Marvels Strongest

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Juggernaut was never said to get stronger, what he did to Thor in the Eighth day storyline was show how much more durable he was than Thor, Marvel officially stated that Thor could outlift Juggernaut; for example a diamond is harder than steel, but steel can shatter a diamond (body armor factor). The Hulk is stated to be quite a bit weaker than Juggernaut in a calm state, but when he gets excited, and his andrenaline starts flowing he can exceed Cain in strength.

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range.

Known superhuman powers: The Hulk possesses the capacity for "nearly limitless" physical strength. In times of stress the Hulk's adrenaline level escalates, causing a corresponding escalation in strength. "This is not accompanied by an additional gain in mass", but does appear to promote increased levels of energy efficiency. "To date the Hulk has never apparently been provoked into demonstrating a maximum output of strength"; hence, its upper limit remains a mystery

I would launch an argument for the rest of the contenders, but it is clear who can lift more, as far as Marvel is concerned. If Juggernaut was considered to be strongest why didn't they use him to go toe to toe with Onslaught? the fact being is that without his forcefield Juggernaut was placed somewhere in the region of Simon Williams in strength, who is weaker than many of the characters in the list above, Thor was seen not only outmuscling Cain but he beat the tar out of him when he magically negated his forcefield. And the Hulk has outdone Thor one on one in issue #440 and I must add that he was fighting a warrior madness Thor. Yet he was still tossing him around.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Juggernaut was never said to get stronger, what he did to Thor in the Eighth day storyline was show how much more durable he was than Thor, Marvel officially stated that Thor could outlift Juggernaut; for example a diamond is harder than steel, but steel can shatter a diamond (body armor factor). The Hulk is stated to be quite a bit weaker than Juggernaut in a calm state, but when he gets excited, and his andrenaline starts flowing he can exceed Cain in strength.

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range.

Known superhuman powers: The Hulk possesses the capacity for "nearly limitless" physical strength. In times of stress the Hulk's adrenaline level escalates, causing a corresponding escalation in strength. "This is not accompanied by an additional gain in mass", but does appear to promote increased levels of energy efficiency. "To date the Hulk has never apparently been provoked into demonstrating a maximum output of strength"; hence, its upper limit remains a mystery

I would launch an argument for the rest of the contenders, but it is clear who can lift more, as far as Marvel is concerned. If Juggernaut was considered to be strongest why didn't they use him to go toe to toe with Onslaught? the fact being is that without his forcefield Juggernaut was placed somewhere in the region of Simon Williams in strength, who is weaker than many of the characters in the list above, Thor was seen not only outmuscling Cain but he beat the tar out of him when he magically negated his forcefield. And the Hulk has outdone Thor one on one in issue #440 and I must add that he was fighting a warrior madness Thor. Yet he was still tossing him around.

All wrong

first off, Marvel has never given Juggernaut a limit to his strength, it was always stated to be immeasurable. So saying that Thor is stronger than Juggernaut when Juggernaut has clearly out muscled Thor one more than one occasion is crazy.

Secondly, when Thor fought Juggernaut the second time it was PIS. In that story it was implied that when Juggernauts invulnerability comes from his magic shield, when in fact it doesn't. As we all know Juggernaut is invulnerable without his shield. That is the only comic that shows Juggernaut feel pain without his shield. Even when written badly Juggernaut nearly knocked thor out.

Toe to Toe with Onslaught? not a person can do that, the only reason Hulk was able to is because Onslaught wanted to be in his energy form. Juggernaut during this also wasn't focused, and when Juggernaut doesn't focus he doesn't fight as well. he still probably would have lost anyways.

Juggernauts forcefield doesn't give him strength, it gives him the ability not to be touched.

before juggernaut fought onslaught he lost his invulnerability and a bit of his strenght in all new exiles comics

But if they both have infinite strength, aren't they tied?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
NO BECAUSE HE IS A CANADIAN😄

Guys older than the world, so technically he isn't 😛

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To me, Thor is stronger than Hulk, because his of his class. He's a god, and draws his powers from magic, and extra dimensional sources. Hulk draws his powers from man made gamma radiation, or rage.

it's juggernaut. and yes he can call on cyttorak not just for shielding, but strength.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
it's juggernaut. and yes he can call on cyttorak not just for shielding, but strength.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
He's a god, and draws his powers from magic, and extra dimensional sources.

Reminds me of another character 😎

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Reminds me of another character 😎

Wolverine? 😮‍💨

No, Sasquatch

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
it's juggernaut. and yes he can call on cyttorak not just for shielding, but strength.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry, but where was it stated that Juggernaut can increase his strength? Because honestly, I have never seen that.

Also, is Hyperion Class 100 in 616 Marvel? Because I remember that he is Class 75 or so. And I'd rate Namor above Iron Man. Iron Man is very strong, but isn't that only when he absorbs outside energies to power his armor (and he can't keep that strength on very long).

Iron Man is class 85
Namor is class 90

Originally posted by King KAM
but hercules can still outlift the both of them

Can Hercules outlift Thor?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Iron Man is class 85
Namor is class 90

WAT! ironman and and namor are class 100 deffinalty. iron man is a low class 100. and namor is a mid class 100.

i say thor /juggy is the stongest out of the bunch. with hulk as second.(base strenght)
but when the hulk is madd he deffinaly above all on this list.

but if i was gonna pick someone on this list to be my muscle, ill pic hulk!

(In no particular order)
8th Day Juggernaut
Silver Age Mangog
Asgardian Destroyer
Count Nefaria
Gladiator
Kurse
Hulk
Doomsday
Thanos
Sentry

Originally posted by spideycarnage
WAT! ironman and and namor are class 100 deffinalty. iron man is a low class 100. and namor is a mid class 100.

i say thor /juggy is the stongest out of the bunch. with hulk as second.(base strenght)
but when the hulk is madd he deffinaly above all on this list.

Namors average is stated at around 90(meaning not dry, but not underwater).
Iron Mans average is 85. Both can boost their strength well beyond 100 tons. Iron Man just can't do it as long because the suit has failsafes I believe to keep him from shorting out.

And if you're gonna call a class 85 strongest, then you might wanna add She-Hulk. She IS in the 100+ ton range.

Ex-Sentry as the "strongest" I hope? Because he IS easily the most powerful being due to the nature of is powers(That we know of, anyway.)

Namor is easily Class 100, in or out of the water. Don't go by the handbooks, as Namor's shown this multiple times that his avergae is still way above Class 90.

Also She-Hulk does not seem to be a s strong as she was not too long ago. It seems Dan Slott didn't mean to keep her at that strength level for very long.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Juggernaut was never said to get stronger, what he did to Thor in the Eighth day storyline was show how much more durable he was than Thor, Marvel officially stated that Thor could outlift Juggernaut; for example a diamond is harder than steel, but steel can shatter a diamond (body armor factor). The Hulk is stated to be quite a bit weaker than Juggernaut in a calm state, but when he gets excited, and his andrenaline starts flowing he can exceed Cain in strength.

I would launch an argument for the rest of the contenders, but it is clear who can lift more, as far as Marvel is concerned. If Juggernaut was considered to be strongest why didn't they use him to go toe to toe with Onslaught? the fact being is that without his forcefield Juggernaut was placed somewhere in the region of Simon Williams in strength, who is weaker than many of the characters in the list above, Thor was seen not only outmuscling Cain but he beat the tar out of him when he magically negated his forcefield. And the Hulk has outdone Thor one on one in issue #440 and I must add that he was fighting a warrior madness Thor. Yet he was still tossing him around.

The reason Juggernaut was not used to go up against Onslaught is the same reason that Mangog or Dragon-Man was not used. There are plenty of guys out there that are over Hulk strength. They were not used because Hulk is the big ticket character. He sells books. He has the popularity.