Originally posted by olympianHe destroyed a dimension door with a mere punch.
Yes some more recent than that one from SM.And unlike those, happilly in continuity.
He pulled the Midgard Serpent alone.
He moved the world engine alone
He created earth moving strength in a simple armwrestling match against Hercules
Those were within the last ten years?
Is he CONSISTANTLY as strong as Superman in your opinion?
Feats from 20-30 years ago, may have happened, but they show no consistancy. And while there's no "Crisis" to seperate a new era, Marvel certainly went through the same phase of moving away from generic comics.
Also, as far as DC is... Pre Crisis is still continuity, it still happened.. The very fact many remember the Crisis proves that. Superman is one of those characters.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Adding 2 more cents.Doesnt/didnt Abomination always be stronger than Hulks start-off level? Hes also easily as durable as Hulk if not slightly less durable. That would explain the ass whoopin. What usually happened when Hulk surpassed Abom? Hed beat his ass.
At times a character can be known to be a team buster. True Thanos was handleing many powerhouses, but it shows more of a durability feat than an actual strength feat imo. If you are at the same level of strength or even equal or slightly weaker, you can ko the other opponent. It has been shown in comics over and over again. Its the durability that plays the major factor here.
Hulk as fought and Ironman, Namor, Wonderman, Hercules at the same time before as well and pretty much dominated. They are all around the same strength level give or take a few tons. If Hulk wasnt as durable as he is, the fight may have gone another way.
Not saying that Thanos isnt as strong or very close to the strongest beings, because that clear. To say hes stronger, would be and is an assumption. Id be inclinded to say hes more durable. I wouldnt have any doubts about that. Just my opinion on he subject.
1- Wich is what im talking about. Abomination whe he showed up had 0 feats. Zero.
And he beat Hulk for good. How? because the writer wanted him on a higher level and wrote as accordantly. I dont recall how the second match between both went, but ive heard from Abom mocking Hulk and leaving the guard down from the device that gave him back his original strength level going kaput and thus making him weaker. Cant say. I do remember him dominating Hulk until a point.
And Abomination lost his original strength after the first match. It was given again for the second and lost it again (maybe in the middle of it) and never regained it back until this day.
2- A reason why Thanos is > SM is because in relation to Thor: SM has troubles and has the figth of his life so to speak, and Thanos doesnt have the same problems. Hes better. And treats Thor in a way, even strengthwise that SM didnt. Thats higher level.
3- I separate the two rounds. The first Hercules alone stalemate him. Hulk wasent stronger. In the second, even if Hulk started dying i take him as stronger because Herc with backup wasent doing better.
The reason this still isent as impresive as Thanos is: Hulk in either case didnt beat down any top tier. Herc was always up and unharmed for example and he was the one at the time to be called the big gun of both teams, strengthwise. He has more troubles in the second match, but came nowhere close to be beaten or harmed. Thus while some difference existed it couldnt be much.
The one guy that Hulk beat down tho, was Samson. But not top tier and he wasent even knocked out.
Thanos mocked these guys and they wer losing. Hulk isent written constantly as above the other big guns. He can get there but in way of doing what Thanos usally does? Thats alot.
4- I appreciatte it.
Originally posted by Juntai
He destroyed a dimension door with a mere punch.He pulled the Midgard Serpent alone.
He moved the world engine alone
He created earth moving strength in a simple armwrestling match against Hercules
Those were within the last ten years?
One at least is.
And luckly all in continuity.
Originally posted by Juntai
Is he CONSISTANTLY as strong as Superman in your opinion?
Feats from 20-30 years ago, may have happened, but they show no consistancy. And while there's no "Crisis" to seperate a new era, Marvel certainly went through the same phase of moving away from generic comics.Also, as far as DC is... Pre Crisis is still continuity, it still happened.. The very fact many remember the Crisis proves that. Superman is one of those characters.
1- Regulary wise, yes, Imo. SM doesnt treat Orion, CM, WW and others the way Thanos treats Drax, Thor, Hulk, Herc and Surfer.
2- Since the Marvel side had no rebuilting, the feats are brough down when hey wish. Just look at the last Thor run. Full of crazy stuff. See the last Ares mini. Crazy feats.
And Thanos happens to be one character that never got the darkseid treatment to this day. Hes constantly written as at least above herald level. So far.
3- I dont have a problem with that Juntai. But just like Darkseid, unless they write them back to pre crisis levels i wont give them chances to a guy that treats top tiers like rag dolls.
Not when both Darkseid and SM post crisis history so far, contains problems with that very level.
Originally posted by olympianNo more in continuity than Superman sneezing away a solar system before the Crisis. 😉
One at least is.And luckly all in continuity.
We all know Hulk can't punch planets in half and hold universes apart or leap into entropy and save the multiverse anymore.
There was a time when Marvel comics got serious too.
Its no more canonical than DC's "Pre Crisis" as I pointed out, Superman remembers The Crisis. He recognized the other Superman from Crisis. So those feats could be considered just as 'in continuity' as 30-40 year old Thor and Hulk feats. Why not? Supes is at about that level anyways, able to rub his hands together to close black holes, heal the ozone with heat vision, punch moons in half, fly several times lightspeed.
And even besides the point, random moments from decades ago doesn't show a consistant strength level of matching up with Supes who does high end feats on such a regular basis...
Take into account, a woman lifting a side of a car up off the ground to save her baby, during an adrenaline rush, once in her lifetime... That doesn't mean she's on the level of a bodybuilder who lifts trucks for practice day in day out.
Originally posted by olympian
I hate you all to make me defend a character thats not even my fav 😒It was enligthing tho. Hercules with great lifting feats > Doomsday with none i guess 👿
Easy chaps. Its humor.
I dont really go by the "whoevers lifting feats are better means they are stronger" debate. If that was the case Captain Marvel(Billy) wouldnt even be stronger than Jonn. Juggernaut would barely be stronger than Thing or Spiderman.
Originally posted by olympianhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesmot13.jpgWhat about that team?
1- Regulary wise, yes, Imo. SM doesnt treat Orion, CM, WW and others the way Thanos treats Drax, Thor, Hulk, Herc and Surfer.
And I can't find the scan to it offhand, but the one from Superman/Batman, where Supes mops up, Green Lantern, and like another dozen heavy hitters at once in a couple panels.
Shit, just since Crisis, he took on like half a dozen of his rogues gallery in one issue, followed that with defeating a Kryptonian Warship, then followed that with the 'day in the life' type of issue, and showed Supes tackling more threats before lunch than most heros do in a month.
Supes is up there with just about anyone.
Supes vs a city of villains.
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Originally posted by Juntai
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Do you really hold that feasible?
Thanos downed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Thanosdown2.jpg
Thanos downed again. [Was he actually toppled by a Spiderman kick?]
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Originally posted by jrodslamWhy not? Most of those characters have either lost to Superman several times, or themselves noted that they would stand no chance against him. Either way, nothing we say will make it less canon. And it's certainly no worse than all the guys jobbing to Thanos.
Do you really hold that feasible?
Originally posted by Juntai
Why not? Most of those characters have either lost to Superman several times, or themselves noted that they would stand no chance against him. Either way, nothing we say will make it less canon. And it's certainly no worse than all the guys jobbing to Thanos.
I guess you have a point there. Although, how many of them would actually stand no chance against Supes?
Originally posted by jrodslamIt's beside the point, the point was, Olympian was making a sideways claim that Supes doesn't do well against high end characters or teams.. but then its shown repeatedly, and now we question the validty or actuality of it? Doesn't seem right when no one is doing the same to Thanos' feats when Surfer has shown the capacity to deal with a character like him in a rediculous amount of ways but doesn't whenever confrontation happens. People just accept that he can't beat Thanos. But when Supes runs over Green Lanterns or teams acting just as much of a dummy as Surfer and teams do against Thanos a dozen or so times, its "Oh, but he couldn't actually do that." It's sort of a double standard.
I guess you have a point there. Although, how many of them would actually stand no chance against Supes?
Originally posted by Juntai
It's beside the point, the point was, Olympian was making a sideways claim that Supes doesn't do well against high end characters or teams.. but then its shown repeatedly, and now we question the validty or actuality of it? Doesn't seem right when no one is doing the same to Thanos' feats when Surfer has shown the capacity to deal with a character like him in a rediculous amount of ways but doesn't whenever confrontation happens. People just accept that he can't beat Thanos. But when Supes runs over Green Lanterns or teams acting just as much of a dummy as Surfer and teams do against Thanos a dozen or so times, its "Oh, but he couldn't actually do that." It's sort of a double standard.
I agree.
Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos downed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Thanosdown2.jpgThanos downed again. [Was he actually toppled by a Spiderman kick?]
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/thanosdown.jpg
First pic , Thanos depowered himself so he could toy/have fun with the heroes. To give them a .000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of beating him.
Second pic. See first response.
Originally posted by InhumanHe let down the GAUNTLET'S powers. But he doesn't have that in this thread anyways.
First pic , Thanos depowered himself so he could toy/have fun with the heroes. To give them a .000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of beating him.Second pic. See first response.
Whats your point?
