Human Torch and Ice Man vs. Savage Hulk

who wins ?

torch and iceman 10/10

torch goes supernova and flays hulk, while iceman freezes his skeleton.

has Torch the heat .... to do damage against hulk ?

and what can Ice Man really do against hulk... can the ice hurt him ?

Hulk has been in space without gear (well, he had respirator), that's pretty damn good resistance to cold considering that he showed no ill effects. Also, Torch can't keep nova up forever. Maybe he has enough time to destroy Hulk, maybe not.

Originally posted by Betageuze
has Torch the heat .... to do damage against hulk ?

and what can Ice Man really do against hulk... can the ice hurt him ?

Yes, he has the heat to damage Hulk.

Read my words closely...

Human Torch goes Supernova and flays Hulk, down to his bones. Before he can heal himself, Iceman flash freezes his skeleton. Hulk is dead.

Originally posted by Tshern
Hulk has been in space without gear that's pretty damn good resistance to cold

I'll pretend I didn't just see that.

He has a damn good resistance to cold. Iceman's power level has changed so much during the years and there definitely are some versions that couldn't even scratch the Hulk, don't you think?

Originally posted by Tshern
He has a damn good resistance to cold. Iceman's power level has changed so much during the years and there definitely are some versions that couldn't even scratch the Hulk, don't you think?

I've already given a scenario where they beat him though. Read above.

i think hulk would take this 5.5/10, i dont think the nova wouldent damage the hulk to much for the whole ice man freezin him while he regenerates. he takes nukes in the face without being damaged.
also ice man would want to be any where around while toruch does the super nova.
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/nukeresistance.html
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/finfangfoomresistance.html

Your scenario depends on various factors. Firstly, Human Torch would be burning Iceman too while doing his nova flame and I'm pretty sure that Hulk resists heat better than Iceman.

Secondly, Hulk has proven to have huge resistance to cold and a healing factor that's along the best in the Marvel Universe. Really, Hulk could deal with the punishment that Iceman deals. I might be wrong since I don't know Iceman's current power level. It's one of my problems, can't afford to buy every comic.

Thirdly, if Torch cannot destroy Hulk with one try he's gone. And since he has to watch out for Iceman in your scenario he will have serious troubles damaging Hulk without burning Iceman a new one.

Originally posted by Tshern
Your scenario depends on various factors. Firstly, Human Torch would be burning Iceman too while doing his nova flame and I'm pretty sure that Hulk resists heat better than Iceman.

Secondly, Hulk has proven to have huge resistance to cold and a healing factor that's along the best in the Marvel Universe. Really, Hulk could deal with the punishment that Iceman deals. I might be wrong since I don't know Iceman's current power level. It's one of my problems, can't afford to buy every comic.

Thirdly, if Torch cannot destroy Hulk with one try he's gone. And since he has to watch out for Iceman in your scenario he will have serious troubles damaging Hulk without burning Iceman a new one.

^cosigned

Can Hulk be turned back to Banner?

^cosigned

Originally posted by spideycarnage
i think hulk would take this 5.5/10, i dont think the nova wouldent damage the hulk to much for the whole ice man freezin him while he regenerates. he takes nukes in the face without being damaged.
also ice man would want to be any where around while toruch does the super nova.
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/nukeresistance.html
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/finfangfoomresistance.html

Johnny goes hotter than a Nuclear Explosion. And its not a matter of whether he survives it, but he will be flayed to his skeleton. And iceman can exist as water molecules.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
Johnny goes hotter than a Nuclear Explosion. And its not a matter of whether he survives it, but he will be flayed to his skeleton. And iceman can exist as water molecules.

can iceman reform himself before hulk regenerates?

And iceman can exist as water molecules.

Originally posted by spideycarnage
can iceman reform himself before hulk regenerates?

Hulk regenerates pretty damn fast, so I dont know. But really Hulk should really be turned into the dust in the event of a supernova.

I dont see how bones are meant to survive 1000000 centigrade heat.

Originally posted by spideycarnage
can iceman reform himself before hulk regenerates?

✅ Hulks body has to go through the process of growth such as muscles, viens, tissue etc. Iceman takes the moisture from the air and forms. He cuts out all the other stuff cause hes just ice.

Back when X-Factor fought Hulk, Iceman froze him so cold that he wasnt able to get angry enough to break out. Although it was grey Hulk, it was still ice-coated Iceman, and the same "get madder, get stronger" rule applied.

Iceman could just freeze the bloodflow to the brain and revert him back to Banner.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Back when X-Factor fought Hulk, Iceman froze him so cold that he wasnt able to get angry enough to break out. Although it was grey Hulk, it was still ice-coated Iceman, and the same "get madder, get stronger" rule applied.

Iceman could just freeze the bloodflow to the brain and revert him back to Banner.

that would work also. then they kill banner for fun.