hardly the reason I blame him.His purposely dragging out vietnam and illegally bombing other countrys like jello said is WHY he like clinton and bush,give hitler a run for his money as the most evil man.
Comparing Bush, Nixon and Clinton to Hitler really makes you look like an idiot. Comparing Hitler to Stalin, o.k., I can see that, but Bush, Nixon and Clinton? Get a grip on reality and some perspective there spiderboy.
No it doesnt.Nixon murdered thousands of people extending the war like he did including americans.Clinton has a huge body count of people who have died under mystrious deaths who knew too much about his evil doings in arkansas,BUSH knew the trade center tragedy would happen and did nothing to stop it.Like hitler,they are murderers.people like you just need to take the blinders off and realise that.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
No it doesnt.Nixon murdered thousands of people extending the war like he did including americans.Clinton has a huge body count of people who have died under mystrious deaths who knew too much about his evil doings in arkansas,BUSH knew the trade center tragedy would happen and did nothing to stop it.Like hitler,they are murderers.people like you just need to take the blinders off and realise that.
You are comparing thousands of deaths, and conspiracey ramblings (not to mention totally unconfirmed allegations) with the deaths and torture of millions?
You have no grasp of perspective and a tenious grasp on reality at best.
I beleive there is a short and bogus history to why people hate Bush: ]
1) He is republican- many democrats hate him right away.
2) Hes Texan, has a Texan accent, and messed up while saying like two words during a speech.
3) He became president just before 9/11- many people blamed him of all people.
4) He speaks freely and openly about his own opinions on gay/strait marriage, abortions, and religion. Finally.
5) War in Iraq made him look unpopular and still does. People blame him for the soldiers deaths and say Iraq was a personal vendetta for his own sake. Many claim he was lying and making up data about WMDs and terrorists, etc... bogus.
6) People hate the Patriot Act and the wiretapping and security network he emplaced for good purposes.
Feel free to bash me all you want but thats the lineup of stuff people say he is bad for. In my mind its a pretty bad list to be hating someone for.
I agree tottaly black ghost, most of the "hate" against Bush is immature people's inability to deal with life's problems and needing somebody to blame. When you get right down to it, he's just a guy, a guy with some wacky ideas on how to run the country, that you may or may not agree with, but ohwell, that's why we have a democracy..
Well I don't really hate bush per say..I hate the whole two part system. It sucks really. I don't really believe we have any politicians nowadays who are really out there to "serve the people" as our forefathers would have put it. We need to put some term limits on these career politicians, and put some salary caps on these individuals who are running for various public offices for money. This will help get some "good" people into Washington, and take away some of the problems the US is facing today.
Another thing, anyone who runs for president must have some military experience. No more of this being commander and chief, and not even fighting in a war or draft dodging crap. How the hell can you trust someone as being a leader, if they haven't ever fought for the values that embody the people in which they are leading?
To0 many green little boys have been president in recent years, we need some real men, who are willing to fight for what's right, and have the experience and as well as moral character it takes to lead a nation.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
1) He is republican- many democrats hate him right away.
Of course Democrats generally dislike the opposition! That's why they're Democrats! Duh. If your points are to have any pertinence, then they shouldn't be appliable to both parties.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
2) Hes Texan, has a Texan accent, and messed up while saying like two words during a speech..
Most of the US Presidents have been from the South, so geography has no bearing. As for his severe case of verbal diarrhoea, of course people are going to take exception to the leader of the most powerful country in the world not being able to string a few sentences together!
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
3) He became president just before 9/11- many people blamed him of all people.
His approval rating was at its highest immediately after 9/11, so this is utter bullshit.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
4) He speaks freely and openly about his own opinions on gay/strait marriage, abortions, and religion. Finally.
Speaking freely isn't a problem, it's the utter garbage he spews that people abhor. It's ironic that you should commend him for speaking freely, when the words he is speaking are restricting freedoms.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
5) War in Iraq made him look unpopular and still does. People blame him for the soldiers deaths and say Iraq was a personal vendetta for his own sake. Many claim he was lying and making up data about WMDs and terrorists, etc... bogus.
Well, it's been proved that the data about WMDs was fabricated, and this was the basis for the war in the first place. So, who do you think deserves the blame for the soldiers death when they were sent to war under false pretences?
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
6) People hate the Patriot Act and the wiretapping and security network he emplaced for good purposes.
What was that you were saying about freedom of speech before? In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, many politicians and commentators spoke of the importance of continuing to respect the Constitution and protecting civil liberties. The Patriot Act erodes these. That is why it is wrong. It is also a perfect example of 'doublespeak', a technique that was very common in the Third Reich.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
In my mind its a pretty bad list to be hating someone for.
In that case, your mind must enjoy being contradicted by reality. Either that, or...
Ya' Krunk: Your words are exactly the kind of arrogant and somewhat selfish attitude that sadly has spread to so many people these days. The general American public acts the same way you do- always put the blame on somebody else, and its never the people who can actually just step into the shoes of the person in charge and try to think things through logically like all presidents should.
"Of course Democrats generally dislike the opposition! That's why they're Democrats! Duh. If your points are to have any pertinence, then they shouldn't be appliable to both parties."
----A little healty competition is always good because it gives room for different viewpoints and ideals but the way the parties have turned these days can make democrats feel repulicans are an entirely different species who is evil and vice versa. There has to at one point be a hapy medium between the two.
"As for his severe case of verbal diarrhoea, of course people are going to take exception to the leader of the most powerful country in the world not being able to string a few sentences together!"
---Thats harsh for a few mispronounced words. You have obviously never spoken in public before because if you have you would know how difficult it is to give speeches and once in a while you are going to stutter or stumble on a word. Anyways, this is no basis for your view of a president. Consider reading " Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury and you will realize what I mean.
"His approval rating was at its highest immediately after 9/11, so this is utter bullshit."
---Cool it buddy I was just making a point. Nobodys always right you know. Beleive it or not there are people who beleive he had knowledge of 9/11 before it happened and he could have stopped it. While the CIA often has leads it does not mean this could have been preventable.
"Speaking freely isn't a problem, it's the utter garbage he spews that people abhor. It's ironic that you should commend him for speaking freely, when the words he is speaking are restricting freedoms."
---You could use a little of that "garbage" in your own lifestyle considering how poorly you think of people you have biassed opinions on. The things he says are the truth- thats what everyone really hates.
"Well, it's been proved that the data about WMDs was fabricated, and this was the basis for the war in the first place. So, who do you think deserves the blame for the soldiers death when they were sent to war under false pretences?"
---Beep! Wrong again! the evidence was not fabricated. WMDs were found in mass storages- not in the amounts predicted but still very credibly there. remember Bio-toxins, poison-gas, and other poisons count as WMDs and were used by Saddam to kill thousands of his people- aside from the thousands he killed anyways. Iraq was also a major refuge for terrorists. This is a fact so dont deny it. If you remember we are currently waging a war on terrorism. We also were able to set up a democracy in the middle-east, establish relations in that area, and set up a major base for democratical expansion in the area. While it is terrrible that so many lives were lost- those soldiers indefinately saved the lives of tens of thousands- likely more.
"What was that you were saying about freedom of speech before? In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, many politicians and commentators spoke of the importance of continuing to respect the Constitution and protecting civil liberties. The Patriot Act erodes these. That is why it is wrong. It is also a perfect example of 'doublespeak', a technique that was very common in the Third Reich."
---The Patriot Act was exists only to protect people- as does the wiretapping thing. It already stopped the Golden Gate bridge plot and many other incidents where lives were saved. We are at war, and we are the main target of aggression from over a billion people across the world- I think these extra security measures are neccesary and you should too. Think logically.
"In that case, your mind must enjoy being contradicted by reality. Either that, or..."
---Or what? You, not me, has been making all the irrational and unsupported statements. Dont tell me you know more about reality.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Ya' Krunk: Your words are exactly the kind of arrogant and somewhat selfish attitude that sadly has spread to so many people these days. The general American public acts the same way you do- always put the blame on somebody else, and its never the people who can actually just step into the shoes of the person in charge and try to think things through logically like all presidents should.
What ridiculous rubbish you spew! I'm blaming the person who's fault it is; Bush. It's called 'accountability'. Sadly, this is a word that Bush also has trouble with, as he has never admitted the error of his ways. There's another word for this type of behaviour. I see you know how to spell it, but you have used it erroneously. The word? Arrogant. Belligerence also fits. Although, I don't expect you to know the meaning of that word...
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
A little healty competition is always good because it gives room for different viewpoints and ideals but the way the parties have turned these days can make democrats feel repulicans are an entirely different species who is evil and vice versa. There has to at one point be a hapy medium between the two.
There is. It's called the center, but Bush's government is too far to the right to be able to pull together a compromise.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Thats harsh for a few mispronounced words. You have obviously never spoken in public before because if you have you would know how difficult it is to give speeches and once in a while you are going to stutter or stumble on a word.
This really shows your ignorance. A few mispronounced words is no cause for concern, but anyone who knows what they are talking about knows it's more than that. Click here for help!
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Cool it buddy I was just making a point. Nobodys always right you know. Beleive it or not there are people who beleive he had knowledge of 9/11 before it happened and he could have stopped it. While the CIA often has leads it does not mean this could have been preventable.
You spoke crap, I called you out on it. If it was a case of you being wrong in this one instance, then I would accept it as a mistake. However, the catalogue of your mistakes counts past 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
You could use a little of that "garbage" in your own lifestyle considering how poorly you think of people you have biassed opinions on. The things he says are the truth- thats what everyone really hates.
I need to speak garbage? Why is that, little man? So I can sound more like you? I'd rather walk the path of crystal clarity. It does a good job in showing you up...
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Beep! Wrong again! the evidence was not fabricated. WMDs were found in mass storages- not in the amounts predicted but still very credibly there. remember Bio-toxins, poison-gas, and other poisons count as WMDs and were used by Saddam to kill thousands of his people- aside from the thousands he killed anyways. Iraq was also a major refuge for terrorists. This is a fact so dont deny it. If you remember we are currently waging a war on terrorism. We also were able to set up a democracy in the middle-east, establish relations in that area, and set up a major base for democratical expansion in the area. While it is terrrible that so many lives were lost- those soldiers indefinately saved the lives of tens of thousands- likely more.
Oh, dear. I'm not even going to dignify this with a rebuttal as it is so grossly incorrect.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
The Patriot Act was exists only to protect people- as does the wiretapping thing. It already stopped the Golden Gate bridge plot and many other incidents where lives were saved. We are at war, and we are the main target of aggression from over a billion people across the world- I think these extra security measures are neccesary and you should too. Think logically.
Please don't offer advice that you yourself are inable to practice. Your whole argument would look a lot better if you knew the truth, however then you wouldn't be arguing what you are. Ah, Catch-22...Continue speaking crap in the hope someone buys it, or cease the spew and acknowledge your mistakes...Decisions, decisions...
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Or what? You, not me, has been making all the irrational and unsupported statements. Dont tell me you know more about reality.
Oh, the old 'No, you are'-comeback! That was tired in Elementary School, here and now it just makes you look like more of an idiot.
Originally posted by shaber
LBJ since we're talking war?
LBJ wasn't a bad president. A war fell his lap and he handled it the best he could. Kennedy had a plan for Nam and Johnson misinterpreted it.
I agree with most historians on JFK; he was a mediocre president, but because he was capped, he's made out to be some kind of god.