Human Torch and Ice Man vs. Savage Hulk

Within seconds, the Hulk recovers from a near-skeletal state.
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if his skelton remains, he has a chance agianst the super nova

If he has moisture in his body, then Ice Man would be able to freeze him to the point where he can't move, basically putting him in suspended animation.

Remember that Hulk doesn't have to kill Iceman, punching him to smithereens is enough. Current Iceman seems very powerful, though. I'm ready to give the team a majority.

Originally posted by Tshern
Remember that Hulk doesn't have to kill Iceman, punching him to smithereens is enough.

❌ Thats false. Iceman has been broken into pieces and has reformed in seconds.

But there's no stipulation stating that he should be completely killed. Just throwing options here, incapacitating both is enough. Whether it is possible or not is a different issue.

Originally posted by Tshern
But there's no stipulation stating that he should be completely killed. Just throwing options here, incapacitating both is enough. Whether it is possible or not is a different issue.

it isn't. he has existed as conciousness in a pond before.

But if he doesn't have a body and cannot fight he's out of the game. So, if he's beaten up real bad and he can't recover soon he's out of the game. It's like a knock out, even if he's still alive he isn't in the match.

Edit: An example of same kind of a situation is reverting Hulk back to Banner. Hulk loses the match if that happens. Right? Not trying to be offensive though, you've made it clear that the team has a very good chance at taking the majority.

Originally posted by Tshern
But if he doesn't have a body and cannot fight he's out of the game. So, if he's beaten up real bad and he can't recover soon he's out of the game. It's like a knock out, even if he's still alive he isn't in the match.

Not so. Hed still have a consiousness and would still be able to operate to effectiveness. There was a time when he didnt have a body and still gathered all the moisture from the opponents body to reform himself thus dehydrating the enemy and killing them.

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Not so. Hed still have a consiousness and would still be able to operate to effectiveness. There was a time when he didnt have a body and still gathered all the moisture from the opponents body to reform himself thus dehydrating the enemy and killing them.

Originally posted by Tshern
Can he drain it out of the Hulk? This guy's for example walked on antimatter. Does he have any range limit in his moisture sucking? Well anyhow, it would be a nice match where Torch and Iceman would take a majority.

I personally think Torch and Bobby take all. But in answer to your question, yes. Iceman would be able to drain the moisture out of the Hulk. Nothing is stopping him from doing so. Banner does have blood and water inside his body when in Hulk form, so i dont think thats a problem. Hmmm, range limit? Im sure he does, but it hasnt been established i reckon. I wont go and say he can do it from 100 yards, but ill say its possible from 15-20 feet.

I wont go and say he can do it from 100 yards, but ill say its possible from 15-20 feet.

Iceman would be able to drain the moisture out of the Hulk. Nothing is stopping him from doing so. Banner does have blood and water inside his body when in Hulk form

I personally think Torch and Bobby take all.

Originally posted by Tshern
It's hard to say anything for sure as Marvel is so inconsistent.

😆 True.

Originally posted by Tshern
Hulk also is matter. So everything would depend on the writer since real world physics has never been a problem to Marvel.

Everyone is matter technically. Either way, Hulk still contains water inside his body.

Originally posted by Tshern
I'm pretty sure we're never going to agree on this because I believe that Hulk has a chance to pick a few victories. It's probably not worth it to continue the debate. But thanks for all the new information you gave me, it's nice to learn new things.

np. 😄

Everyone is matter technically. Either way, Hulk still contains water inside his body.

Who knows. Id still put my money on Iceman.

He's the coolest of these three, that's for sure. Right there before Hulk.

I'd go with the team. Their first and most obvious avenue of attack would be a Nova flame from Johnny. Now the effectiveness of this would be in question as the Hulk has withstood point blank nuclear detonations before. If Johnny had a little more stamina I might be inclined to say he could kill the Hulk, but as it stands I see him only as a secondary player (which is fine as he can fly and act to at least distract the Hulk).

The real reason I see the team winning is Iceman. As any damage to his body can be repaired with moisture from the air and the fact that he can exist without a physical body the Hulk really has no way to actually defeat him. While Iceman does have a large range of attacks that might be able to beat the Hulk. Freezing of the blood and/or other internal organs or drawing moisture out of Hulk's body might work.

However I think the distinction needs to be made between what Iceman can potentially do and the level of "cold" the Hulk has experience before. At his most powerful Iceman could stop the motion of the molecules in the Hulk's body, an attack which the Hulk really has no defense of. Why is this important as Iceman isn't at that level yet? Well as I said the Hulk really can't kill Iceman so I see this fight taking a long time. If Iceman ever wants for it to be over he'd better start practicing his abilities until they get to a high enough level to put the Hulk down. So I see the team winning in a year or two long fight.

The Hulk could thunderclap and cool off the torch. If Ice man is anywhere un the vicinity he is likely to be knocked unconscious as well.

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/torchthunderclap.html

Well as I said the Hulk really can't kill Iceman

Yes with one well timed thunderclap both HT and IM are out whereas HT and IM would need to work together to take Hulk out. I see an easier win for Hulk.