Re: Re: Re: Re: Why can't Hulk beat Superman ?
Originally posted by samishe
Listen spetznaz, i know he could lift FAR above 100 tonnes. I doubted that he could lift 12000000000 tonnes only because i read somewhere(not sure where) exact number of tonnes he could lift and it was under 12000000000.
Then it isn't official.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why can't Hulk beat Superman ?
Originally posted by samisheSupes doesn't have a strength limit either, in fact, he can amp ALL of his powers...as he stresses he draws in more and more solar energy and amps with it. And he's severely dimishing the life of our star by doing it.
Listen spetznaz, i know he could lift FAR above 100 tonnes. I doubted that he could lift 12000000000 tonnes only because i read somewhere(not sure where) exact number of tonnes he could lift and it was under 12000000000.
Why you people always turn everything personal?!
Again i have no doubt supes wins in this fight.
All i said was that Hulk doesn't have strength limit, Supes has. And anyone who'll argue with that is simply overrating him a little or just a fanboy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why can't Hulk beat Superman ?
Originally posted by Juntai
Supes doesn't have a strength limit either, in fact, he can amp ALL of his powers...as he stresses he draws in more and more solar energy and amps with it. And he's severely dimishing the life of our star by doing it.
That dick! 😠
strength with these two is limitless, they will always raise to the physical challenge no matter what so that goes out the window.
Judging by overall skills, speed, feats, and so on... supes wins pretty much all the time, dont forget he could do a cannon ball like charge at near light speed which would make hulk atleast be bruised, winded and flew through a couple of mountains.
Originally posted by Dynamic One
If Superman was well written then he'd be great. This is true because i'll take the opposite stance he's this all powerful being and he's just trying to fit in with regualr everyday people. Thats the interesting things with Clark. then you have this all powerful being who struggles with his god complex. And argues with himself daily, "why shouldn't i just take over the world?" There are some people in the DC verse that I liek Bats (though he's gettint o that Superman level), the question, and green arrow. these are superheros that can be related too. I'm not saying make superman liek these charcters, but give this dude some more depth. Put him in a fight where his super powers are a disadvantage, or make him refelct on who he is. Put him in a situation where he is at odds with a majority of the hero's. Supes has a lot of potential, wow i type a lot. but DC doesn't explore it.
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
Hell no...Hulk would kill him.
So you say .....let's have a look at your logic for that:
Lazer vision...doesnt do anything
His vision can burn hotter than the sun, meaning that it will slough all the flesh off of the Hulk, incinerate all the bones, and evaporate all organic matter until nothing is left. Now, can the Hulk regenerate from that? He has been shown coming back from charred remains, however I wonder what would happen if everything was simply gone!
Anyways, I like the Hulk, thus let's assume that even if he was VAPORIZED he could still form himself from ambient molecules! Thus let's say the Hulk has an unknown ability to coalesce and cohere his scattered atoms and bing himself back (yep ....at heart I am a Hulk fanboy).
The time it will take for the Hulk to reconstitute himself from free radicals in the air (which is what he would be) would allow Superman enough time to knock him into the depths of space.
Superspeed...anyone remember Speeddemon?
Now THAT is funny.
You are comparing the speed of SpeedDemon with the speed of Superman!
Honestly that just shows you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to Superman's abilities.
Hint: Their relative speeds are as different as light is from day.
Flying...jumping miles in the air
Now you compare the ability to fly (and in Superman's case not just fly, but fly at extremely high velocities as well as high agility) to the capability to JUMP!
That is like comparing the flight envelope of a Supersonic fighter to the linear trajectory of a spitball!
Anyways, your comparison of JUMPING to flying is almost as amazing as your comparison of Speed Demon's speed to Superman's (almost).
Superstrength...Limitless strength
This is one of the Hulk's prime abilities ....the ability to get stronger as he gets angrier.
However, for one, he wouldn't get the ability to amp up his ire/strength before the match is over.
Ice breath...does nothing
Nothing. Well, if the Hulk is flash frozen what happens? Well, that will not kill the Hulk. It will also not keep the Hulk down for a long time. However it can immobilize him long enough for Superman to do a whole lot of things with him (and with Superman's speed a second or two is all that is needed to have the Hulk hurtling through space).
X-ray vision...does nothing
LOL.
Well, for one X-ray vision is NOT an offensive ability (unless Superman wants to irradiate humans for no apparent reason). Thus hewouldn't be using it against the Hulk.
HOWEVER, THE HULK BETTER HOPE THAT SUPERMAN DOESN'T USE IT AGAINST HIM.
In Batman:Hush, Batman told Superman to use his x-ray vision to see if he (Batman) had a transmitter in his brain (which he did). He then told Superman to use his heat vision to burn it off, and Supes did it .....in essence brain surgery using x-ray vision (to see the foreign object, in this case the transmiter) and heat vision (as a 'scalpel'😉
Now, if Superman used his x-ray vision on the Hulk's head (and thus brain) he would be able to find the Hulk's limbic system and his archipallium.
The lymbic system is responsible for emotional states (like ANGER), and the archipallium is responsible for primitive/survival stuff (like AGRESSION).
He burns them off!
Result: No more anger. Thus, no more Hulk.
In essence the Superman 'power' you thought was one of the most useless in the fight is actually one of the ones that bodes the most ill for the Hulk.
Anyways, since you believe that jumping trumps flying, and the Speed Demon's speed is analogous to Superman's, I am sure me saying that the Hulk is grossly outmatched will be to no avail.
However I'm sure most others know that the Hulk and Superman are simply NOT peers. I'm actually using your (rather illogical, and at times funny) points (such as 'jumping up for many miles' being an answer to flying at the level Superman is able to) to show just how ridiculous a match between Superman and the Hulk is, and just how ludicrous arguments for the Hulk get. Thanks for all the source material by the way ....you made it quite easy.
The only reason the Hulk is even compared to Superman is because the Hulk is the premier powerhouse in Marvel.
Marvel has other characters that would fare much better against Superman, and even win, but the Hulk is simply not in Superman's paygrade. He is just too one-dimension .....nothing more than a brawler with excessive super-strength and a dim mind.
Have a nice day.
Originally posted by spetznaz
So you say .....let's have a look at your logic for that:His vision can burn hotter than the sun, meaning that it will slough all the flesh off of the Hulk, incinerate all the bones, and evaporate all organic matter until nothing is left. Now, can the Hulk regenerate from that? He has been shown coming back from charred remains, however I wonder what would happen if everything was simply gone!
Anyways, I like the Hulk, thus let's assume that even if he was VAPORIZED he could still form himself from ambient molecules! Thus let's say the Hulk has an unknown ability to coalesce and cohere his scattered atoms and bing himself back (yep ....at heart I am a Hulk fanboy).
The time it will take for the Hulk to reconstitute himself from free radicals in the air (which is what he would be) would allow Superman enough time to knock him into the depths of space.Now THAT is funny.
You are comparing the speed of SpeedDemon with the speed of Superman!
Honestly that just shows you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to Superman's abilities.
Hint: Their relative speeds are as different as light is from day.Now you compare the ability to fly (and in Superman's case not just fly, but fly at extremely high velocities as well as high agility) to the capability to JUMP!
That is like comparing the flight envelope of a Supersonic fighter to the linear trajectory of a spitball!Anyways, your comparison of JUMPING to flying is almost as amazing as your comparison of Speed Demon's speed to Superman's (almost).
This is one of the Hulk's prime abilities ....the ability to get stronger as he gets angrier.
However, for one, he wouldn't get the ability to amp up his ire/strength before the match is over.Nothing. Well, if the Hulk is flash frozen what happens? Well, that will not kill the Hulk. It will also not keep the Hulk down for a long time. However it can immobilize him long enough for Superman to do a whole lot of things with him (and with Superman's speed a second or two is all that is needed to have the Hulk hurtling through space).
LOL.
Well, for one X-ray vision is NOT an offensive ability (unless Superman wants to irradiate humans for no apparent reason). Thus hewouldn't be using it against the Hulk.HOWEVER, THE HULK BETTER HOPE THAT SUPERMAN DOESN'T USE IT AGAINST HIM.
In Batman:Hush, Batman told Superman to use his x-ray vision to see if he (Batman) had a transmitter in his brain (which he did). He then told Superman to use his heat vision to burn it off, and Supes did it .....in essence brain surgery using x-ray vision (to see the foreign object, in this case the transmiter) and heat vision (as a 'scalpel'😉
Now, if Superman used his x-ray vision on the Hulk's head (and thus brain) he would be able to find the Hulk's limbic system and his archipallium.
The lymbic system is responsible for emotional states (like ANGER), and the archipallium is responsible for primitive/survival stuff (like AGRESSION).
He burns them off!Result: No more anger. Thus, no more Hulk.
In essence the Superman 'power' you thought was one of the most useless in the fight is actually one of the ones that bodes the most ill for the Hulk.
Anyways, since you believe that jumping trumps flying, and the Speed Demon's speed is analogous to Superman's, I am sure me saying that the Hulk is grossly outmatched will be to no avail.
However I'm sure most others know that the Hulk and Superman are simply NOT peers. I'm actually using your (rather illogical, and at times funny) points (such as 'jumping up for many miles' being an answer to flying at the level Superman is able to) to show just how ridiculous a match between Superman and the Hulk is, and just how ludicrous arguments for the Hulk get. Thanks for all the source material by the way ....you made it quite easy.
The only reason the Hulk is even compared to Superman is because the Hulk is the premier powerhouse in Marvel.
Marvel has other characters that would fare much better against Superman, and even win, but the Hulk is simply not in Superman's paygrade. He is just too one-dimension .....nothing more than a brawler with excessive super-strength and a dim mind.Have a nice day.
Thats not necessarily true, I have seen an episode of drawn together where the Superman character gave a woman cancer from x ray vison 😆
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Can someone just explain to me why?
Analogy time:
You have 2 students that are going to take a very comprehensive exam where they will be tested on a WHOLE variety of knowledge.
Adam:
He is a genius in mathematics. However, since he is an idiot savant, that is all he is good at. He may be able to state the value of Pi to the thousandth digit through brain power alone, but if you ask him what H2O is, or how many states are in the USA, he is completely dumbfounded.
He is, in essence, a one-trick pony.
Eve:
She is also a genius in mathematics (able to do all the mental gymnastics that Adam is able to, and for that matter she is even BETTER than HE is in Math ....the thing is that the longer Adam 'concentrates' the better he gets at math, which is an allusion to the oft-quoted quip that the more the Hulk gets angry the stronger he gets. Thus Eve is even bette
Originally posted by bigboygreen
Hulk is very resourcful he has limitless strength and preaty much invincible. Hulk can take superman with realitive ease .
Okay why the hell is this going on still? Hulk fanboys keep saying that Hulk has got a degree of superspeed and that we shouldn't underestimate his quickness. His quickness is close to nothing compared to Superman who can go at LIGHT speeds. Just in case the Hulk fanboys want to know, the speed of light is 186,000 miles per SECOND and that is 669,600,000 miles per hour. At best, Hulk runs about 400mph. That means that Superman is 1,674,000 times faster than Hulk!
Hulk fanboys are also seaming to mention that Superman rarely uses his powers in a fight. That he just goes into a fist fight with his opponents. They seriously need to start reading more Superman. Superman does not like to hurt anybody regardless of who they are or what they've done. He just fights hard enough to disable his opponent regularly. However, if Superman feels that he cannot win a fight based on pure fighting, then he will go and use his powers to his fullest degree. He just likes to test people before he risks killing them. Superman could actually kill Hulk in h2h anyways. Since this is bloodlusted Superman anyway, we won't have to worry about him using his powers to the fullest potential.
There is also the arguement that Superman is not as strong as Hulk. First of all, Hulk's base strength is WAY below Superman's. Hulk would seriously have to get pissed for HOURS straight to come close. Second of all, Hulk has never demonstrated the kind of strength that Superman has. While Hulk fanboys think that him lifting a 150 billion ton mountain is so cool, Superman is pulling the moon. Even Post-Crisis Superman is holding black holes IN THE PALM OF HIS HAND! Let's see: Holding a black hole in the palm of your hand and pulling the moon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting a mountain.
Hulk fanboys also have trouble understanding that Superman is just too damn versatile for Hulk to even survive this encounter for 10 seconds. While I believe Hulk's skin can withstand temperatures of up to 4000 degrees Celsius (I can't remember if it was Celsius or Fahrenheit. Correct me if I'm wrong.) Superman can make his heat vision incalcuably hot. Even scientists can't measure how hot his heat vision gets because it's just TOO DAMN HOT! Trust me, Superman has used his heat vision plenty in his encounters. Hulk would be burned to a crisp. He has also got ice breath which people seem to forget. Superman has easily frozen Wonder Woman with his ice breath when he didn't even want to deal with her. His ice breath is so grand, that it can freeze entire oceans. Superman also can vibrate his molecules intangible and invisible. Superman once again, has shown these feats numerous times.
In conclusion, to say that Hulk would win this fight is simply favoritism. There is absolutely no conceivable way that Hulk could win this fight. Like I was saying before, Superman wins 10/10.
Re: Re: Why can't hulk beat superman
Originally posted by spetznaz
Analogy time:You have 2 students that are going to take a very comprehensive exam where they will be tested on a WHOLE variety of knowledge.
Adam:
He is a genius in mathematics. However, since he is an idiot savant, that is all he is good at. He may be able to state the value of Pi to the thousandth digit through brain power alone, but if you ask him what H2O is, or how many states are in the USA, he is completely dumbfounded.
He is, in essence, a one-trick pony.Eve:
She is also a genius in mathematics (able to do all the mental gymnastics that Adam is able to, and for that matter she is even BETTER than HE is in Math ....the thing is that the longer Adam 'concentrates' the better he gets at math, which is an allusion to the oft-quoted quip that the more the Hulk gets angry the stronger he gets. Thus Eve is even better than Adam in math, but if Adam was to concentrate for long enough he could, theoretically, be a better genius at Math than Eve).
However she is also a genius in biology (ranging from genius level comprehension of everything from botany to zoology to micro-biology and everything in-between).
She is also a genius is physics (ranging from high-school level to advanced quantum mechanics and their application .....where she even has several patents and has won several prizes, including a Nobel award).
She is a genius in literature, in philosophy, in chemistry, in geography, in art, in crafts, in world and military histories, in commerce and fiscal applications of business principles, in nautical navigation ......
She is even a darn genius is knitting!Now, if they take a comprehensive exam, what chance does Adam have of defeating Eve?
Absolutely NIL!
No chance .....he is simply too uni-dimensional, and she is simply too omni-dimensional.That is why the Hulk can never defeat Superman.
For one Superman starts out far stronger than the Hulk is ......thus even on a strength level Superman is on a higher scale.
However let's argue, for the sake of debate, that they start out at par in terms of strength (i.e they are both 'geniuses' in 'mathematics'😉.Well, although they are both good at 'math' (strength), Superman doesn't stop there while the Hulk is basically left with no leg to stand on.
Now, comics have PIS/CIS (and for that matter the only reason the various Hulk vs Superman bouts happened was because Superman was the premier powerhouse for DC and Hulk the premier powerhouse for Marvel ......that is the ONLY reason for it, because the two are as different as day is from night).
HOWEVER, using KMC rules ....where both characters are using all their faculties and capabilities .....the Hulk wouldn't even be able to know what Superman is doing.
It would be over and be over quick.Same thing in the exam between Adam and Eve.
Even though Adam is a genius in math, so is Eve.
However Even is also a genius in so many things .....most of which are subject matters that Adam cannot even PRONOUNCE!Eve (Superman) defeats Adam (the Hulk) 10/10 ......you do not match an omni-dimensional character against a uni-dimensional one/one-trick-pony character.
😆 ✅
Originally posted by batdude123
Okay why the hell is this going on still? Hulk fanboys keep saying that Hulk has got a degree of superspeed and that we shouldn't underestimate his quickness. His quickness is close to nothing compared to Superman who can go at LIGHT speeds. Just in case the Hulk fanboys want to know, the speed of light is 186,000 miles per SECOND and that is 669,600,000 miles per hour. At best, Hulk runs about 400mph. That means that Superman is 1,674,000 times faster than Hulk!Hulk fanboys are also seaming to mention that Superman rarely uses his powers in a fight. That he just goes into a fist fight with his opponents. They seriously need to start reading more Superman. Superman does not like to hurt anybody regardless of who they are or what they've done. He just fights hard enough to disable his opponent regularly. However, if Superman feels that he cannot win a fight based on pure fighting, then he will go and use his powers to his fullest degree. He just likes to test people before he risks killing them. Superman could actually kill Hulk in h2h anyways. Since this is bloodlusted Superman anyway, we won't have to worry about him using his powers to the fullest potential.
There is also the arguement that Superman is not as strong as Hulk. First of all, Hulk's base strength is WAY below Superman's. Hulk would seriously have to get pissed for HOURS straight to come close. Second of all, Hulk has never demonstrated the kind of strength that Superman has. While Hulk fanboys think that him lifting a 150 billion ton mountain is so cool, Superman is pulling the moon. Even Post-Crisis Superman is holding black holes IN THE PALM OF HIS HAND! Let's see: Holding a black hole in the palm of your hand and pulling the moon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting a mountain.
Hulk fanboys also have trouble understanding that Superman is just too damn versatile for Hulk to even survive this encounter for 10 seconds. While I believe Hulk's skin can withstand temperatures of up to 4000 degrees Celsius (I can't remember if it was Celsius or Fahrenheit. Correct me if I'm wrong.) Superman can make his heat vision incalcuably hot. Even scientists can't measure how hot his heat vision gets because it's just TOO DAMN HOT! Trust me, Superman has used his heat vision plenty in his encounters. Hulk would be burned to a crisp. He has also got ice breath which people seem to forget. Superman has easily frozen Wonder Woman with his ice breath when he didn't even want to deal with her. His ice breath is so grand, that it can freeze entire oceans. Superman also can vibrate his molecules intangible and invisible. Superman once again, has shown these feats numerous times.
In conclusion, to say that Hulk would win this fight is simply favoritism. There is absolutely no conceivable way that Hulk could win this fight. Like I was saying before, Superman wins 10/10.
Ignore bigboygreen he's the Mider of Hulk fanboy's