Originally posted by IKC
Nice job with the meaningless, unquantifiable feat wars once again. Dance on my strings some more, will you?
Nice job using double-standarts again. If Exar Kun "controlls" a million senators he must be godlike. If Raynar controlls billions of Killiks and dozens of joined people including force user like Leia, Jaina, Ben Skywalker and Lowbacca it's an "meaningless, unquantifiable feat".
Great show, IKC.
If Raynar controlls billions of Killiks and dozens of joined people including force user like Leia, Jaina, Ben Skywalker and Lowbacca it's an "meaningless, unquantifiable feat".
Except he doesn't control them nor is he shown to control them all at once. He's called the Joiner King, is he not?
Quantify and show us that their combined strength stacks linearly, exponentially, logarithmically, or any other such mathematical premise.
Originally posted by IKC
Except he doesn't control them nor is he shown to control them all at once. He's called the Joiner King, is he not?
He does basically control them - not all of them at once. He's still using his force powers to manipulate / control trained Jedi with ease.
Quantify and show us that their combined strength stacks linearly, exponentially, logarithmically, or any other such mathematical premise.
Again. How often do I have to tell the same stuff about the same point again. It doesn't matter if Raynar's power can be measured in any mathematical unit or can expressed in mathematical terms.
DE Sidious used just a part of the potential of one single planet and that boosted his powers up enough to turn him from a guy who's greatest force power was force lightning able to throw people around, into a person who can conjure up force storms able to destroy entire fleets.
Now...Raynar had access to multiple times the power DE Sidious used so it's save to say that his boost of power was at least on par with that of DE Sidious although logic dictates that even if the amount of power can be quantified exactly he most likely received a greater boost than Sidious since Sidious used a weaker source for his additional power.
And just to give you something else. Sekot (the living force energy of Zonama Sekot - meaning the combined power of all beings on that planet) did manage to knock off an entire NJO team (including Luke, Jacen, Mara Jade and several other Jedi) with a single force attack and it defeated the entire YV invasion force after fending them off for two years. As it seems the "combined potential of all living things on a planet" isn't exactly "weak" even if the exact amount of power can't be quantified.
Nai makes a good point.. Fox5 you can't just make ridiculous statements without backing them up. And no Luke isn't the most powerful in the galaxy. So far, that title goes to Marka Ragnos.
Now Nai you can sit here and say I leach off of other arguments but it's not like I can find something that hasn't already been mentioned, that's crucual to the argument. I still maintain my previous argument that we can't prove Kun is able to use his amulet on a competent force user. If someone says "But Kun's blasts destroys everything in its path like buildings, etc..." I'll say so does an AT-AT blast which was stopped by Luke. We also have no idea if Luke can use his instakill on a competent force user like Kun.. Now in a saber fight between the two, people agree and disgaree on the different hyperboles involving their saber skill. If we say that Luke fighting at the speed of 20 sabers is an inadmissable hyperbole, so is the one about Kun being the most formidable student Vodo has ever had..
Originally posted by tdtd
Now in a saber fight between the two, people agree and disgaree on the different hyperboles involving their saber skill. If we say that Luke fighting at the speed of 20 sabers is an inadmissable hyperbole, so is the one about Kun being the most formidable student Vodo has ever had..
I think Vodo should know who was his best student so far and it was him who told Kun that. I don't see the hyperbole here. On the other handside we've never seen somebody wielding 20 lightsabers at once so I wonder how Jaina would know how that looks like.
Originally posted by Fox5
Exar and Ulic get WTFpwned by DN Luke,so far HE is the most powerful force user in the galaxy.That includes him being more powerful than Kun and Ulic.
No Kun wouldn't get wtfpwned, he will lose but he wont get pwned.
Here is a list of People who could take down or tie Luke :
1) Marka Ragnos (easily wins )
2) Lord Simus (unknown win)
3) Ajunta / Tulak ( mabye )
4) Naga Sadow ( Moderately diffcult win )
5) Ludo Kressh ( Diffcult win )
6) Exar Kun ( A tie to a close lose )
7) Freedon Nadd ( Unknown win )
He does basically control them - not all of them at once. He's still using his force powers to manipulate / control trained Jedi with ease.
Stop calling them "trained Jedi." It's more accurate to call them NJO Jedi, and I question the pedastal they've been placed on.
Again. How often do I have to tell the same stuff about the same point again. It doesn't matter if Raynar's power can be measured in any mathematical unit or can expressed in mathematical terms.
Actually, trying to express it in mathematical terms seems to consistently be your only option given you tout the "zomg 375 planets!?!!!!!" figure ad nauseum.
DE Sidious used just a part of the potential of one single planet and that boosted his powers up enough to turn him from a guy who's greatest force power was force lightning able to throw people around, into a person who can conjure up force storms able to destroy entire fleets.
His greatest Force power was Force Lightning?
This isn't Star Wars According to Nai. Pre-DE Sidious was able to do plenty of other things besides lightning (like, say, transferring spirits from one body to another).
Quantify for us exactly how much he improved, then. You have him pre-DE where he's essentially a match for Yoda. Then you have him during DE when two relatively-untrained Force users' and a fetus' combined potential was enough to send his Force storm on him.
Hm. Doesn't seem like that planet was as impressive as you make it out to be if all it took was the combined potential (not ability. It took all of their potential) of 2.5 people to overpower him.
Now...Raynar had access to multiple times the power DE Sidious used so it's save to say that his boost of power was at least on par with that of DE Sidious although logic dictates that even if the amount of power can be quantified exactly he most likely received a greater boost than Sidious since Sidious used a weaker source for his additional power.
No, logic dictates nothing of the sort. If anything, points can be made for Sidious being far more powerful than Raynar given that Raynar was beaten by but one Skywalker, whereas Sidious had to be overpowered by almost three. That and there's the inconvenient fact that Sidious' knowledge of the Dark Side far surpasses Raynar's own.
Oh, and Sidious wasn't trained by a farmboy still learning the techniques himself.
And just to give you something else. Sekot (the living force energy of Zonama Sekot - meaning the combined power of all beings on that planet) did manage to knock off an entire NJO team (including Luke, Jacen, Mara Jade and several other Jedi) with a single force attack and it defeated the entire YV invasion force after fending them off for two years. As it seems the "combined potential of all living things on a planet" isn't exactly "weak" even if the exact amount of power can't be quantified.
I like how you conveniently ignore the fact that Zonoma Sekot itself was a living planet and thus able to use the Force on it's own. Given that it's so immense, I'm not surprised that its grasp of the Force is so powerful.
So, looks like you're not showing causation here.
Kun can and will stomp DN Luke, by himself.
Alright then.Looks like a tie to me.Kun will not 'stomp' Luke,but he might defeat him,barely.Kun isn't all powerful,niether is Luke(which I retract my earlier post BTW),I'd still say it's very close tie,both are equally powerful.The only one that would get 'stomped' here is Ulic,who is basically not needed.