It's also self-defeating seeing as he is always going on about the rest of us being mindless sheep. Now, he's actually claiming to be one! I detect a conspiracy; he's telling us his thoughts are unimportant, when he actually means they are important, and he's saying they're not as a way of making us evaluate their subtleties even more. Then again, it could just be that he is a ...
ckes a moron...and you are not yeh? not havin a pop or anythin
Actually, I should probably have says "crazy" instead of "moron." He may be a very intelligent person, in terms of memory and learning capacity--but he's an intelligent person who believes that Princess Diana was murdered after discovering that Prince Charles and Duchess Camilla's had a baby who was murdered as part of a Satanic ritual. An intelligent person who is on record as saying that
"The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the U.S. and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure — the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to 'shape-shift'," and that
"[his] own resaerch [sic] suggests that it is from another dimension, the lower fourth dimension, that the reptilian control and manipulation is primarily orchestrated. Other people know this as the lower astral dimension, the legendary home of demons and malevolent antities [sic] in their black magic rituals ..."
Don't take this the wrong way Deano, but I don't understand you at all. I assume that you don't believe that type of thing--I've never seen you talk about reptile aliens, although maybe you do in the conspiracy thread--but you quote Icke like he's some sort of sainted prophet. If you must quote people to make your points, surely there are less crazy ones you could use?
Yeah, you edited just a little...
You said: "If I am a moron, then at least I'm not a schizophrenic one, which makes me better than Icke".
It's all good.
Deano is perfectly entitled to quote Icke if he's into it, but it's a bit sad that he has nothing to say for himself. When I say "sad", I mean "ironic", seeing as he says other people do all the thinking for us proles...
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
It's also self-defeating seeing as he is always going on about the rest of us being mindless sheep. Now, he's actually claiming to be one! I detect a conspiracy; he's telling us his thoughts are unimportant, when he actually means they are important, and he's saying they're not as a way of making us evaluate their subtleties even more. Then again, it could just be that he is a ...
i said my thoughts are not important.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
"I mean the comic was written over two decades ago!"Yes, and was based on nuclear hysteria. The film changed the basis.
Moore's genius is undeniable, but you only have to read his foreword to V to see how totally wrong he was about the way he thought things were going.
The film's direction is simply an exploitation of current feeling, not some fantastic social commentary. it really is just a film.
I agree Ush. It's a shame that people use his works to drive their current state of mind on our present political issues.
Quite frankly this is one Moore I really apreciate...unlike that other Moore with a camera and a baseball cap.
I like Michael Moore.... he's not afraid to speak his views on a subject he knows he will most likely be hated for... unlike some of us who will believe anything the government and media tells us to believe.
I mean isn't that the idea behind V for Vendetta? To stand up and be free to think for yourself and speak your mind without being persecuted for your beliefs?
Alas... a true utopian society that we will never have unless people learn to see outside the box...
Originally posted by Deano
i said my thoughts are not important.
But, Deano, that seems to me to be the very position you oppose.
Look, a lot of the conspiracy writings you post, I don't support. However, a lot of the 9/11 topics you've contributed to make sense. When the facts are placed in opposition with the story, they don't add up. I agree that 9/11 was just as staged as Pearle Habour. But, your own thoughts on the subject are important, as they allow insight into why your opinion should be considered at all. Don't become, as Ya' Krunk'd said and myself long before him, an instrument of the very powers you oppose. Your opinion and insight are essential to your message. And if people can't trust the perspective of the person speaking, then why trust what they have to say?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
But, Deano, that seems to me to be the very position you oppose.Look, a lot of the conspiracy writings you post, I don't support. However, a lot of the 9/11 topics you've contributed to make sense. When the facts are placed in opposition with the story, they don't add up. I agree that 9/11 was just as staged as Pearle Habour. But, your own thoughts on the subject are important, as they allow insight into why your opinion should be considered at all. Don't become, as Ya' Krunk'd said and myself long before him, an instrument of the very powers you oppose. Your opinion and insight are essential to your message. And if people can't trust the perspective of the person speaking, then why trust what they have to say?
9/11 and pearle horbour are subjective. Argue, or don't. It's all up to you.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
But, Deano, that seems to me to be the very position you oppose.Look, a lot of the conspiracy writings you post, I don't support. However, a lot of the 9/11 topics you've contributed to make sense. When the facts are placed in opposition with the story, they don't add up. I agree that 9/11 was just as staged as Pearle Habour. But, your own thoughts on the subject are important, as they allow insight into why your opinion should be considered at all. Don't become, as Ya' Krunk'd said and myself long before him, an instrument of the very powers you oppose. Your opinion and insight are essential to your message. And if people can't trust the perspective of the person speaking, then why trust what they have to say?
trust your own instincts. thats all i can say.
Originally posted by Deano
i said my thoughts are not important.
Then may I ask, who's thoughts would you deem as important?
Originally posted by Deano
trust your own instincts. thats all i can say.
No, you say much more. If one's instincts leads them to believe that Icke is a total nut, and that there is no illuminati, and that most of your conspiracies are fabrications, you call them a sheep.
Also, please put your copy and paste posts in a quotation box. To do otherwise is to intentionally misrepresent yourself to members who are not aware of your copy and paste history. Also by not posting in quotation boxes the statements of others get mangled up with your own.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Also, please put your copy and paste posts in a quotation box. To do otherwise is to intentionally misrepresent yourself to members who are not aware of your copy and paste history. Also by not posting in quotation boxes the statements of others get mangled up with your own.
He makes his own statements? I was not aware of this.
Damnit, where the hell are my memos!?
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Is there a link somewhere to a decent article about it or something?
I highly recommend 'V for Vendetta ' . Natalie Portman is wonderful as heroic engenue ' Evie ' who, initially , hides her tortured past in her work, but realizes that love and compassion and understanding are the only vehicles that could destroy a destructive and totalitarian idea such as the one that held futuristic London in its grasp with fear and death.
The character ' V ' in the movie refers to the numbered cell in a somewhat modern ' death camp' / political prison camp where so -called ' political prisoners ' would be subjected to inhumane experiments. He happened to be locked in cell numbered " V " and he did not experience the same symptoms as the other prisoners who were given the same virus from the prison officials.
Though there is terroristic actions that Evie and ' V ' use in the movie, these are not an answer to the general problem of changing oppressive governments and the idea that anyone with differing philosphies and lifestyles should be detained and treated worse than cattle. The answer to this problem must reside inside each and everyone of us that wishes to live the way we wish and to respect others for their beliefs.
I rate this movie 3 and 1/2 *'s from a possible 4*'s !!!!! It is very compelling and thought - provoking !
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