Is Bush The Worst U.S. President Ever?

The Black Ghost...

I've just seen your profile, and it's cleared a lot of things up.

When I said this:

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Oh, the old 'No, you are'-comeback! That was tired in Elementary School, here and now it just makes you look like more of an idiot.

I didn't realise you had actually only recently graduated from elementary school, so there's no shame in your immaturity. In actual fact, it's great that you are interested in politics, and you have a strong opinion. However, it is important to base such an opinion on truth. I don't know who has told you the things you have stated in this discussion, but they haven't told you the truth. I'm talking about the Bushisms, the WMDs, the situation in Iraq, etc. You're perfectly entitled to like Bush, but when you debate with people it is vital that your argument is based in reality. This is no fault of your own, but in future it would be wise to check the 'facts' you are told. Obviously, you have access to the internet, so you can use it to research some of the 'truths'.

I honestly didn't know you were only 14, and if I did, I wouldn't have engaged you in a debate. It's actually a compliment to you that I didn't realise this earlier. Anyway, that's it from me to you.

The Black Ghost and JacopeX are the youngest people I've seen on KMC. Most people here are college kids.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
The Black Ghost...

I've just seen your profile, and it's cleared a lot of things up.

When I said this:

I didn't realise you had actually only recently graduated from elementary school, so there's no shame in your immaturity. In actual fact, it's great that you are interested in politics, and you have a strong opinion. However, it is important to base such an opinion on truth. I don't know who has told you the things you have stated in this discussion, but they haven't told you the truth. I'm talking about the Bushisms, the WMDs, the situation in Iraq, etc. You're perfectly entitled to like Bush, but when you debate with people it is vital that your argument is based in reality. This is no fault of your own, but in future it would be wise to check the 'facts' you are told. Obviously, you have access to the internet, so you can use it to research some of the 'truths'.

I honestly didn't know you were only 14, and if I did, I wouldn't have engaged you in a debate. It's actually a compliment to you that I didn't realise this earlier. Anyway, that's it from me to you.

I think voting age should be changed to 16, that could encourage young people to learn and read about politics and current world events.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The Black Ghost and JacopeX are the youngest people I've seen on KMC. Most people here are college kids.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Why or why don't you think so?

Warren G. Harding was the worst president ever.

Go Dub'ya!!!

i disagree, though he is up there. the way i see, the worst presidents are/were:
1.King George Bush II
2.Ronald Reagan
3.Poppa Bush
3.Richard Nixon
4.Bill Clinton
5.Ulysses S. Grant
6.Warren Harding
7.Andrew Jackson
8.Martin Van Beurin
9.Jimmy Carter
10.John Adams

Originally posted by Darth Jello

1.King George Bush II

^Why?

If you read anything about Benitto Mussollini you'll understand why. Bush is the stereotypical puppet figurehead that's been a staple of crumbling empires throughout history. A borderline retard who's used his family connections like a lubricant to squeeze through any challenges in life into positions of power right up america's anus, maskeraded as an intelligent human being by a cabal of robber barons, religious zealots, and mass murderers who use nationalism and a personality cult to disguise their crimes, boosting their earnings by conducting wars with other nations while supporting those same nations and terrorists instead of infiltrating them and destroying them from the inside out like they'd done with so many peaceful groups just 4 decades earlier.
welcome to the fall of rome. And just like Rome, if the dubai deal is any indication we will soon be relying on our "barbaric" enemies to guard our borders. Society via the media is becoming more and more desensitized to crime and violence a la christian gladiator matches so now when the Bushies talk about torture, domestic spying, propaganda, assassinations, and disappearances, it's a legitimate topic of consideration without the need for cute names like Tiger Force, or Cointelpro and government officials no longer even pretend that they're not lying.
I believe we are at least a year and a half away from some incident which will postpone elections indefinitely under FEMA provisions and America really will throw out it's constitution and become an empire. PNAC, the straussian, neoliberal special interest group to which every single member of the Bush administration belongs have all but stated this as their goal in their charter and liturature. A unitary executive. A police state masking as a democracy. Full spectrum global dominance and rule the economic and violent fear.
And that is why I think the Bush administration is a cancer on humanity, why Bush is the worst president in the country's history and why TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS HOLD THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION, THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE, AND EACH OTHER, NOT THE PRESIDENT.

I like the fact that it seems necessary to read that very fast.

The first two paragraphs are apposite in regards to Bush's failings, but perhaps you become a little over-exuberant at the end there. Sure, he would appear to be attempting to inure Americans into giving up some civil liberties for the sake of security, but such an obviation does not denote the movement to become an empire. It just sounds a little too Deano.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
i disagree, though he is up there. the way i see, the worst presidents are/were:
1.King George Bush II
2.Ronald Reagan
3.Poppa Bush
3.Richard Nixon
4.Bill Clinton
5.Ulysses S. Grant
6.Warren Harding
7.Andrew Jackson
8.Martin Van Beurin
9.Jimmy Carter
10.John Adams

Margret Thatcher; Reagan's guilty by association.

JFK had to be one of the worst presidents I mean he nailed Marylin and then ditched her for his wife..................oh the nerve!

Originally posted by Eis
I think voting age should be changed to 16, that could encourage young people to learn and read about politics and current world events.

People who are 18 rarely take interest in politics and world events. Heck, most people nowadays under 25 have not a clue what's going on.

The majority of 16 year olds don't have the maturity to make decisions that affect their daily lives never mind trying to make decisions that dictate the policies and direction of their entire nation.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
People who are 18 rarely take interest in politics and world events. Heck, most people nowadays under 25 have not a clue what's going on.

The majority of 16 year olds don't have the maturity to make decisions that affect their daily lives never mind trying to make decisions that dictate the policies and direction of their entire nation.

I would more say that 80% of the population "don't have the maturity to make decisions that affect their daily lives never mind trying to make decisions that dictate the policies and direction of their entire nation."

16 year olds wouldn't make a big difference in the polls just from a number standpoint. 16 year olds should be able to vote only if its right winged religious voting.............

Only the most sophisticated posters on this site are capable of making world descisions as I have seen from any number of the discussions and the amount of political "expertise" and abilty to digest world news🙂

Originally posted by Bardock42
I would more say that 80% of the population "don't have the maturity to make decisions that affect their daily lives never mind trying to make decisions that dictate the policies and direction of their entire nation."

I won't argue that.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Margret Thatcher; Reagan's guilty by association.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
People who are 18 rarely take interest in politics and world events. Heck, most people nowadays under 25 have not a clue what's going on.

The majority of 16 year olds don't have the maturity to make decisions that affect their daily lives never mind trying to make decisions that dictate the policies and direction of their entire nation.

By allowing 16 year olds to vote there wouldn't be any "real" risk persay. What are they going to have a larger turnout at the poles? Maybe a few 16 year old guys will vote for a female president if she is hot enough.................

Re. Reagan:

Well, there was the Iran-Contra affair, the bombing in Beruit, terrorist support in Nicaragua, his support of apartheid-era South Africa, his support of the Pinochet military junta in Chile, and he was a pretty dominant figure in the emergence of the American conservative movement.

I don't see anything wrong with allowing 16 year olds to vote.