If contact with the dead is forbidden, why pray to Jesus?

Started by Darth Nepulis4 pages

If contact with the dead is forbidden, why pray to Jesus?

I fine examply of why I don't believe in christianity.

Try and tell me why praying to jesus is allowed.

Because Jesus isn't dead. Duh.

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What a stupid question.

I didn't know contact with the dead was forbidden. I see my grandfather all of the time....he comes to check up on me and my grandmother now and then. He's been dead 3 years. I contact dead people a lot...I've never been told it was wrong...not even by my church leaders.

Ok, you need to have a chat with your church leaders.

Because my Bible says in Deuteronomy 18:12 "0r a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a NECROMANCER"

Also see Isaiah 8:19

Necromancer is the old Testament term for communicating the dead.

The ghost your seeing is not of your grandfather. But of some kind of demonic force. 2 Corinthians 11:14 that Satan is transformed into an angel of light. What your seeing is not your grandfather but is a deceptive trick of Satan. In Exodus 7 the same wonders Aaron did the magicians of the land did also. God also says in Deuteronomy 13:1-5 to beware of false prophets and people that do signs and wonders. Not that your follow a false prophet but the fact remains that satan and his followers can do signs and wonders too. My advise to you is to test the spirit. Next time you see your "grandfather" ask him to say the words "Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and he died on the cross for our sins and he lives again". I gurantee you he will not be able to say those words.

Not all miracles and signs and wonders are of God.

God makes it very clear in Luke 16:26 that the dead in hell or in heaven cannot come out from their place. There is an impassible seperation between the after-life and this world.

The ghost your seeing is not of your grandfather. But of some kind of demonic force.
indoctrinated bullshit.....................man the more I see and hear religious people the more I like snakes

Exactly. The whole "Ghosts are demons" things is a sack of bullshit!

And don't you ever call my questions stupid, you ass.

No need to call him an ass for that.

Because Christians believe that Jesus is an Avatar of god. So, technically he is ever lasting and thus it isn't praying to the dead.

The ghost your seeing is not of your grandfather. But of some kind of demonic force.

Uh-oh, someone's been watching too much Constantine.

I fine examply of why I don't believe in christianity.

Try and tell me why praying to jesus is allowed.


First of all, according to Christians Jesus isn't dead, he died but then he rose from the dead, he came back to life. He then went directly to Heaven, he didn't die.

However, it is a fair question. Praying is a form of contact and I've met hundreds of Christians who pray to saints.

I think it's a Christian ideal to nudge out ancestor worship and rituals involving the dead that didn't fit church doctrine. It's as simple as that.

Now what I want to know is: When Christ did an exorcism and he sent the spirits of the demons into nearby hogs... WTF was he thinking?

Originally posted by Wesker
WTF was he thinking?

mmmmmmm...bacon.....

Originally posted by Punker69
Because Jesus isn't dead. Duh.

If Jesus didn't die, then he didn't die for your sins.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If Jesus didn't die, then he didn't die for your sins.

Died and rose again.

Originally posted by Echuu
Died and rose again.

I know the correct Christian answer, but I didn't know why Punker69 put it the way he did.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know the correct Christian answer, but I didn't know why Punker69 put it the way he did.

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Originally posted by Punker69
Because my Bible says in Deuteronomy 18:12 "0r a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a NECROMANCER"

The ghost your seeing is not of your grandfather. But of some kind of demonic force..

This is a common Pentecostal view of demons are everywhere unfortunately. And who's to say it wasn't really her grandfather. There are many people who say they've seen people that have passed on. They never did anyone harm or evil. You can't blame everything you don't understand on the devil, that's just medieval thinking. We know that energy cannot be destroyed, but changes form, so who's to say. If her grandfather brings her comfort, then I say it's a good thing. There are many things we don't know that is beyond our reasoning and these bodies. It's best to keep an open mind.

Originally posted by Darth Nepulis
Exactly. The whole "Ghosts are demons" things is a sack of bullshit!

And don't you ever call my questions stupid, you ass.

Your question was stupid . Anyone who knows the slightest thing about Christianity would know the correct answer.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know the correct Christian answer, but I didn't know why Punker69 put it the way he did.

He died and rose again. What do you mean? What way did I put it?

Originally posted by debbiejo
This is a common Pentecostal view of demons are everywhere unfortunately. And who's to say it wasn't really her grandfather. There are many people who say they've seen people that have passed on. They never did anyone harm or evil. You can't blame everything you don't understand on the devil, that's just medieval thinking. We know that energy cannot be destroyed, but changes form, so who's to say. If her grandfather brings her comfort, then I say it's a good thing. There are many things we don't know that is beyond our reasoning and these bodies. It's best to keep an open mind.

Its not medieval thinking. Its Biblical thinking. Ok lets look at it from the standpoint that her grandfather is in hell. Hell is a place of torture. Something that the people in hell are going to want to leave when they please. Where's the punishment in hell if you can wander around as you please. The verse in look is an excellent example of the wide gap that seperates the afterlife, paradise, and earth.

Originally posted by Punker69
...He died and rose again. What do you mean? What way did I put it?

You said he wasn't dead, that sounds more like what an Islamic person would say, not a Christian.