Originally posted by Blair Wind
An entire lifetime? look what she could do in the beginning as well:
Begining? you're talking out of your arse there.... Inhumans get there powers at a very young age... she must have been at least twenty or older in those scans... that's at least ten years of experience
Your dupes will be running around like blind and deaf people with machine guns
Originally posted by Scoobless
Begining? you're talking out of your arse there.... Inhumans get there powers at a very young age... she must have been at least twenty or older in those scans... that's at least ten years of experienceYour dupes will be running around like blind and deaf people with machine guns
I know, but the beginning of her shown. Doesnt matter. With her as a tutor, and with battle experience already given, they have bested everyone else in the tourny (animal man, radioactive man, speedfreak, another ironman, Light, jakita, grail, frostbite, Monolith, KK, vertigo, that one chick). Given those facts, and with practice your arguement is nulled. They already have the experience, so try another angle......
Originally posted by Blair Wind
reaching.....anyone?? please, hes water. Give me one bio or scan that proves hes not.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hydro-Man
He's not water... you've just proved your lack of knowledge on the characters you're using for reference
Originally posted by Blair Wind
look above....replace water with sand.
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Sandman_(William_Baker)
Two for two
Originally posted by Blair Wind
are you going against his own bio that YOU provided and the scans you have shown? wasnt there one where he turned to diamond?
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/charcoal.htm
"Seemingly" composed of Charcoal
It's not the same thing...... you're wrong three for three now
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
doesnt matter the comparision is the same. Magneto controls METAL. Crystal controls EARTH. Both are respectivally plaything in their hands
Yup... it doesn't matter... because Charcoal isn't "earth"
Originally posted by Blair Wind
blah blah blah... -i hope he doesn't point out my lack of any tiny piece of evidence to back up my claims-
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You've still shown nothing to prove Crystal has precision control under fire
If you're struggling so hard to find anything to back up Crystal then your Crystal dupes wont have a hope in hell of maintaining any offence or defence in a stressful situation
Originally posted by Blair Wind
same reason Monel or Ultra Boy had theres. Just in case. He has flown with it before.
No... the fliers in the group wear the flight rings for communication and tracking only
He has no experience whatsoever in using a flight ring
Originally posted by Blair Wind
hes not flying at you. Hes dodging (and he doesnt have to do much as powerhouse is absorbing and returning fire.)
You mean one of your two hour old duplicate PH's? there's no way in hell he'll be good enough to follow DB, dodge fire, absorb energy or fire back ..... you have two really clumsy inexperienced fliers up there.... it's like the blind leading the blind
Did you ever read "Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn"? one of the first things Hal did when he found out he could fly was accidentally slam himself into the ground.... and he was a test pilot!
DBP has zero experience in using a flight ring.... he's a dead man
Originally posted by Blair Wind
one Crystal is a tough job for Ironman. 4 of them? pffffft
Three of which have virtually no control over their powers.... the main Crystal will have to spend all her time making sure the dupes don't kill themselves or the rest of your team
Originally posted by Blair Wind
hours of practice, plus battle expercience?
Two - three hours of practice with powers it took years to learn to control!
Just like blind ADD sufferers with machine-guns..... power with no control
Originally posted by Blair Wind
only Marvel Mutants psionics are effected.
The psionic energy fields are affected... mutant or otherwise
Originally posted by Blair Wind
are you totally ignoring the repeated statements that they are being FLUNG at you?
Yes... because they aren't a problem.... every single member of my team can out maneuver them with no trouble at all
Originally posted by Blair Wind
your blasting is taken care of by my powerhouses. Get it through your head. Cystal can control the energy as well. None of your attacks are getting though.
Get it through your head.... none of your dupes has the skill level required to perform any of those feats under pressure
Originally posted by Blair Wind
hes used a flight ring before, when he was unable to use his powers. He also has training with Powerhouses flight
Every moment you spent training DBP was time taken away from training your dupes...... they must have had only an hour or so to practice using there new powers at all...... and i seem to remember that they spent quite a bit of time duplicating the Living Monolith
An hours practice max?..... no way in hell could they hope to have a decent enough level of control to be of any use in a battle
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I know, but the beginning of her shown. Doesnt matter. With her as a tutor, and with battle experience already given, they have bested everyone else in the tourny (animal man, radioactive man, speedfreak, another ironman, Light, jakita, grail, frostbite, Monolith, KK, vertigo, that one chick). Given those facts, and with practice your arguement is nulled. They already have the experience, so try another angle......
However people voted, it doesn't change the fact that your duplicates only have around an hours experience using the powers you have them using here
Originally posted by Scoobless
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hydro-ManHe's not water... you've just proved your lack of knowledge on the characters you're using for reference
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Sandman_(William_Baker)
Two for two
thats rich. Two websites that you can edit if you want to. Is that why you were gone so long? 🙄
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/charcoal.htm
"Seemingly" composed of Charcoal
It's not the same thing...... you're wrong three for three now
seemingly charcoal. what about the rest of the quote:
He has the ability to manipulate heat and reshape himself into any carbon form, including flaming incendiary or rock-hard diamond
right.....and most of the time hes is carbon formed. Thank you very much.
Yup... it doesn't matter... because Charcoal isn't "earth"
keep thinking that....while hes made into a puddle.
You've still shown nothing to prove Crystal has precision control under fire
how many times do I have to show you this picture?
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crys38hm.jpg
manipulating her molecules so she wouldnt get electrified. next.
No... the fliers in the group wear the flight rings for communication and tracking only.
and if they need it for flight. If he was using someone elses power for say energy powers, he would use the ring. Next.
fliers up there.... it's like the blind leading the blind[/B]
You mean one of your two hour old duplicate PH's? there's no way in hell he'll be good enough to follow DB, dodge fire, absorb energy or fire back ..... you have two really clumsy [b]inexperienced
they have all the battle experience of the DB Prime. and Prime gets all the experience of his dupes when they come back into him. next.
Three of which have virtually no control over their powers.... the main Crystal will have to spend all her time making sure the dupes don't kill themselves or the rest of your team
try again. Crystal teaching them, battle experience, it really just means that they have control. next.
The psionic energy fields are affected... mutant or otherwise
prove it. With an Inuhuman please seeing as they are much different from mutants and other psionics. next.
Yes... because they aren't a problem.... every single member of my team can out maneuver them with no trouble at all
not with gravity fields in place they wont be able to. next
Every moment you spent training DBP was time taken away from training your dupes...... they must have had only an hour or so to practice using there new powers at all...... and i seem to remember that they spent quite a bit of time duplicating the Living Monolith
Hes like multiple man with that power. He gets all the experience they use and they all have his experience. period. next.
An hours practice max?..... no way in hell could they hope to have a decent enough level of control to be of any use in a battle
various practices AND battle experience. Your arguement is nulled.
My team massacares you (seeing as by themselves Powerhouse and Crystal form formidable opponents) add in dupes of them? pfffffft your toast and you know it. checkmate.
Previous experience of duplicated powers for Duplicate Boy (pre-tourney) was banned in the drafts and you know it
Therefore all the battle experience he had while using those powers in DC continuity is not available to you
Your Dupes are worthless inexperienced children with their new powers
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The website thing.... you asked for proof... i went and found it.... don't start getting bitchy because they prove you wrong
That pic is another example of self preservation.... nothing to do with precision offensive use of her powers over long distance
In fact pretty much all the scans you've shown of Crystal have been her affecting things within 20 metres or less (much less in most cases) and none of them proved she could attack a tiny target from hundreds of metres away
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Trying to shorten the posts now for the benefit of the readers
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Originally posted by Scoobless
Previous experience of duplicated powers for Duplicate Boy (pre-tourney) was banned in the drafts and you know itTherefore all the battle experience he had while using those powers in DC continuity is not available to you
Im talking about his powers now. He took Multiple Mans powers remember? that means that any experience he has, they have and vice versa.
Your Dupes are worthless inexperienced children with their new powers
fine you want to play that way? here goes:
During my prep time, I do what I usually do. I practice with my characters powers. However seeing as Duplicate Boy has already used thier powers before he trys another strategy. He duplicates 100,000 + times (the loop of course taking effect. There would be 100+ Multiple man type powers...and my restrictions were said for battle so to bad so sad) with 900,000 or more dupes all practicing on using their abilities (that they already have a more than basic understanding of) and all with a decent amount of previous practice should be able to make a really great deal of progress. DB would then get all of their experience at the end of prep and make 5 new dupes who also have that collective experience.
basically I just practiced 900,000+ times and one character got all the knowledge. He then gives his experience to his dupes.
The website thing.... you asked for proof... i went and found it.... don't start getting bitchy because they prove you wrong
websites that I cant change seem to prove you wrong
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/hydroman.html
as does wikipedia: (ya ya I know...but I didnt touch it....)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Man
That pic is another example of self preservation.... nothing to do with precision offensive use of her powers over long distance.
are you serouis? she was using it offensively as well as defensively. My long range scan shows that she can control the elements from a distance of 30 miles and it takes precision to do what she did. Next.
In fact pretty much all the scans you've shown of Crystal have been her affecting things within 20 metres or less (much less in most cases) and none of them proved she could attack a tiny target from hundreds of metres away.
but it did show she can manipulate a TINY target from 30 miles away.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hydroman.htm
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hydro-Man
where can you change either of those?
and what about the Handbook:
You're wrong... face it!
And the multiples were restricted to five for the remainder of the tourney process... prep included... not that it's possible to go back and redo your prep in the middle of a battle you're losing due to inexperience anyway
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Hang on.... Madrox's power is to be Wendigo and multiply how can you take one aspect of his power an not another?
And the dupes aren't using Madrox's abilities ... so how can they use his memory absorbing powers?
Using only one power at a time means they can't (and that it's still technically illegal to multiply then use other powers in the first place as he was limited to one power at a time, Duplicating then adding Crystal's powers is clearly two power sets)
thats great. Why are we argueing a non battle revelant topic? Iceman is more closely related to Charcoals type of powers. And quess what? Iceman is....ICE...and Charcoal is carbon. Too much proof for him NOT to be. (ie diamonds, two of your bios, ability to transform into different types of carbon)
no one once mentioned prep. Stop reaching at straws.
People have more than once changed thier prep in mid battle. I just did it, for ONE point. You were already losing, now its just a bigger advantage for me.
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just to let you know the first link can be changed. Just press the edit button. Its sorta like wikipedia just for marvel only
Originally posted by Blair Wind
thats great. Why are we argueing a non battle revelant topic?
You brought it up.... then demanded proof about Sandman and Hydro-Man.... while giving no proof about Iceman yourself
Do you have any scans of Crystal messing up Iceman's body?
P.S.... DBP is still an easy target and still extremely likely to kill himself taking half your team with him
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Oh... and the Dupes, if not using Madrox's powers (which seems impossible when you think about it) wont return the memories to DB as that's an aspect of Madrox's powerset
Originally posted by Scoobless
You brought it up.... then demanded proof about Sandman and Hydro-Man.... while giving no proof about Iceman yourselfDo you have any scans of Crystal messing up Iceman's body?
P.S.... DBP is still an easy target and still extremely likely to kill himself taking half your team with him
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Oh... and the Dupes, if not using Madrox's powers (which seems impossible when you think about it) wont return the memories to DB as that's an aspect of Madrox's powerset
funny. They are still connected to him mentally (just like all multiple mans creations are connected to him). They just dropped that powerset to duplicate since its still duplicate boy whos being copied. Once all is said and done they are absorbed back into him. That would mean that there experience also goes to him
proof of Iceman:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman
and then of course is the iceman respect thread. He wouldnt be able to turn to water vapor or water if he wasnt it. OR reform using someone ELSES mouisture
Originally posted by Blair Wind
They are still connected to him mentally (just like all multiple mans creations are connected to him)
The mental link is obviously a part of MM's powers... they can't use that and copied powers at the saem time or they're clearly breaking the rules
In fact the minute they drop his powerset and the mental link vanishes they should cease to exist as they aren't seperate beings
Originally posted by Blair Wind
proof of Iceman:
😑 ... You just used the site that you complained about me using
Originally posted by leonidas
when does this fight end? any thoughts yet, judges/voters? i like to know how others are seeing things in case i've been missing something.for me right now it seems a numbers thing (similar to bw's other fight) -- 3 crystals can do a LOT. i really hate the dupes (sorry bw) -- it seems to give too much of an advantage in any fight, but numbers mean a lot when contestants are fairly evenly matched . . .
I'm hoping we can end the fight by fairly late tomorrow, provided that the judges vote. Digi said he would, leo's here and posting... I'll PM TheKhan and GS. If anyone has 3 judge votes (popular included) by late tomorrow, it will be closed, but anything short of that will lead to the match remaining open.
Having Duplicate Boy make copies of himself and use other powers at the same time isn't necessarily breaking any rules, (as Prime himself is using only 1) as long as each individual one is within the rest of said rules. However, whether he can do so is up for debate, I'm not going to officially say whether he can or not.
Also, making a billion copies during prep definitely isn't possible, as Wendigo's power in general was neutered, not simply what he can do on the battlefield. I'm skeptical as to whether or not that would work anyway, as they wouldn't get better just because there's more of them... If you tell 1 monkey to read a book and quiz him, then give a billion monkeys the same book and quiz each of them, the scores would probably be about the same, because they all have to overcome the basic obstacle of not being able to understand written English.
Originally posted by Scoobless
The mental link is obviously a part of MM's powers... they can't use that and copied powers at the saem time or they're clearly breaking the rulesIn fact the minute they drop his powerset and the mental link vanishes they should cease to exist as they aren't seperate beings
so long as the original is connected to him, they are just like an extension of himself.
This diagram sort of explains it
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=final2tb.jpg
You take my first one, and since Duplicate Boy is able to pick and choose what powers he has he can just do that (seeing as he is a perfect duplicate of the first.) So while he choose another characters powers, the Prime cannot, as he is establising a connection with his extension.
😑 ... You just used the site that you complained about me using
your point? I didnt touch the website. And plus you have to have marvel approve what you wrote before it becomes seen.
I don't think you has shown a scan of Iron Man blocking a non-telepathy psi attack from Crystal or otherwise. Can you prove that he has made his armor resistant to non-telepathy psi attack? Especially Crystal if possible?
Originally posted by Dizzle
Also, making a billion copies during prep definitely isn't possible, as Wendigo's power in general was neutered, not simply what he can do on the battlefield. I'm skeptical as to whether or not that would work anyway, as they wouldn't get better just because there's more of them... If you tell 1 monkey to read a book and quiz him, then give a billion monkeys the same book and quiz each of them, the scores would probably be about the same, because they all have to overcome the basic obstacle of not being able to understand written English.
Rereading this, I realize that it sounds very anti-BW, though I definitely didn't mean it that way. His whole strategy is perfectly fine, except for one comment he made about creating extra dupes during prep. Aside from that, the debate doesn't change.
Originally posted by DizzleAlso, making a billion copies during prep definitely isn't possible, as Wendigo's power in general was neutered, not simply what he can do on the battlefield.
however it would be the same five man team. There is just a loop effect where one of my characters takes on the MM power as well. As soon as battle starts its back to the basic five.
Basically since they already have knowledge on the powers, and having the masters in it teaching them, the experience factor is a non-issue
Originally posted by Blair Wind
however it would be the same five man team. There is just a loop effect where one of my characters takes on the MM power as well. As soon as battle starts its back to the basic five.Basically since they already have knowledge on the powers, and having the masters in it teaching them, the experience factor is a non-issue
MM's limitation extends to his dupes as well, meaning that the loop effect would also not be happening. The same applies for DB. Please drop it.
