Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: FINALS! Scoobless vs. Blair Wind

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I cant see all the pictures. But it doesnt matter. Carbon is made up of earth atoms. It makes things from graphite to diamonds. All are under Crystals control. There really is nothing you can say to that.

Again... he isn't actually pure carbon... if he was he wouldn't be alive... just like the Thing isn't actually made of rock (and she can't control him either)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
she took all the pollution out of a thirty mile raduis. She took, felt the disturbance (without moving too see it) and expelled it. Here she is shown making cloths. Why am I showing this? because it shows that she can create things out of precise control of her powers. It might not seem like a big deal, but the precision needed to create two sets of clothes is really great.

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys77jb.jpg

Once again... a scan of her doing something when under no external pressure (ie - nobody's trying to kill her in that scan.... or any other scan you've shown where you claim she can do complicated stuff without concentrating)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
also just to say she could raise the temp. around everyone

IM absorbs heat for energy

Hermod moves too fast for her to target.... plus his speed means the flames/heat wouldn't effect him much (if at all) like passing your hand through a candle flame quickly.... times 100,000

TS's mace allows him to go through atmospheric reentry with no problem..... plus he can just absorb all her energy like Thor did to the presence:

By attacking Thunderstrike with her own energy she effectively takes herself out of the fight!

🙂

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I would also mention, my powerhouses have a lil weapon that I really had not needed to use before. However Ironman provided the perfect target. I could simply come up to ironman at mach speeds and ......

Yup... come up at mach speeds and slam into the shields.... knocking yourself the hell out!

🙂

Originally posted by Blair Wind
My versitility really is just plain better than yours.

Only in respect to your team's suicidal tendencies:

One of them is slamming into shields at mach speeds killing themselves

Another is using energy attacks on Thunderstrike and geting themselves completely drained

DB-P is flying at speeds he can't handle and turning himself into a smear on the wall

And your Wendigos will probably eat each other

😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thunderstrike is ineffective: his arm is slowed

So maybe the mace goes from being thrown at light-speed to being thrown at 90% of light-speed.... it's still unavoidable and more than any of your team can handle

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironman: has either been A) burned alive B) hit with lava and a siesmic wave or C) his suit has been absorbed

Insulative shielding, armour durability and energy shielding prevent all of those from being possibilities

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hermond: gravity makes him its *****.....

Hermod (no N in the name) is invisible to your team.... they'll never se him to atack him with anything

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Charcoal: controlled by Crystal.

No he isn't (i already explained why)

And just for further reference.... Human beings are carbon based life forms as well.... show me a scan of her turning a person into lava

Charcoal is no more "earth" than you are!

Originally posted by Scoobless
Again... he isn't actually pure carbon... if he was he wouldn't be alive... just like the Thing isn't actually made of rock (and she can't control him either)

From his own bio: Body Transformation-Self: Charcoal has a body composed of carbon. He can take on any form of carbon, from soft, heavy coal to pure diamond. (*coal and diamonds are both rocks and her power over "earth" would naturally include them and therefore him as well.) Besides he couldn't transform into "pure" diamond unless his body was made of only carbon.

It would seem to me that she could control him just as easily as she could control someone made of air or water 🙄

It would seem to me that she could control him just as easily as she could control someone made of air or water, but maybe that's just me.
Once again... a scan of her doing something when under no external pressure (ie - nobody's trying to kill her in that scan.... or any other scan you've shown where you claim she can do complicated stuff without concentrating)

really? seems to be doing precise control here:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

and here:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys92mq.jpg

and oh here shes making the energy flare, and if she didnt she would be dead:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys150hl.jpg

hmmm here maybe?:

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys186xq.jpg

or maybe controlling an unexpected blast?

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys194po.jpg

IM absorbs heat for energy

thats nice....does he absorb it when its in his own suit?

is there oxygen in his suit? yes.

can Crystal ignite it? yes?

his countermeasures are meaningless -- since you say he has made countermeausures for all avengers show an ability to be immune to thor's magic in his regualr armor, or any other avengers powers. even current sw -- is he immune to her? no? didnt think so

tony should fall immediately and be a burnt crisp

Hermod moves too fast for her to target.... plus his speed means the flames/heat wouldn't effect him much (if at all) like passing your hand through a candle flame quickly.... times 100,000

very nice....if the field werent in place right before the match. Powerhouses and Crystals combined take care of your weakest link.

Yup... come up at mach speeds and slam into the shields.... knocking yourself the hell out!

hitting it with combined Zero G punches is gonna weaken it and break it.

but then again, your already an empty husk of a suit right?

So maybe the mace goes from being thrown at light-speed to being thrown at 90% of light-speed.... it's still unavoidable and more than any of your team can handle

unavoidable??? 🙄
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg

Insulative shielding, armour durability and energy shielding prevent all of those from being possibilities

not from INSIDE his suit 🙄

and the seismic powers are gonna work as well. Sorta like a vibrational technique.....

Hermod (no N in the name) is invisible to your team.... they'll never se him to atack him with anything

he wont be doing anything with a gravity field up already.

No he isn't (i already explained why)

yes he is...I already explained why 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Blair Wind
From his own bio: Body Transformation-Self: Charcoal has a body composed of [b]carbon. He can take on any form of carbon, from soft, heavy coal to pure diamond. (*coal and diamonds are both rocks and her power over "earth" would naturally include them and therefore him as well.) Besides he couldn't transform into "pure" diamond unless his body was made of only carbon. [/B]

yadda, yadda, yadda..... people are carbon as well.... show her turning a person inside out (or whatever) then i'll consider it

He clearly isn't "pure" carbon or he wouldn't be able to move... he's an organic version of carbon... same way the Thing is organic rock

Originally posted by Blair Wind
really? seems to be doing precise control here:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

A quick water dousing is nowhere near the level of precision needed for what you're suggesting here

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and here:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys92mq.jpg

Animating clay from a safe distance while under no attack to her person... irrelevant... next

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and oh here shes making the energy flare, and if she didnt she would be dead:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys150hl.jpg

The guy seemed pretty surprised.... she must have been at it for a while before managing it.... plus she wasn't under attack (or at least your scan doesn't show any attack).... once again... irrelevant

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hmmm here maybe?:

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys186xq.jpg

Firing at a target from a safe distance while, again, in no immediate physical danger herself..... you still haven't shown anything to support the "ignite oxygen in a fast moving heavily shielded target while under heavy fire" argument

Originally posted by Blair Wind
or maybe controlling an unexpected blast?

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys194po.jpg

Some sort of flame attack? flame doesn't move very fast and throwing up a shield around herself is nowhere near as complicated as what you're suggesting she can do.... in fact shielding herself is basic self preservation..... it's like throwing your arms up in front of your face

Is that what you wanted to show? .... various scans and not a single one that has any relevance to your argument?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
thats nice....does he absorb it when its in his own suit?

Life support regulates the suits internal temperature... not that it matters here as you can't through the various levels of shielding while he's moving and you're under constant fire

Originally posted by Blair Wind
very nice....if the field werent in place right before the match.

Nothing offensive is in place right before the match... that's been a rule of all tourneys, only defensive shields and such can be erected during prep..... by the time you react, Hermod's less than a blur and has quite possibly KOd any single member of your team... such as the defenceless DB-P

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hitting it with combined Zero G punches is gonna weaken it and break it.

Not bloody likely, if the kid attacks at mach speed he's gonna break a few of his bones on the shield.... if he's conscious (which he probably wont be) and hanging around after the first attack either IM blasts him dead or Thunderstrike smites him with his mighty uru mace

Originally posted by Blair Wind
[b]unavoidable???
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg[/B]

lol.... Cap had about twenty seconds to figure out how to stop that attack cos Thor went into lecture mode and let everyone know what he was gonna do before he did it.... no warnings here.... and no Cap to save you 😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
not from INSIDE his suit

Actually the shielding prevents your psionic signal from penetrating the suit in the first place

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and the seismic powers are gonna work as well. Sorta like a vibrational technique

Oh is that all?..... IM's inertial dampeners will take care of any vibrational attacks automatically...the same way it stops bullets ricocheting off his armour and harming civilians

Originally posted by Blair Wind
he wont be doing anything with a gravity field up already

Field isn't up pre-match.... and Hermod would undoubtedly react faster than any other person in this fight.... by the time your field is going up he's already amongst you causing serious damage
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But none of this really matters once your Duplicate Boy Prime splatters himself all over JP's uru walls when he starts flying at mach speeds

At least he'll probably win the comedic tourney death award (and if one of the dupe Wendigos eats the Madrox Prime Wendigo you'll get first and second place)

😂

Originally posted by Scoobless
yadda, yadda, yadda..... people are carbon as well.... show her turning a person inside out (or whatever) then i'll consider it

He clearly isn't "pure" carbon or he wouldn't be able to move... he's an organic version of carbon... same way the Thing is organic rock.

hey its comic science. He IS pure carbon, pure and simple, his bio states it and he can become PURE diamond. Thats not possible unless he was pure cabon. Pure carbon is much more different than carbon based things.

A quick water dousing is nowhere near the level of precision needed for what you're suggesting here

plus manipulating her own molecules? pffffffffft your smarter than that...

Animating clay from a safe distance while under no attack to her person... irrelevant... next

having to move it, while fighting......ya that takes massive control that is easy for her

The guy seemed pretty surprised.... she must have been at it for a while before managing it.... plus she wasn't under attack (or at least your scan doesn't show any attack).... once again... irrelevant

He was suprised she was able to do it, but a while? please.....no but she was under a time limit....

Firing at a target from a safe distance while, again, in no immediate physical danger herself..... you still haven't shown anything to support the "ignite oxygen in a fast moving heavily shielded target while under heavy fire" argument.

Your shielded argument isnt working. IW>IM in sheilds, physically and psionically. Period. Crysal was able to get into her shield. She will be able to do it here.
your "heavy fire" can be dealt with by Powerhouse

Life support regulates the suits internal temperature... not that it matters here as you can't through the various levels of shielding while he's moving and you're under constant fire.

Constant fire? All your fire can be absorbed by Powerhouse. You have nothing in terms of offense to handle him and Crystal. Remember all my attacks are multiplied by the fact that I have 14 characters....and 7 of them can control gravity, 3 can control powerbomb, have mach speeds, and can absorb energy, and 4 can control all the elements

Nothing offensive is in place right before the match... that's been a rule of all tourneys, only defensive shields and such can be erected during prep..... by the time you react, Hermod's less than a blur and has quite possibly KOd any single member of your team... such as the defenceless DB-P.

Its not offensive. Its a defensive sheild, because it prevents you from getting to me. Try again.

Not bloody likely, if the kid attacks at mach speed he's gonna break a few of his bones on the shield.... if he's conscious (which he probably wont be) and hanging around after the first attack either IM blasts him dead or Thunderstrike smites him with his mighty uru mace.

hmmmm happened instantly

It seems that she cannot only summon water from the sky but use highly pressurized air to propel the water as an offensive weapon. Kind of like her own massive water cannon that she can control
http://www.tenix.com/ImageLibrary/Page_467_1.jpg
(Scarlet Witch even tell her to let them down easily suggesting that she is knocking them into the air and keeping them up there at will). Just like she should be able to combine her control over fire and air to create a flamethrower effect.

sorta looks like enough water and air control to do that maelstorm from before right scoobs? 😮‍💨

lol.... Cap had about twenty seconds to figure out how to stop that attack cos Thor went into lecture mode and let everyone know what he was gonna do before he did it.... no warnings here.... and no Cap to save you 😛

its a fight, I dont need warnings, when a guys slow moving arm is being "flung" at me and while he has vertigo.

Actually the shielding prevents your psionic signal from penetrating the suit in the first place

no it doesnt. Hes never made countermeausures for Crytsal. and again IW>IM. Its just a fact of life and comics in terms of sheilding

Field isn't up pre-match.... and Hermod would undoubtedly react faster than any other person in this fight.... by the time your field is going up he's already amongst you causing serious damage

oh but it is. Sheilds have always been allowed. 😈 try again.

just to show her control and how fast she can react to a problem:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1272/crysfeat19ly.gif

Originally posted by Blair Wind
hey its comic science.

Either show her turning the Thing inside out or let it go... the only one who can control Charcoal is Charcoal

Originally posted by Blair Wind
having to move it, while fighting......ya that takes massive control that is easy for her

She seemed to think it was difficult enough....... and it's not like it moving and fighting were two different feats...they are one thing - that she found difficult - while in no immediate physical danger

I can juggle pretty well.... but if someone started shooting at me my concentration would definitely be affected and i'd drop the balls

You've shown nothing (in this or any other post) to suggest Crystal can perform complex tasks while attempting to defend herself

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Your shielded argument isnt working. IW>IM in sheilds, physically and psionically. Period.

Physically, yes

Psionically, no.... IM's shielding deters psionic energy.... Mentallo once multiplied his power and entered the minds of almost every being on earth... Stark's defences stopped him from getting into his head.... same thing here

IW's shields haven't been designed for specific purposes like Stark's.... your comparisons are flawed at best

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I have 14 characters

Until DB-P takes to the air and kills himself and five others in a single move..... and the Wendigos start eating each other

🙂

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its not offensive. Its a defensive sheild, because it prevents you from getting to me.

If it adversely effects my characters just by being there then it's offensive

Originally posted by Blair Wind
sorta looks like enough water and air control to do that maelstorm from before right scoobs?

Not even remotely close... you're comparing 1 water jet to an entire ocean

Originally posted by Blair Wind
its a fight, I dont need warnings, when a guys slow moving arm is being "flung" at me and while he has vertigo.

He wont be slowed at all at the start of the fight ... especially from a mile away.... and he definitely wont have vertigo (another precision move you can't perform)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
just to show her control and how fast she can react to a problem:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1272/crysfeat19ly.gif

yup... have a raving lunatic monologue for five minutes in front of her and she eventually responds "instinctively"

😂

most people's instincts don't wait for the end of a maniacal rant
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However you cut it Duplicate Boy Prime cannot survive my attacks or his own ill advised flight plans

it's Crystal and Powerhouse, alone, against my full team..... and they'll probably have to fight a pack of pissed of Wendigos as well

🙂

Originally posted by Scoobless
Either show her turning the Thing inside out or let it go... the only one who can control Charcoal is Charcoal

laughable at best. The thing is NOT rock. He is not the same as someone whos powers is to be and form ALL things types of CARBON. Sorry but charcoal is under MY control

IW's shields haven't been designed for specific purposes like Stark's.... your comparisons are flawed at best

Until DB-P takes to the air and kills himself and five others in a single move..... and the Wendigos start eating each other

If it adversely effects my characters just by being there then it's offensive

only once you get in my field. My field will however be up. Hermod will run, and then suddenly be propelled down and away by my varouis gravity fields.

Not even remotely close... you're comparing 1 water jet to an entire ocean

thats a big ass water jet.....moving and knocking all those people out....

and he definitely wont have vertigo

thunderstrike will....

yup... have a raving lunatic monologue for five minutes in front of her and she eventually responds "instinctively"

😂

most people's instincts don't wait for the end of a maniacal rant

However you cut it Duplicate Boy Prime cannot survive my attacks or his own ill advised flight plans.

it's Crystal and Powerhouse, alone, against my full team.....

plus my 5 dupelicates and my wendigo darts. You failed. Try again.

how many crystals are there again and do they ALL possess her exact level of power?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
laughable at best. The thing is NOT rock. He is not the same as someone whos powers is to be and form ALL things types of CARBON. Sorry but charcoal is under MY control

Nope, Thing isn't actually rock and Charcoal isn't actually Carbon (hence the ability to move and think)

At the most Crystal might be able to fight for control.... but Charcoal is much better at controlling himself than she would be... she would have to use her full concentration focused on him the whole battle to attempt control.... which would mean she isn't helping the rest of her team in any way

Originally posted by Blair Wind
getting into his head and igniting the oxygen reserves he has are two comepletey different things.

-sigh-

You're still missing the point.... telepathic energy is psionic energy ... the same type as Crystal uses to control things mentally .... his armour is shielded from psionic energy .... it wouldn't stop Xavier for long, but it would give him a moments pause.... lower level psionics would have more trouble

Originally posted by Blair Wind
DB is doing nothing but dodging.

Dodging himself at high speed into a wall and an early grave.... the boy can't handle flight ring speeds in such a small room

Legion Flight Rings:

http://members.shaw.ca/legion_of_super-heroes/transportation/air/

Controlled through willpower.... startle him enough or stun him and he falls...... this boys seconds really are numbered

The flight ring contains circuitry for signaling and is composed of metal:

That ring (and anything else metallic that you're carrying) are mine.

(FYI .... magnetism doesn't effect uru)

Or a simple EMP can short it out while DBP is trying to commit suicide by flying into Batman's corpse

EMPs also screw up psionic powers.... Crystal's powers will be uncontrollable for a few minutes

Originally posted by Blair Wind
they didnt know she was about to blow herself up.....

Yeah, the crazy ranting, threats and glowing woman didn't give it away at all...... maybe Crystal's just a moron

Originally posted by Blair Wind
tsheilded by a powerhouse and doing nothing more than dodging, your gonna be too busy dying to worry about him

I'm not worried about him in the slightest... either I kill him or he kills himself

R.I.P. DBP ..... cry

Originally posted by Blair Wind
plus my 5 dupelicates and my wendigo darts

Your DB dupes all vanish the second DBP's unconscious and Wendigos are the dumbest, slowest, least maneuverable things in the fight (except maybe Crystal)

Originally posted by leonidas
how many crystals are there again and do they ALL possess her exact level of power?

the original and three dupes.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nope, Thing isn't actually rock and Charcoal isn't actually Carbon (hence the ability to move and think)

At the most Crystal might be able to fight for control....

sorry, but no. What you are saying is that pure elements cant exist as human comic characters? Sooooo what about iceman who happens to be PURE ice? or when he is water vapor, and exists as water?? He is purely those elements and guess what? he exists!! he can move and think and everything!!! 🙄

and what about Hydroman who turns to pure water?

or even sandman?

please, Charcoals bio states PURE carbon. He can do things that only a creature composed to pure carbon can do. End of story.

and Crystal can control him pure and simple. What your saying is something like Magneto coudnt control Colosus when we all know he can.

-sigh-

You're still missing the point.... telepathic energy is psionic energy ... the same type as Crystal uses to control things mentally .... his armour is shielded from psionic energy .... it wouldn't stop Xavier for long, but it would give him a moments pause.... lower level psionics would have more trouble

but thats besides the point. Ironman has never created anything to counter Crystal. Psionics use so many different energy signatures and frequencies that and Crystals seems to be different from almost everyone (in being able to get through Sues shield) Ironman will not have a defense against her.

Dodging himself at high speed into a wall and an early grave.... the boy can't handle flight ring speeds in such a small room

the boy was given a flight ring A LONG time ago....he knows how to use it

Legion Flight Rings:

http://members.shaw.ca/legion_of_super-heroes/transportation/air/

Controlled through willpower.... startle him enough or stun him and he falls...... this boys seconds really are numbered

not if there is a powerhouse there with him

The flight ring contains circuitry for signaling and is composed of metal:

That ring (and anything else metallic that you're carrying) are mine.

(FYI .... magnetism doesn't effect uru)

fyi, I know....I have magnetism too....

EMPs also screw up psionic powers.... Crystal's powers will be uncontrollable for a few minutes

psionic MUTANTS powers. Crystals powers were given through the midst. Do you have a scan showing her being effected by an EMP?

I'm not worried about him in the slightest... either I kill him or he kills himself

not with my characters kicking you ass

Your DB dupes all vanish the second DBP's unconscious and Wendigos are the dumbest, slowest, least maneuverable things in the fight (except maybe Crystal)

cept he is still there, my crystal has greater reaction time than Charcoal and Ironman being an Inhuman and all. Wendigos are being thrown like a class 75 dart. Please try to understand that while they are eating your heart.

when does this fight end? any thoughts yet, judges/voters? i like to know how others are seeing things in case i've been missing something.

for me right now it seems a numbers thing (similar to bw's other fight) -- 3 crystals can do a LOT. i really hate the dupes (sorry bw) -- it seems to give too much of an advantage in any fight, but numbers mean a lot when contestants are fairly evenly matched . . .

what's everyone else thinking?

Originally posted by leonidas
what's everyone else thinking?

That the main Duplicate Boy is incredibly easy to take out in this fight when he has nowhere to hide and when he's KOd the rest of the duplicates vanish

Originally posted by Blair Wind
sorry, but no. What you are saying is that pure elements cant exist as human comic characters? Sooooo what about iceman who happens to be PURE ice? or when he is water vapor, and exists as water?? He is purely those elements and guess what? he exists!! he can move and think and everything!!! 🙄

and what about Hydroman who turns to pure water?

or even sandman?

Wrong, wrong and wrong again

Iceman exists as a non-corporeal consciousness that inhabits water molecules and controls them

Hydroman does not turn into pure water, it's only a water-like substance

Sandman also does not turn into pure sand

And Charcoal does not turn into pure carbon

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and Crystal can control him pure and simple. What your saying is something like Magneto coudnt control Colosus when we all know he can.

Completely different actually

Colossus's form is comprised of ferrous materials .... meaning they are affected by magnetism.... he isn't pure steel, he's an organic variance on steel

Originally posted by Blair Wind
but thats besides the point. Ironman has never created anything to counter Crystal.

Ironman will not have a defense against her.

Perhaps not specifically designed against her, but psionics are psionics... why would a super genius protect against only a single type when designing psionic defences? he wouldn't... he'd cover as many bases as possible

Doesn't matter though.... nothing you've shown even remotely suggests she'd be capable of affecting the interior of his armour while in a battle situation... she couldn't do it even if he wasn't protected

Originally posted by Blair Wind
the boy was given a flight ring A LONG time ago....he knows how to use it

Why would he? he's always had access to superhuman flight powers.... there's no reason to believe he's ever relied on the Legion ring for flight....

Now that he's forced to use it without any superhuman reaction abilities he wont be able to fly safely in such a confined area...

At top speed he'd be crossing the entire room in less than one second = dead meat waiting to happen

At a low speed like Mach one he'd be crossing the room in four seconds.... meaning he's slow enough to be an easy target but fast enough that he still can't stop himself from ramming face first into an indestructible wall

Your sole strength in this tourney is taken away ridiculously easily in this setting... the rest of your team just can't cut it alone

Originally posted by Blair Wind
not if there is a Powerhouse there with him

An extremely inexperienced Duplicate Powerhouse with only a few hours practice controlling his abilities = totally worthless bodyguard

Originally posted by Blair Wind
fyi, I know....I have magnetism too....

Cool...then your magnetic fields will screw up the Legion flight rings for me .... tx

🙂

Originally posted by Blair Wind
psionic MUTANTS powers. Crystals powers were given through the midst.

So what? how a person gained their powers is irrelevant.... she's a psionic = she'll be affected the same way by EMPs as other psionics are

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Wendigos are virtually mindless.... as soon as you enter the battle arena they'll be more likely to attack your team than anyone else due to proximity as CIS is on in these games

All your duplicates are still extremely inexperienced, Crystal took a lifetime to gain her current level of control over her powers.... i imagine Powerhouse took a good few years as well.... they'll be as useless as a learner driver on their second lesson

Then when DBP is taken out by the Wendigos, your magnetic fields, my magnetic fields, his own flying or my blasting, all those useless dupes vanish

The guy is in a world of trouble in this match..... everywhere he turns there's a new factor waiting to kill him ....especially as he has zero experience using a flight ring.... or of flight of any kind (as stolen power memories were all stripped before the tourney started)

To be honest, once B-Dub was able to go into each fight with 14-16 characters, he was pretty much given this tournament. The numbers and firepower his team presents is just too much (though I had him beat 2 rounds ago in the desert but people couldn't see past his numbers advantage to my speed, agility, and skill advantage...).

In this fight the only real threats to B-Dub's team are Ironman and Thunderstrike because they are the only characters with high end ranged attacks, but they can be trumped by B-Dubs collective 6 (4 Crystals and 2 Powerhouses) energy and elemental manipulators.

Having six Wendigos for canon fodder really helps too, especially given the battlefield.

Originally posted by illadelph12
they can be trumped by B-Dubs collective 6 (4 Crystals and 2 Powerhouses) energy and elemental manipulators.

Are people ignoring the fact that without Duplicate Boy Prime the Dupes dissapear?

And that he cannot defend himself AT ALL in this battlefield?

I've already gone through 3 or 4 reasons why he's so vulnerable and why he wont survive 1 minute in this fight

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P.S..... all the dupes are so inexperienced that their attempts to use Gravity or other wide area complicated powers will most likely hinder their own team

I've taken that into account Scoob.

Hell, I used that argument in my fight.

Difference here is that no one on your team knows anything about Duplicate Boy, and would have no reason to single him out, where as I had KK who is familiar with him, so I had the prerequisite knowledge that would prompt downing him.

That's why I vote for B-Dub.

When your 4 see B-Dub's 14 they'd have no way of discerning who the weak link is because none of them are DC characters, and when combat begins, finding one Dupe Boy Prime out of the 14 enemies on the field is asking a bit much with everything that is going to be transpiring.

Unless you're going to devote a character to following DB Prime and his Powerhouse Dupe bodyguard around while the rest of your team faces a 12:3 battle. And even then that's not really the best of tactics either.

I'm still open to being convinced otherwise. It's still Saturday.

edit

Oh, and for your PS, that was dealt with 2 rounds ago. Dizzle decreed that characters carry battle experience from round to round in the tournament.

I tried that argument too.

Originally posted by illadelph12
.....no reason to single him out.....

Unless you're going to devote a character to following DB Prime and his Powerhouse Dupe bodyguard around

The fact that one single character is running from the battle with a bodyguard is a perfect reason for taking him down..... if the other team is going to so much trouble to protect him he makes himself a primary target

The point is i wouldn't have to follow him around... he can't go fast within such an enclosed environment without killing himself... trust me... i did all the maths on this....🤓

One single repulsor blast is all it takes to kill him and cut BW's team in half

Originally posted by illadelph12
Oh, and for your PS, that was dealt with 2 rounds ago. Dizzle decreed that characters carry battle experience from round to round in the tournament.

That's not the point i'm making

I know they carry experience from round to round... but it's still only a couple of hours experience total

Blair already showed scans from years ago showing Crystal dealing with some fire guy... then saying that she has much more control of her powers these days than she did years ago

It took her an entire lifetime to get to her current level of control.... no way in hell is a duplicate going to get to any competent level of power usage after only two or three hours practice

It'd be like teaching a 10 year old how to Fly a jet fighter...they'll learn to switch the engine on... and maybe even learn where the weapon controls are.... but put them up in the air after a couple of hours and they'll crash and burn

Originally posted by Scoobless
Wrong, wrong and wrong again

Iceman exists as a non-corporeal consciousness that inhabits water molecules and controls them

your gonna debate iceman facts with me?? He can exist as a non corporeal form when he is in his mist and water forms. He however is naturally ICE. Out of all my comparisons he is most like Charcoal. He is ICE and can form into the other forms of ICE and can create ice. No two ways about it. Just like Charcoal is carbon, can create more carbon, and can exist as different forms of carbon. Kinda similar dont you think? 🙄

Hydroman does not turn into pure water, it's only a water-like substance

reaching.....anyone?? please, hes water. Give me one bio or scan that proves hes not.

Sandman also does not turn into pure sand.....

look above....replace water with sand.

And Charcoal does not turn into pure carbon

are you going against his own bio that YOU provided and the scans you have shown? wasnt there one where he turned to diamond?

Completely different actually

Colossus's form is comprised of ferrous materials .... meaning they are affected by magnetism.... he isn't pure steel, he's an organic variance on steel

Ithought he was made of a certain metal that slips my mind at the moment. I think it starts with a C......its known as the toughest metal on the planet....er why cant I remember!

doesnt matter the comparision is the same. Magneto controls METAL. Crystal controls EARTH. Both are respectivally plaything in their hands...

Doesn't matter though.... nothing you've shown even remotely suggests she'd be capable of affecting the interior of his armour while in a battle situation... she couldn't do it even if he wasn't protected

working her own molecules while in a battle situtaion so she wouldng get electricuted? how about placing so many differnt types of energy and forming them just right to pull of an energy flare? and taking ALL the polution from a thirty mile raduis? please, he has oxygen. In all actuallity this scan proves it

http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystalinhumans9zu.jpg

how, do you ask? It happened instantly, she took all the pollution from a thirty mile raduis and wasnt even lookin at what she was doing. Air moves, there are thousands of people in that air. To be able to pull all the dirty molecules takes precision. She can just "feel" the oxygen in his suit and blow it up. Ironman goes down hard. Wicked hard 😈

Why would he? he's always had access to superhuman flight powers.... there's no reason to believe he's ever relied on the Legion ring for flight....

same reason Monel or Ultra Boy had theres. Just in case. He has flown with it before.

At top speed he'd be crossing the entire room in less than one second = dead meat waiting to happen

hes not flying at you. Hes dodging (and he doesnt have to do much as powerhouse is absorbing and returning fire.)

Your sole strength in this tourney is taken away ridiculously easily in this setting... the rest of your team just can't cut it alone

please one Crystal is a tough job for Ironman. 4 of them? pffffft theres no way your gonna get to DBPrime

An extremely inexperienced Duplicate Powerhouse with only a few hours practice controlling his abilities = totally worthless bodyguard

hours of practice, plus battle expercience? please it doesnt take much work to absorb the energy your giving me. Thank you for that by the way 😄

So what? how a person gained their powers is irrelevant.... she's a psionic = she'll be affected the same way by EMPs as other psionics are

only Marvel Mutants psionics are effected. The basics is that they are connected to the electromagnetic field and their powers run through that. How are we supposed to know that Crystal works the same way? The midst could have connected her to the elements much differently. Thats possibly the reason she can get past sue's shields and Jean couldnt.....

Wendigos are virtually mindless.... as soon as you enter the battle arena they'll be more likely to attack your team than anyone else due to proximity as CIS is on in these games

are you totally ignoring the repeated statements that they are being FLUNG at you? Total class 75 beasts are on you.

Then when DBP is taken out by the Wendigos, your magnetic fields, my magnetic fields, his own flying or my blasting, all those useless dupes vanish

your blasting is taken care of by my powerhouses. Get it through your head. Cystal can control the energy as well. None of your attacks are getting though.

The guy is in a world of trouble in this match..... everywhere he turns there's a new factor waiting to kill him ....especially as he has zero experience using a flight ring.... or of flight of any kind (as stolen power memories were all stripped before the tourney started)

hes used a flight ring before, when he was unable to use his powers. He also has training with Powerhouses flight, so it wont be too hard to adapt. My powerhouses flinging Wendigos, gravity fields in place, and power bombs in your face. My crystals are combining their efforts. Whats 15,000 gallons times 4?? hmmm 60,000 gallons of water could be headed your way, mixed with hurrican force winds *4.....I can make Thunderstrike have vertigo, fling my wendigos at him and the useless hermod, I can most deffinetly make Ironmans oxygen ignite. Its really quite simple. I win.

Originally posted by Scoobless
The fact that one single character is running from the battle with a bodyguard is a perfect reason for taking him down..... if the other team is going to so much trouble to protect him he makes himself a primary target

whos running? he will be there just in the back. No way in hell will you get to him with my powerhouses there and my crystals taking care of you. Sorry

One single repulsor blast is all it takes...

That's not the point i'm making

I know they carry experience from round to round... but it's still only a couple of hours experience total

yada yada yada something about a scan......

It'd be like teaching a 10 year old how to Fly a jet fighter...they'll learn to switch the engine on... and maybe even learn where the weapon controls are.... but put them up in the air after a couple of hours and they'll crash and burn

Id like to think its more like in the military where they teach you all that you need to know quickly. They have battle experience AND practice with people who have known how to use there powers.

I said that scan was pis in the sense that she could have just taken the flame from him. An entire lifetime? look what she could do in the beginning as well:

mixing water vapor and lava:
http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys27sr.jpg

moving her own molecules:
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg

controlling earth:
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys46tn.jpg

they are gonna be effective enough to kick your ass all over the place. Done deal.