Originally posted by Utrigita
and there would have been a difference with one celestial why?
Believe it or not, I agree with you. One or eight it would have made very little difference in the long run since the Destroyer couldn't even damage them (all damage done was cosmetic).
But being gang raped by 8 Celestials isn't exactly a low showing. What would Galactus have done? He would have died just the same.
Originally posted by zopzop
Believe it or not, I agree with you. One or eight it would have made very little difference in the long run since the Destroyer couldn't even damage them (all damage done was cosmetic).But being gang raped by 8 Celestials isn't exactly a low showing. What would Galactus have done? He would have died just the same.
Atleast Galactus when he actually confronted the Celestials, granted in alternate reality, actually managed to destroy the shell of 3 celestials with his own power. That is a bit better then what Odin in the destroyer armor accomplished.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Atleast Galactus when he actually confronted the Celestials, granted in alternate reality, actually managed to destroy the shell of 3 celestials with his own power. That is a bit better then what Odin in the destroyer armor accomplished.
Universe/Earth/Mutant X reality? That was Franklin Richards and those were some ghetto Celestials. I mean their shell was Vibranium!
Originally posted by zopzop
Universe/Earth/Mutant X reality? That was Franklin Richards and those were some ghetto Celestials. I mean their shell was Vibranium!
The Franklin Richards that because he believed he Galactus thus became Galactus and displayed a level of power that the Celestials in that reality didn't find strange at all, which makes it fairly simple to deduce that the powerlevel he was operating on was similar to the "real" Galactus. Add that to the fact that Galactus from the 616 is the strongest of the Alternate Galactus (atleast until the Galactus engine was portrayed, where Galactus btw was the last guy standing and that includes 5(?) Celestials) that still leaves a Galactus that would at a minimum be capable of taking out one Celestial, the Destroyer didn't take out a single one.
I don't recall that was stated at all, but I do recall Arishem oneshotting the Asgardians when they attacked the host.
Edit: The only thing I recall about Vibranium is the device Reed uses in the end.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The Franklin Richards that because he believed he Galactus thus became Galactus and displayed a level of power that the Celestials in that reality didn't find strange at all, which makes it fairly simple to deduce that the powerlevel he was operating on was similar to the "real" Galactus. Add that to the fact that Galactus from the 616 is the strongest of the Alternate Galactus (atleast until the Galactus engine was portrayed, where Galactus btw was the last guy standing and that includes 5(?) Celestials) that still leaves a Galactus that would at a minimum be capable of taking out one Celestial, the Destroyer didn't take out a single one.
Franklin Richards >>>>>>>>>>>Galactus of any reality. Hell in 616 when the In-betweener was running wild a CHILD version of Franklin stated he could hurt the IB if he didn't have the mental blocks on his powers. This is Franklin at 6 or 7 years old.
The Franklin in Universe/Mutant/Earth X was a full grown adult. His power would DWARF Galactus'. Case in point being, it was Franklin that made those ghetto version of the Celestials run off not Galactus. Galactus was DEAD.
Galactus isn't in Franklin's league, at all.
Originally posted by zopzop
Franklin Richards >>>>>>>>>>>Galactus of any reality. Hell in 616 when the In-betweener was running wild a CHILD version of Franklin stated he could hurt the IB if he didn't have the mental blocks on his powers. This is Franklin at 6 or 7 years old.The Franklin in Universe/Mutant/Earth X was a full grown adult. His power would DWARF Galactus'. Case in point being, it was Franklin that made those ghetto version of the Celestials run off not Galactus. Galactus was DEAD.
Galactus isn't in Franklin's league, at all.
No, as clearly shown in the alternate reality, and yes Franklin stated that he could hurt IB, but 1. we don't know if he actually could. 2. Galactus managed to hurt the IB as well. 3. Hurt is relative, I throw a punch that will hurt my opponent but he might remain standing, or I can do a mawashe geri to the face and knock him out cold. Both attacks would hurt my opponent, but the force of each attack is different thus the damage inflicted is different, and lets not forget that even though Franklin has a great power (according to Ashema on their level) but his durability is nothing (as far as I can tell) beyond that of a normal human. But to stay on the statement by Ashema, that would place Franklin in power, around the Celestials, the same Celestials that Galactus fought along side in TI and notice that Galactus as far as we were told was the only one to confront the Galactus engine, the others had withdrawn.
No it wouldn't, it's make quite clear from my perspective in the story that the reason as to why Franklin becomes Galactus is because he thinks he is Galactus, and as a result he gains the powers and abilities of Galactus, that is what enables him to defeat the Celestials and why the Celestials in the first place choosed to alter the mind of the Gods (advanced mutants) on Earth X in order to prevent that they would evolve like Franklin did. Yet for the thousands of years before Franklin became Galactus, Galactus was doing the job, and the Celestials when they encountered Franklin didn't suspect that anything was wrong. That is something that would only be possible if Galactus (Franklin) was operating on the same level as Galactus (Galan).
It's the other way around, If Franklin was so powerful as you claim why didn't he enter the Negative Zone and perform a blast ala Galactus? Maybe because he couldn't? Kom ud af din bobbel.
Originally posted by UtrigitaAt the time the celestrial fought odin they we on top of the cosmic food chain. Galactus was below them at the time. Also the Celestrial that fought the engine were not even close to the fourth host in terms of power. And the Galactus engien was not stronger then Big G it couldn't die so eventually it would wear out the abtracts
The Franklin Richards that because he believed he Galactus thus became Galactus and displayed a level of power that the Celestials in that reality didn't find strange at all, which makes it fairly simple to deduce that the powerlevel he was operating on was similar to the "real" Galactus. Add that to the fact that Galactus from the 616 is the strongest of the Alternate Galactus (atleast until the Galactus engine was portrayed, where Galactus btw was the last guy standing and that includes 5(?) Celestials) that still leaves a Galactus that would at a minimum be capable of taking out one Celestial, the Destroyer didn't take out a single one.I don't recall that was stated at all, but I do recall Arishem oneshotting the Asgardians when they attacked the host.
Edit: The only thing I recall about Vibranium is the device Reed uses in the end.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
At the time the celestrial fought odin they we on top of the cosmic food chain. Galactus was below them at the time. Also the Celestrial that fought the engine were not even close to the fourth host in terms of power. And the Galactus engien was not stronger then Big G it couldn't die so eventually it would wear out the abtracts
Have I denied that? Nope. Is that still the case concerning Galactus and the Celestials? I highly doubt it.
And no 15 Celestials is certainly one weak cocktail... The universe is at stake, if the Celestials acted like the did the last time things was getting hot (Maelstrom incident in particular) they won't be sending the crap.
The Galactus Engine in it's initial attacks managed to destroy the M-body of Aegis, then it proceeded to rip through the alien defences while forcing the Abstracts on retreat. Everything seems to point to the contrary concerning it's powerlevel, unless you think that Galactus alone could have held his ground against 15 Celestials + Tenebrous and Aegis.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Have I denied that? Nope. Is that still the case concerning Galactus and the Celestials? I highly doubt it.And no 15 Celestials is certainly one weak cocktail... The universe is at stake, if the Celestials acted like the did the last time things was getting hot (Maelstrom incident in particular) they won't be sending the crap.
The Galactus Engine in it's initial attacks managed to destroy the M-body of Aegis, then it proceeded to rip through the alien defences while forcing the Abstracts on retreat. Everything seems to point to the contrary concerning it's powerlevel, unless you think that Galactus alone could have held his ground against 15 Celestials + Tenebrous and Aegis.
Why add all that. Teneberous and Aegis OWNED Galactus. They don't need help from 15 Celestials.
Originally posted by Utrigita
No, as clearly shown in the alternate reality, and yes Franklin stated that he could hurt IB, but 1. we don't know if he actually could. 2. Galactus managed to hurt the IB as well. 3. Hurt is relative, I throw a punch that will hurt my opponent but he might remain standing, or I can do a mawashe geri to the face and knock him out cold. Both attacks would hurt my opponent, but the force of each attack is different thus the damage inflicted is different, and lets not forget that even though Franklin has a great power (according to Ashema on their level) but his durability is nothing (as far as I can tell) beyond that of a normal human. But to stay on the statement by Ashema, that would place Franklin in power, around the Celestials, the same Celestials that Galactus fought along side in TI and notice that Galactus as far as we were told was the only one to confront the Galactus engine, the others had withdrawn.No it wouldn't, it's make quite clear from my perspective in the story that the reason as to why Franklin becomes Galactus is because he thinks he is Galactus, and as a result he gains the powers and abilities of Galactus, that is what enables him to defeat the Celestials and why the Celestials in the first place choosed to alter the mind of the Gods (advanced mutants) on Earth X in order to prevent that they would evolve like Franklin did. Yet for the thousands of years before Franklin became Galactus, Galactus was doing the job, and the Celestials when they encountered Franklin didn't suspect that anything was wrong. That is something that would only be possible if Galactus (Franklin) was operating on the same level as Galactus (Galan).
It's the other way around, If Franklin was so powerful as you claim why didn't he enter the Negative Zone and perform a blast ala Galactus? Maybe because he couldn't? Kom ud af din bobbel.
A) It was an alternate reality. Those Celestials had ghetto Vibranium shells and reproduced by laying Celestial eggs in a planets core. Nothing like 616 Celestials.
B) Galactus isn't in the same league power wise with Franklin. Franklin was SEVEN or so years old at the time of the Galactus/IB fight. Galactus "hurt" the IB but the IB was about to beat his ass till Surfer/Nova/Elders interfered.