Naga Sadow vs Darth Revan, DE Sidious and NJO Luke

Originally posted by thetruepower
It's quite an assumption to call those afterimages. I mean please, they could just as likely be the same residual energy for all we know and calling them afterimages is just a guess which the poor artwork doesn't really allow. If they really were afterimages, why have they not been done in any of the other boxes. It is just a result of terrible artwork and there is little to suggest that they are afterimages when they could as easily be the same residual energy in the previous boxes. And also don't you think that they would make it pretty obvious if they really were afterimages.

And let's say that they were. Have you never come across comic book exaggeraton. Think back to the first issue of KOTOR where Ulic faces that battle droid. There are after images of him as he fights the droid. Does this imply that he is as fast as Yoda?

Is this the "ZOMG TEH COREGRAPHY IS CRAP" argument but bundled up to apply to the comics?

STFU...

Kinetic energy = mass * speed^2/ 2.

Speed is way more important, Numan, when talking about force behind a blow, you're right about one thing. But in order for their swords to go through walls, they would need to be going fast (I'm not counting if they have energy that lets them easily cut through objects, like lightsabers have.) Also, Numan, they wouldn't put blur marks in comics if they didn't want you to assume that they are going fast. Or are they moving their swords slow motion like, because they are Ancient Sith Lords above the power of momentum and kinetic energy, and the landscape and buildings are just moving really fast in the background with the Ancient Sith Lords command of the force!? Yeah!!!

Originally posted by Traya
Is this the "ZOMG TEH COREGRAPHY IS CRAP" argument but bundled up to apply to the comics?

STFU...

He does make a point about comics sometimes misrepresting things.

I'm not agreeing with Numan, but they probably aren't moving AS fast as lightsabers. Sith swords are heavy-duty weapons That weigh more than a fully grown adult man. their massive strength might make them move extremely fast, but take this into account: A Lightsaber is a small, lightweight hilt, with a weightless beam extending over three feet. It's a tough one for me.

And at the same time we see the sith swinging the swords at tremendous speed.

Originally posted by tdtd
And at the same time we see the sith swinging the swords at tremendous speed.

And that's exactly why I'm not agreeing with him.

Right but what proof do you have that the people that use lightsabers are quicker than the sith who use the sword?

Besides Gravity and the basic laws of physics, nothing.

PSYCH! Just Kiddin'!

I don't have any proof.

Originally posted by Xepeyon
I'm not agreeing with Numan, but they probably aren't moving AS fast as lightsabers. Sith swords are heavy-duty weapons That weigh more than a fully grown adult man. their massive strength might make them move extremely fast, but take this into account: A Lightsaber is a small, lightweight hilt, with a weightless beam extending over three feet. It's a tough one for me.

Wow, someone's not realizing the point here:

Firstly, where's the proof that sith swords weigh as much as a fully grown man? If this IS the case, and they CAN swing them fast enough to chunk stone walls, or thrust them with ease into tables, this bodes HORRIBLE for the lightsaber using enemy. Lightsaber's ability to cut and chop through things comes from its energy source, not the strength behind it. Imagine, if you will, holding a flashlight with a weightless blade on it. Now, deflect just one blow from someone who swings a broadsword as easily as it were a toothpick.

Anything left of you? Nope. Either your lightsaber gets knocked clear, your arm crushed under the weight of the blow, or worse- get the blade knocked into your body and zap... dead.

Second, I heard a nasty rumor somewhere that lightsabers use some sort of gyroscope system to give it balance like a normal blade, though not the weight. The fights in the movies certainly would suggest this is the case. But again, no weight. And at what point did the characters in the movies manipulate a lightsaber SO fast it couldn't be parried by a skilled swordsman? Never.

I agree with your first point. I suspected It would weigh that, because common Medieval swords weighed about 3/4 of a normal man. THOSE swords are like bigger threefold!

GL said on the bonus disk of the OT, under special features, (then select "creating the Lightsaber" or something like that) that the lazersword gives out a weightless beam. I don't really get your last question.

BTW, good illustration.

Originally posted by thetruepower
It's quite an assumption to call those afterimages. I mean please, they could just as likely be the same residual energy for all we know and calling them afterimages is just a guess which the poor artwork doesn't really allow. If they really were afterimages, why have they not been done in any of the other boxes. It is just a result of terrible artwork and there is little to suggest that they are afterimages when they could as easily be the same residual energy in the previous boxes. And also don't you think that they would make it pretty obvious if they really were afterimages.

And let's say that they were. Have you never come across comic book exaggeraton. Think back to the first issue of KOTOR where Ulic faces that battle droid. There are after images of him as he fights the droid. Does this imply that he is as fast as Yoda?

Because blur marks were used to represent speed in the other images.

Now your grasping at straws because your argument is shot to hell. Guess what, residual energy + blur marks + afterimages = the author telling you the blades are moving very fast. kthx.

Use your head, please.

Originally posted by thetruepower
It's quite an assumption to call those afterimages. I mean please, they could just as likely be the same residual energy for all we know and calling them afterimages is just a guess which the poor artwork doesn't really allow.

It's quite an assumption to call those residual energy. I mean please, they could just as likely be the same afterimages for all we know and calling them residual energy is just a guess which the genious artwork doesn't really allow.

If they really were afterimages, why have they not been done in any of the other boxes. It is just a result of terrible artwork and there is little to suggest that they are afterimages when they could as easily be the same residual energy in the previous boxes. And also don't you think that they would make it pretty obvious if they really were afterimages.

If they really were residual energy, why have they not been done in any of the other boxes like the blurs from their blades which indicated speed ? It is just a result of your terrible comprehension combined with your rediculous low IQ (somewhere between toast and 2 metres of a cartway - earthworms excluded) that gives you the ability to call it "residual energy" when they are the same BLURS DUE TO SPEED in the previous boxes. And also don't you think that they aren't making anything obvious because of what you suggest to be "bad artwork" (and you must know a lot about "bad artwork" - you're creating a lot of that here every time you hit the "reply" button).

And let's say that they were. Have you never come across comic book exaggeraton. Think back to the first issue of KOTOR where Ulic faces that battle droid. There are after images of him as he fights the droid. Does this imply that he is as fast as Yoda?

And let's say that they were. Did you never came across the idea that in a SCIENCE FICTION "exeggaration" is basically applied in every single situation ? "OH MY GOD - THEY DID STRIKE THROUGH MASSIVE STONE WALLS !1111 EGGSCHEGARATIOOON !111"
Unless you have another source to proof that the events displayed in the comics are exeggerated (which you haven't) the only thing we can use are the comics. And actual source > your personal opinion.

lol

Pwnt.

My personal opinion>actual source but thats my opinion.

When Numan arrives at a thread, everyone is unified against him 😛, not that im surprised, some guy who tries to establish their opinion as fact is a nusicance and a runt.

That's enough bro it's over, not sense in adding insult to injury.

not really an insult, be more of a established fact.

Originally posted by Deception
When Numan arrives at a thread, everyone is unified against him 😛, not that im surprised, some guy who tries to establish their opinion as fact is a nusicance and a runt.

The fact that everyone is unified against me is the reason why it could possibly seem to others that I am usually wrong. And I try to establish my opinion as fact? I have not done that once. Please provide a quote of me doing so.

Then why do you persist in believing Ragnos is so weak? If everyone has universally agreed, we have need to convince just one person. Thats how you've tried to convince us, in over our last debates about Marka Ragnos you have barely refuted any points, you have given your speculation and opinion, and you think that you are correct.

I'm sorry if you dont like to hear this, but we do not have to agree with you, you are entitled to your opinion, but please do not try to degrade the characters in other people's eyes, because quite frankly you'll be simply labelled a fanboy in terms of just trying to convince everyone that your opinion is the correct one.

We have constantly given you the option of providing us with solid evidence as well as quotes, you say to us we are trying to prove a negative, but quite simply we don't even have to prove it to you, as it is clear that your opinion is your own. But seeing as the most notable debators here have all agreed that Marka Ragnos is the "most powerful of the most powerful" it should be good enough for everyone to drop the topic of him.

Further advise concerning the Ancient Sith, before you also tried to "prove" that the heavy Sith Swords means reduced speed, however due to the immense physical prowess of the Ancient Sith it has been shown they wield their swords at the same speed as a Sith/Jedi wields a lightsaber. Also the phyiscal force applied through a heavy 100 pound sword is extremely diffcult for most Jedi/Sith to block, adding onto that the speed at which the Ancients are able to use the sword, make them a near unstoppable force.

Although what i have just said is what i believe and what people have proven otherwise, you are indeed entitled to your opinion, however you have been proven wrong in terms of physics by the more intelligent members, therefore i suggest you revise your points.

Sorry but I have proven "the more intelligent members" wrong with the use of physics. They had to bring power into it stating that speed is required to generate power, and using the simple equation I was able to prove them wrong. I was right by saying that it does help but is not required to generate power.