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Tournament policy, Ill. Check the draft threads, Animal Man was allowed specifically because LP said he would be able to back up each and every power that he uses with Animal Man with times that he has used them in comics. Whether or not he can use the powers of super powered animals is completely specualtory, as he has never, ever done so. So if he can take powers from one super powered animal, why can't he take them from all the rest? By your very own definition of his powers, he CAN take powers from the JLA, he just never has done it before. I can take Flash and promise to keep him at Mach 10, or I can take Superman and promise to keep all of his attributes at the tournament caps, but is that fair? Hell no. Back him up with comics, keep him within the rules, I've said anyone who argued that a character was beyond the caps would get their character killed. Go back to the early planning phases, I've been saying it the whole time, and I DO intend to enforce it. No one has done so until now, but if now's the time, so be it.

So let me get this straight:

I have to show scans of Animal Man using the powers of every animal I say hes' using, but you and Silver Spider can use a made up amalgam with no comic book appearances whatsoever (because he doesn't exist) ,or feats at all, and can use depictions of other characters that are part of this amalgam to substantiate your claims?

I sense EXTREME hypocricy Dizzle.

This isn't about "tournament policy", I can recall plenty of unsubstantiated claims accounting for victories in this tournament. This is about you being at a disadvantage in this fight and finding a cop out.

By your own policy 2 members of your own team are unusable.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightradiation1ig9ul.jpg

Dr. Light has the ability to manipulate all frequencies of the EM spectrum, not simply light, that's just his name. He could simply alter the frequency of every energy source on the battle field and make it toxic to the bearer just as he altered the frequency of Blue Superman's energy form body. Just turn every energy signature in the vicinity to microwaves and massacre the whole field.

anyother questions as to what Light can and cannot control....didnt think so 😉

because it was at the bottom of the other page....

Originally posted by illadelph12
So let me get this straight:

I have to show scans of Animal Man using the powers of every animal I say hes' using, but you and Silver Spider can use a made up amalgam with no comic book appearances whatsoever (because he doesn't exist) ,or feats at all, and can use depictions of other characters that are part of this amalgam to substantiate your claims?

I sense [b]EXTREME hypocricy Dizzle.

This isn't about "tournament policy", I can recall plenty of unsubstantiated claims accounting for victories in this tournament. This is about you being at a disadvantage in this fight and finding a cop out. [/B]

It depends on the power, really. I guarantee that Animal Man has never taken superpowers of any kind, from animals or otherwise, so that would be blind specualtion to his abilities. Taking something like a pistol shrimp or a cockroach is fine, but Krypto the Superdog? I'd be hesitant to believe that he even could. The need for proof was a stipulation associated with the drafting of Animal Man, because his potential is FAR beyond the caps of this tournament. Read the draft threads.

Both of our amalgams have comic book characters, as well as book characters. I can back up every ability with quotes and scans. GODLIKE has 2 book characters, which ARE allowed in this tournament, and have been from the beginning. Drizzt is from RA Salvatore's main series, Leto II is from the Dune series by Frank Herbert, and Benedict of Amber is from the series simply called Amber by Roger Zelazny. All of them are within the caps of the street level tournament individually, and all are within the caps of THIS tournament when amalgamated.

For feats, I've used the individual feats of the characters that make up the amalgams to determine what they can do, because that's what the point of making an amalgam is...

The closest thing we have to speculation is GODLIKE's strength, which is explained by the following: Dreadstar's sword is said to increase strength by 10 times, Leto's strength alone is between 5 and 10 tons, going by feats. Benedict's larger and stronger body, when given the sandtrout skin, would push him towards the higher end of that range, which Lam calculated in the 2nd fight, which has been fixed at 90 tons here. He does not exist, but his individual components do.

Call it a cop out if you want, but the bottom line is, Animal Man's never gone Mach 10, Animal Man's never been a class 100, and Animal Man has never, ever copied Krypto the Superdog, which would be well beyond the caps as is.

Originally posted by Dizzle
It depends on the power, really. I guarantee that Animal Man has never taken superpowers of any kind, from animals or otherwise, so that would be blind specualtion to his abilities. Taking something like a pistol shrimp or a cockroach is fine, but Krypto the Superdog? I'd be hesitant to believe that he even could. The need for proof was a stipulation associated with the drafting of Animal Man, because his potential is FAR beyond the caps of this tournament. Read the draft threads.

Both of our amalgams have comic book characters, as well as book characters. I can back up every ability with quotes and scans. GODLIKE has 2 book characters, which ARE allowed in this tournament, and have been from the beginning. Drizzt is from RA Salvatore's main series, Leto II is from the Dune series by Frank Herbert, and Benedict of Amber is from the series simply called Amber by Roger Zelazny. All of them are within the caps of the street level tournament individually, and all are within the caps of THIS tournament when amalgamated.

For feats, I've used the individual feats of the characters that make up the amalgams to determine what they can do, because that's what the point of making an amalgam is...

The closest thing we have to speculation is GODLIKE's strength, which is explained by the following: Dreadstar's sword is said to increase strength by 10 times, Leto's strength alone is between 5 and 10 tons, going by feats. Benedict's larger and stronger body, when given the sandtrout skin, would push him towards the higher end of that range, which Lam calculated in the 2nd fight, which has been fixed at 90 tons here. He does not exist, but his individual components do.

Call it a cop out if you want, but the bottom line is, Animal Man's never gone Mach 10, Animal Man's never been a class 100, and Animal Man has never, ever copied Krypto the Superdog, which would be well beyond the caps as is.

Dizz, you're missing my point.

You're telling me I have to show proof of Animal Man using the powers of animals that just so happen to have powers, yet you can't provide any proof of anything Godlike or Rainbow Brite could do.

All of their attacks are 'speculation' because the characters don't exist, and there is no way to substantiate that the melding of their powers would garner the same results as each individual character as you're saying.

I've never seen either amalgamation you are using in this battle ever perform any attack you claim they're capable of performing, as well as amalgams being banned, by you, from this tournament.

With all do respect (and there is no malice in my sentiments):

you're being a hypocrite.

You can't show Rainbow Brite or Godlike performing any of the abilities you are claiming they can because they don't exist, yet you can use scans of the individuals they are embodying as proof of your claims, but when I say that I use the powers of an animal, which is the basis of Animal Man's abilities, and common knowledge to all, I have to show proof of every action I'm claiming he can perform?

You can't have it both ways.

If I have to show Animal Man using a superhero animals powers, you have to show Godlike and Rainbow Brite, not just their progenitors, the actual amalgams themselves, performing these actions. If not, any attacks you are claiming they are capable of are simply speculation.

It's the exact same thing.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Dizz, you're missing my point.

You're telling me I have to show proof of Animal Man using the powers of animals that just so happen to have powers, yet you can't provide any proof of anything Godlike or Rainbow Brite could do.

All of their attacks are 'speculation' because the characters don't exist, and there is no way to substantiate that the melding of their powers would garner the same results as each individual character as you're saying.

I've never seen either amalgamation you are using in this battle ever perform any attack you claim they're capable of performing, as well as amalgams being banned, by you, from this tournament.

With all do respect (and there is no malice in my sentiments):

you're being a hypocrite.

You can't show Rainbow Brite or Godlike performing any of the abilities you are claiming they can because they don't exist, yet you can use scans of the individuals they are embodying as proof of your claims, but when I say that I use the powers of an animal, which is the basis of Animal Man's abilities, and common knowledge to all, I have to show proof of every action I'm claiming he can perform?

You can't have it both ways.

If I have to show Animal Man using a superhero animals powers, you have to show Godlike and Rainbow Brite, not just their progenitors, the actual amalgams themselves, performing these actions. If not, any attacks you are claiming they are capable of are simply speculation.

It's the exact same thing.

I see your point, but I'm saying that AM was a special case, because of his vast potential. I see your connection, but I still think there's a difference. I wasn't going to ban him because you couldn't prove that he can copy superpowers, leave it at that.

So screw it, it's a bonus round. Just keep him inside the caps, and don't suggest that he's capable of breaking them, and you can keep him.

Do you still want to team up with Blair Wind though? I'd love to argue against the both of you with Majestic...

(oh, and BW, if you try to copy all of AM's powers, DB's inexperience with the Red will basically drive him insane, and he'll revert to a feral state, as AM did himself. This is assuming that he didn't kill you before you got the chance to copy him, naturally)

Ok, I'll stay away from Kryptonian Dogs (though they are a species of animal in the DCU and are therefore connected to the Red, so I would have access to it's abilities).

Are you using Superman or Mr. Majestic?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ok, I'll stay away from Kryptonian Dogs (though they are a species of animal in the DCU and are therefore connected to the Red, so I would have access to it's abilities).

Are you using Superman or Mr. Majestic?

If you two are seriously teaming up, Majestic...

Originally posted by Dizzle
Actaully, Van Winkle's dead, Rainbow Brite shot his head off from a mile away, while GODLIKE disintegrated the one bullet you managed to get off. Your shot happens from 8 miles away, it would take more than a minute for the bullet to reach my team. GODLIKE could calmly walk to the edge of the temple and cut it out of the air if he misses witht he laser. One bullet isn't going to take out my team, sorry GF.

Hell, change it around. Brite takes off the visor and blinks instead of head shotting Van Winkle, killing your entire team. (save possibly Cap, provided he sees it coming) Worst case scenario, it's a guy who runs Mach 10 with magic powers and optic blasts against a slightly beyond peak human martial artist with a shield.

Pfft , Manji can dodge it easily (he could take it anyway YAY bloodworms)

Captain dodges it with ease , this is a man who caught a thrown knife in the air with ease and then crumpled it just to show how bad-ass he was.

Rips is a SHE dammit !!! and she's a vampire , she can dodge it .

Luffy's rubber , your a concussive blast . BOING it head straight back or at least what part hits him (IF it hit's , he could simply dodge it) you can't do it again due to your current ass kicking by the others (not a team up *shakes head* the way i see it it's direct team up's not allowed . Eg iron man airlifts the captain into snakey ass kick range , not real time events . Plus i'm waiting for Inamilist to realise i killed his team.)

Originally posted by grey fox
Pfft , Manji can dodge it easily (he could take it anyway YAY bloodworms)

Captain dodges it with ease , this is a man who caught a thrown knife in the air with ease and then crumpled it just to show how bad-ass he was.

Rips is a SHE dammit !!! and she's a vampire , she can dodge it .

Luffy's rubber , your a concussive blast . BOING it head straight back or at least what part hits him (IF it hit's , he could simply dodge it) you can't do it again due to your current ass kicking by the others (not a team up *shakes head* the way i see it it's direct team up's not allowed . Eg iron man airlifts the captain into snakey ass kick range , not real time events . Plus i'm waiting for Inamilist to realise i killed his team.)

You're gonna dodge this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast3.jpg

Respect Cyclops. Vampires haven't got crap, all 4 are getting disintegrated by the sheer concussive force. Luffy wouldn't send back concussive blasts of energy, stretchiness doesn't work like that. He's a poor man's Mr. Fantastic, not Plasticman on steroids. If he survives, Mar Vell or GODLIKE can disintegrate him later.

Originally posted by Dizzle
You're gonna dodge this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast3.jpg

Respect Cyclops. Vampires haven't got crap, all 4 are getting disintegrated by the sheer concussive force. Luffy wouldn't send back concussive blasts of energy, stretchiness doesn't work like that. He's a poor man's Mr. Fantastic, not Plasticman on steroids. If he survives, Mar Vell or GODLIKE can disintegrate him later.

That was fanboy masturbatory art. You never see him use a blast of that size again . Whereas the artificial vampires are seen using their superior speed again and again.

Originally posted by grey fox
That was fanboy masturbatory art. You never see him use a blast of that size again . Whereas the artificial vampires are seen using their superior speed again and again.

Yes, but does speed matter when Cyclops has the best aim this side of Bullseye? Taking off his visor has ALWAYS caused a wide angle blast... It's like, what he does. Anyhoo, seeinga s none of them would see it coming, all 4 get their heads blown off from a very long distance away. This is Cyke's aim...

Tagging Northstar
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=000cwkcr1eu.jpg

Spacial geometry rocks...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5779865

Shooting some pool...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/uxm144pg08b.jpg

Blowing through a monster's head and pimping it up, all on one page.
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=000b7yar3ed.jpg

Originally posted by Dizzle
Yes, but does speed matter when Cyclops has the best aim this side of Bullseye? Taking off his visor has ALWAYS caused a wide angle blast... It's like, what he does. Anyhoo, seeinga s none of them would see it coming, all 4 get their heads blown off from a very long distance away. This is Cyke's aim...

Tagging Northstar
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=000cwkcr1eu.jpg

Spacial geometry rocks...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5779865

Shooting some pool...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/uxm144pg08b.jpg

Blowing through a monster's head and pimping it up, all on one page.
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=000b7yar3ed.jpg

So it's a beam now ? Make up your mind a beam or a blast.

Ether way it doesn't matter the beam moves fast , but not uber fast. Whereas my team do move uber fast or have the capability to heal from it .

Originally posted by grey fox
So it's a beam now ? Make up your mind a beam or a blast.

Ether way it doesn't matter the beam moves fast , but not uber fast. Whereas my team [b]do move uber fast or have the capability to heal from it . [/B]

Both. He starts with one big blast that disintegrates all of them, then he blasts whatever decides to regenerate until it stops.

Your team moves faster than pure kinetic energy? I don't remember it being clocked at lightspeed, but I'm pretty sure it's hovering right around there. Keep in mind, Rainbow Brite himself is moving at mach 10, they would have a big zero time to react to him before they're all a head shorter. Literally.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Both. He starts with one big blast that disintegrates all of them, then he blasts whatever decides to regenerate until it stops.

Your team moves faster than pure kinetic energy? I don't remember it being clocked at lightspeed, but I'm pretty sure it's hovering right around there. Keep in mind, Rainbow Brite himself is moving at mach 10, they would have a big zero time to react to him before they're all a head shorter. Literally.

Ok if your guy is moving that fast , his aim isn't going to be very good. Don't say 'oh well cyclops ability' because thats CYCLOPS's not Brite . You denied mental abilities which unfortunately enough is one of cyclops's .

The blast CAN be dodged .

Thats Luke valentine , he's A LOWER RANK then rip and can move faster then bullets. The higher you go the more powerful you get.

Luffy can spring himself away . The captains even higher rank then Rip and is so fast that he can dodge (and catch) walters wires in mid air. Manji is pretty fast on his own but may get hit , if so he heals in a few seconds.

Originally posted by grey fox
Ok if your guy is moving that fast , his aim isn't going to be very good. Don't say 'oh well cyclops ability' because thats CYCLOPS's not Brite . You denied mental abilities which unfortunately enough is one of cyclops's .

The blast CAN be dodged .

Thats Luke valentine , he's A LOWER RANK then rip and can move faster then bullets. The higher you go the more powerful you get.

Luffy can spring himself away . The captains even higher rank then Rip and is so fast that he can dodge (and catch) walters wires in mid air. Manji is pretty fast on his own but may get hit , if so he heals in a few seconds.

... What? Cyclops is part of Rainbow Brite, his mind makes up 1/3 of Brite's overall mental abilities. That's how amalgams work, what one component can do, the resulting character can do. You can't copy mental powers, but this is his very own power.

Ok, he's faster than bullets. That's about mach 1. The speed gap isn't exceptionally huge between vampires, none of them would get past moving mach 2 or 3, tops. Northstar cruises at mach 10 and CAN go faster. The scan above shows Cyke tagging him in the face, mid flight. The beam of pure kinetic energy is a teensy bit faster than a bullet or razor wires handled by a geriatric, regardless of his vampire slicing skills. The comparison is a bad one. It's like saying that Batman punched out Blue Beetle, therefore he can beat up Karate Kid.

Excuse me, I didn't mean he would be running while shooting. I meant his speed would allow him to shoot all 4 at basically the same time while perched a mile up. It's way harder to dodge when they don't see it coming. Why would he need to be moving when they have no idea that he's there?

Originally posted by Dizzle
... What? Cyclops is part of Rainbow Brite, his mind makes up 1/3 of Brite's overall mental abilities. That's how amalgams work, what one component can do, the resulting character can do. You can't copy mental powers, but this is his very own power.

Ok, he's faster than bullets. That's about mach 1. The speed gap isn't exceptionally huge between vampires, none of them would get past moving mach 2 or 3, tops. Northstar cruises at mach 10 and CAN go faster. The scan above shows Cyke tagging him in the face, mid flight. The beam of pure kinetic energy is a teensy bit faster than a bullet or razor wires handled by a geriatric, regardless of his vampire slicing skills. The comparison is a bad one. It's like saying that Batman punched out Blue Beetle, therefore he can beat up Karate Kid.

Excuse me, I didn't mean he would be running while shooting. I meant his speed would allow him to shoot all 4 at basically the same time while perched a mile up. It's way harder to dodge when they don't see it coming. Why would he need to be moving when they have no idea that he's there?

Werewolf . Supersenses. Hears blast . dodge.

Whats so hard to belive about that . Plus isn't brite a little bit busy trying to shoot down the Ironen (NOT A DAMN TEAM UP !! REAL TIME REAL TIME) !!!!

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I would think this is him controlling electricity 🙄

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drlight87rs.jpg

what was that again?

half of Darkcrawlers group is totally ineffective now that all their electricity has been sucked up by light as is ALL of scoobs team, and they get knocked out by powerhouse. Thor is bringing in blasts that look a lot like this huge blast
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor2b7zv.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor3b7yg.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor4b2rm.jpg

Any power that Animal Man has my Duplicate Boys have

any plant based animals get screwed by lighting, or burned by the light.....

as DC said: There isn’t really anyone here who my team couldn’t take out.

❌

Show me Dr. Light controlling all electricity from mile away (since they are scattered alongside mountain that is 7 miles in diameter.) Then you might have a point, but Light cant steal light from something that he isn't even aware of. Dr. Light also won't get near my team since Jesse is tracking every bio-electric signature.

I see if I can get a distance scan. But light can "see" the light in everyone. Look at the scan where he is talking to superboy.....

and to Dizzle, DB cant duplicate the Red, its mystical in nature, HOWEVER he CAN duplicate the superpowers that are being displayed. See the difference? So I dont have the insanity problem.....

Originally posted by Blair Wind
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightradiation1ig9ul.jpg

Dr. Light has the ability to manipulate all frequencies of the EM spectrum, not simply light, that's just his name. He could simply alter the frequency of every energy source on the battle field and make it toxic to the bearer just as he altered the frequency of Blue Superman's energy form body. Just turn every energy signature in the vicinity to microwaves and massacre the whole field.

anyother questions as to what Light can and cannot control....

Yup... because there are still massive holes in your argument

Every scan you've shown of Light has him affecting energy that he has direct access to.... not once has the guy eve affected a shielded power supply.... because he can't, he's totally out of his element here and his overconfidence will get him killed

Uh, isn't Superman Blue wearing a containment suit?