THANOS vs. SUPERMAN AND THOR

Originally posted by who?-kid
You know as well as I do - or you should know - Thanos has a huge jobber aura. Thor and Surfer for example always fight like idiots and apparently lose half their powers (no real super speed, no fighting from a distance, no clever use of Mjolnir and so on...)

Again, I have to repeat myself : there is simply NO reason to assume that Thanos is stronger than SM (he isn't) and more durable (very questionable). What we do know, is that Thanos is waaay slower than Superman and can not fly. Two advantages for Superman.

Written to his true or full potential, Thanos couldn't lay a finger on Superman. Superman can almost move and fight as fast as Flash. Do you realize what this means ?

Now, together with Thor, they'll whoop his ass. They'll give him the beating of his lifetime. Thanos has virtually no chance. Unless of course his jobber aura kicks in.

1- You cant be a jobber if your written constantly at a certain level. Thanos has always -without counting two examples ONLY-, in his entire comic life, beaten down top tier guys. Always. By your wonderful logic, pre crisis Darkseid was the biggest jobber aura in existence because he pimpslapped down so many kriptonians back in the day, that it was silly.

2- Thor has used the hammer against Thanos. Thor has used ubber attacks against Thanos. Thor has gone and use the hammer against Thanos, alied to heralds and it still didnt defeat him. SM doesnt work usually on that level.

3- And your wrong. And you hate it for being wrong. We have all the reason to assume hes stronger, because :

as you will surely notice, every single top tier that Thanos has faced, happens to have way more lifting feats than he does. And they still lose. Its a matter of the level hes in. Thanos smokes Top tiers usually, and SM doesnt.

Its fact. Printed fact. Written fact. Constant fact. How more direct can you be?

I dont see you argue that with Doomsday. What lifting feats on SM level and beyond does he have to have been called stronger than him? What lifting feats of worth does he have at all?

And yet he is or especially was STRONGER than SM, when he showed up because (holdddd on) he got SM killed in the first time and whopped him good the second.

Wait, what a revolting development. What do we have here? Can it be....? A DIRECT COMPARATION? Could it be that DD was considered stronger than him just because he defeat SM? Oh my. Look at that. Its the same thing with Thanos.

Its painfull obvious and even more that i have to explain it.

4- And here you crumble. SM gets written at full potential but Thanos doesnt? He sure never beaten heralds, or taken shots from cosmics, or taken gems from cosmically fast guys, or shots from uber Gods..oh wait. He has. That brings to an earlier point. Thanos is more durable.

5- Or Superman`s. Oh by the way, what are your thoughs when SM managed to hold his own against Asmodel?

Just curious.

man calm down, you talk so much rubbish i stopped reading the third word in your essay of nonsense

That was for people who can read. Its understandable.

what's understandable? you wrote pure nonsense

Heres some nonsense to you. Whats different from DD being considered stronger than Superman when he has NO lifting feats of worth, unlike Superman - with Thanos being considered stronger than the top tier he has gone against? Top tiers that have more lifting feats than he ever had.

Explain.

What? No answer?

detective

i dont consider any of that

The Team wins.

Originally posted by olympian
1- You cant be a jobber if your written constantly at a certain level. Thanos has always -without counting two examples ONLY-, in his entire comic life, beaten down top tier guys. Always.

By your wonderful logic, pre crisis Darkseid was the biggest jobber aura in existence because he pimpslapped down so many kriptonians back in the day, that it was silly.

Most people agree that for example Surfer - I use him because he's a famous example - suddenly loses half his powers, doesn't use his speed, or not much and decides to take Thanos down in a fist fight.

That's Thanos having a jobber aura. Thor is a pretty versatile fighter with Mjolnir but he doesn't use his hammer that much against Thanos. He mostly just punches him with it. But then again, when he uses it, Thanos feels it.

Thor has used the hammer against Thanos. Thor has used ubber attacks against Thanos. Thor has gone and use the hammer against Thanos, alied to heralds and it still didnt defeat him. SM doesnt work usually on that level.

4- And here you crumble. SM gets written at full potential but Thanos doesnt? He sure never beaten heralds, or taken shots from cosmics, or taken gems from cosmically fast guys, or shots from uber Gods..oh wait. He has. That brings to an earlier point. Thanos is more durable.

5- Or Superman`s. Oh by the way, what are your thoughs when SM managed to hold his own against Asmodel?

Just curious.

And your wrong. And you hate it for being wrong. We have all the reason to assume hes stronger, because :

as you will surely notice, every single top tier that Thanos has faced, happens to have way more lifting feats than he does. And they still lose. Its a matter of the level hes in. Thanos smokes Top tiers usually, and SM doesnt.

Its fact. Printed fact. Written fact. Constant fact. How more direct can you be?

Thanos is strong. Very strong. Class 100 and all that jazz. Definitely stronger than a normal Hulk, even stronger than an angry Hulk. Imo however he's not stronger than a truly pissed off Hulk, but that's another story.

But even though Thanos is strong as hell, so is Superman. How can you tell who's the strongest. Well, we look at their feats. Hey, how about his : Superman has insane strength feats, and Thanos has, erm, no real strength feats.

Or, to make myself more clear, no strength feats to convince me he is stronger than Superman. Everything Thanos has done, Superman can do also. Only a lot faster.

Expected replies

But... but... Thanos took a beating from Odin !

That's not so much physical strength, that's just awesome durability, a thing that Superman also possesses by the way.

But... but... he blasted Galactus

Thanos blasted Galactus once. True. Thanks to his amazing skill, he managed to hit an almost non-moving and 30 feet tall target once. The target struck back however, and was about to kill Thanos, who begged for his life.

Some feat.

But...but... he pimpslapped both Hulk and Drax !

Second, he only knocked them back for exactly one panel, because the very next panel, they were back up, ready to kick his ass. Thanos fled.

But...but... he beat the Champion

And Thanos tricked him, he did not beat him in a physical way.

Do I need to go on ?

1- I want you to answer if you consider pre crisis Darkseid a jobber aura character. Because if you DONT, you have no reason whatsoever to cry havoc about a character that like Darkseid at the day has always (excepting one or two examples) PUNKING top tiers constantly.

That means regulary written at a higher level. Fact. Simple.

2- What YOU consider its of little avail to me. I go by what the comics SHOW. You claimed Thor never used his hammer in a smart way. Do a research. Read his bouts with Thanos and then come back and try to tell the same thing.

And Thor is still more powerful and as strong as SM. You dont have to like it, but a guy that has planetary level strength feats without boosts, its SM level. Plain and simple.

3- Heres news for you. Thanos has survived black holes. One that was even designed to kill him. Ask around the issue.

4- He did pretty good against someone that was noticed by the "Presence" itself. Explain your stance about that one. Was Asmodel sold out? No?

5- Explain how DD can be considered stronger than SM. Explain how original Abomination was considered stronger than Savage Hulk. Explain Titanus beating hulk.

Your on the wrong side. If you figth someone and beat his ass, even tough you have no lifting feats, it simply means your stronger.

Because in that case, Doomsday isent even top tier, correct?

Ill remember that the next time someone gets DD against Hulk. He should by all means LOSE like a bastard because he has no lifting feats. Beating SM and other top tiers like Orion, have no place in your world of logic.

Originally posted by olympian
If you figth someone and beat his ass, even tough you have no lifting feats, it simply means your stronger.

Or it could mean youre as strong or close to being as strong. It could also mean the person youre fighting is less durable than you.😬

Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Or it could mean youre as strong or close to being as strong. It could also mean the person youre fighting is less durable than you.😬

Just my 2 cents.

People, they are not the same !!

A beating like Abomination gave to Hulk the first time?

Theres no place to argue. He beat him down like nothing. Hes stronger. And no one is going to call Hulk "low durable".

same thing with DD. Beat SM down in HP. The guy couldnt do a thing. And no one is going to call SM "low durable" either.

They wer both stronger. But since they had no lifting feats, let alone in the level of theyr opponents, it must surely mean it couldnt happen.

My 2 cents? Its a flawed logic. The writers wanted those to be on a higher level and wrote them as such. And Thanos falls in the same category.

Its simple.

Originally posted by who?-kid
It's a mistake almost every single Thanos worshipper makes : they confuse durability with strength.

People, they are not the same !!

How about answering the questions i made. About each example i provided i want you to explain how they werent stronger, when we saw all of them taking down the main guns.

Originally posted by who?-kid
It's a mistake almost every single Thanos worshipper makes : they confuse durability with strength.

People, they are not the same !!

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Originally posted by olympian
What YOU consider its of little avail to me. I go by what the comics SHOW.

And lifting power = punching power (more or less). So Superman hits harder.

And Thor is still more powerful and as strong as SM.

Heres news for you. Thanos has survived black holes. One that was even designed to kill him.

5- Explain how DD can be considered stronger than SM. Explain how original Abomination was considered stronger than Savage Hulk. Explain Titanus beating hulk.

Your on the wrong side. If you figth someone and beat his ass, even tough you have no lifting feats, it simply means your stronger.

So it was only durability that took down Thor and others at the same time before his powerup?

was he using only durability when he beat Drax?

Was he using only durability when he mocked Thor, Herc, Thing and Hulk at the same time? Or when he pimpslaped Drax and Hulk?

Man, the blue love is really going strong 😆

Thats the same as saying SM only does as good against CM just because of his durability. Nope. Strength has nothing to do with it.

Adding 2 more cents.

Doesnt/didnt Abomination always be stronger than Hulks start-off level? Hes also easily as durable as Hulk if not slightly less durable. That would explain the ass whoopin. What usually happened when Hulk surpassed Abom? Hed beat his ass.

At times a character can be known to be a team buster. True Thanos was handleing many powerhouses, but it shows more of a durability feat than an actual strength feat imo. If you are at the same level of strength or even equal or slightly weaker, you can ko the other opponent. It has been shown in comics over and over again. Its the durability that plays the major factor here.

Hulk as fought and Ironman, Namor, Wonderman, Hercules at the same time before as well and pretty much dominated. They are all around the same strength level give or take a few tons. If Hulk wasnt as durable as he is, the fight may have gone another way.

Not saying that Thanos isnt as strong or very close to the strongest beings, because that clear. To say hes stronger, would be and is an assumption. Id be inclinded to say hes more durable. I wouldnt have any doubts about that. Just my opinion on he subject.

To who-Kid?:

1- Your not being funny,you cant be that blind ❌

Doomsday NEVER lifted anything close to what Superman did. In fact he has no lifting feats of worth.

Was it jobbing that allowed SM to get beat down? Dont dodge. Explain. Thanos OTOH at least has one. Destroying a planet when charging against Drax 😆

2- A guy that has planetary moving force and has demostrated it:

He destroyed a dimension door with a mere punch.

He pulled the Midgard Serpent alone.

He moved the world engine alone

He created earth moving strength in a simple armwrestling match against Hercules

All without boosts. Unlike SM moving Warlord. Thats not SM level?

3- Does it matter? He survived black holes. So did SM. Want numbers? When did SM survived several straigth shots from a guy with Odin`s levels and still going?

4- Ill ask again:

"Explain how DD can be considered stronger than SM. Explain how original Abomination was considered stronger than Savage Hulk. Explain Titanus beating hulk"

You claim that characters with no lifting feats cant be consider stronger than characters who have lifting feats. Thanos is an example. Abomination, Doomsday and Titannus are others. Next to zero feats in lifting and yet they punked the big guns.

Explain or concead.

5- It would be if he head beaten SM silly with just raw strength and power like the examples above.

And he didnt.

Originally posted by olympian
1- Your not being funny,you cant be that blind ❌

Doomsday NEVER lifted anything close to what Superman did. In fact he has no lifting feats of worth.

Was it jobbing that allowed SM to get beat down? Dont dodge. Explain.

Thanos OTOH at least has one. Destroying a planet when charging against Drax 😆

2- A guy that has planetary moving force and has demostradted it, its SM level.

He destroyed a dimension door with a mere punch.

He pulled the Midgard Serpent alone.

He moved the world engine alone

He created earth moving strength in a somple armwrestling match against Hercules

All without boosts. Unlike SM moving Warlord. Thats not SM level?

3- Does it matter? He survived black holes. So did Sm. Want numbers? When did SM survived several straigth shots from a guy with Odin`s levels and still going?

4- Ill ask again:

"Explain how DD can be considered stronger than SM. Explain how original Abomination was considered stronger than Savage Hulk. Explain Titanus beating hulk"

You claim that characters with no lifting feats can be consider stronger than characters who have lifting feats. Thanos is an example. Abomination, Doomsday and Titannus are others. Next to zero feats in lifting and yet they punked the big guns.

Explain or concead.

5- It would be if he head beaten SM silly with just raw strength and power like the examples above.

And he didnt.