Originally posted by Utrigita
No only the Vibranium part since I don't recall it, granted it's been years since I read it, on a side note, isn't Vibranium what makes up the majority of Captain America's shield? If that is the case I'll hardly call it weak, since iirc, it's from Vibranium that you create Adamantium.
I provided you the Vibranium scan regarding Universe/Earth/Mutant X Celestials and how they "reproduced", they are NOTHING like 616 Celestials. Also you got confirmation that Vibranium is used to make Adamantium? Also, again, I was under the impression that Cap's shield is MAJORITY adamantium mixed with some vibranium.
Oh so we isn't restricting it too 616 Galactus my bad. He actually succeeded in eating the elders (rather easily I might add) he just hadn't counted on them reforming inside (lol) his stomach. You mean the time where Galactus suddenly choosed (like he always does on earth for some strange reason) to employ his elementary converter while he was weakened as a result of Terrax meddling, yes that doesn't stink to high heaven of PIS... So Galactus have been close to death, but the question was how many times Galactus have died and of those you listed not a single one means that Galactus died as a result. So we are back at the Magus incident and the Abraxas Saga, please refresh my memory beyond those two times.
He literally would have DIED in both those instances I mentioned. If it wasn't for Reed or Order/Chaos he'd have been dead..........again.
A Alternate Universe where it was stated that the Celestials was afraid of the mutants because when the mutants evolve they would become a threat to the Celestials (hence why the mindlocked the "gods"😉. Franklin is a prime example of that fear because, by believing he was Galactus he became Galactus. It's really that simple, and I stress again, did the Celestials react differently to the Franklin Galactus then they else would have? No. Why? Because that Franklin Galactus displayed exactly the same powers and abilities as the real Galactus, which means that the Celestials is familiar with Galactus having the power to defeat them in combat, I'll mention it again, before Franklin it was the real Galactus that was devouring the planets. You keep acting like Adult Franklin is God given mortal form. Lets recall on one thing shall we? Adult Franklin was iirc killed in his reality by one Omega Sentinel, would Galactus have been beaten by one Omega Sentinel?
You are really, really reaching here. You have no idea if Galacuts is anything equaling adult Franklin in power.
We have no idea if ONE adult Franlink from an ALTERNATE reality had access to his full powers or not.
I'm merely highlighting a strange occurance, which is that the awakening of the Dreaming Celestial apparently was a bigger threat then the IG etc, in which Galactus didn't show fear. And again let me highlight the actual on panel power comparison, Tiamut said that his current powerlevel weakened allowed him to still wipe out a large part of the Solar System, something Galactus on his dead bed overdid. But again I'm forgetting that the statement concerning what you can do is more important then what was done.
Maybe Galactus remembers the Dreaming Celestial using and abusing his body even while the DC was imprisoned.
Would you please point me to a place where it is stated that being in the 616 reality amplifies Galactus powerlevel? Because I don't recall such a incident at all.
It doens't amplify anything, he just had "home field advantage" as they say.
So why was it then important to stress that the battle between Galactus happened after the he had summoned Death?
Just pointing out he made one of the Major universal abstractions his bixxh. Then went on to pummel Galactus until the Heralds/Elders interfered. And even then they didnt' beat him, his masters stepped in and stopped him.
I'm sorry, but last time I checked the elders are immortals because of that very deal Grandmaster tricked Death into making with them. A opposite of being immortal is obvious to be mortal, and the only being that could make the Elders mortal again was Death, since it was her that barred their way to her realm in the first place. If the Inbetweener is as powerful as you make him out to be, why didn't he kill the elders himself then? Fact is that he couldn't but Death their opposite could, hence his special power came into effect.
Wow talk about reaching. It was stated on panel that he FORCED Death to take them against her will. This was confirmed later in the Thanos Quest! She is NOT their opposite, if anything she stands opposed to Eternity, just like Oblivion stands opposite to Infinity.
I don't recall him reconstructing himself, but rather that he made the trip to the present and helped the present Franklin block his powers and then going back, fathering Hyperstorm with Rachel and then dying to the omega Sentinel, but before doing so he had sent a mental projection of himself back through time that was then feasting on the energies of the present Franklin and Rachel to substain itself but realises that doing so will kill them in the long run and stops the drain thus killing himself. Anyways this point to the point I have stressed throughout the entire debate, Franklin certainly have a awesome power, but in the end his durability is nothing fantastic.
He survived having his body disintegrated, traveled back in time from an ALTERNATE future to 616 reality, drained power from the Phoenix avatar and his younger self and recreated for him a new body. This isn't impressive?
So your now saying that the Children that is operating on a level close or equal to the Celestials are weak because they were the only one that could reconstruct Galactus, Galactus from the 616 being the only being that could stand up to Abraxas? It's if anything a good showing from Galactus that both Franklin and Valeries power combined, was required to reconstruct him, because they (Franklin and Valerie) were incapable of doing anything towards Abraxas, else why go through the problems of bringing Galactus back? Oh right PIS, sorry for stealing your comment.
Dude they were still children and not at their full potential yet they still yanked him from Eternity/Infinity and saved his sorry ass. To add insult to injury, all he did was give Reed the nullifier and Reed wound up saving the day.
Galactus's biggest problem is that he has always been a plot device character. You need a cosmic threat, here he is gift wrapped in purple. You need a jobber to show how strong the newest cosmic threat say his name and he shall appear. Or you need a way to arbitrarily end a fight with a universal threat and he comes in guns blazing. Galactus will go from moderate-high surfer showing levels to near unstoppable forces of nature seemingly within the same issue at times. OP would need to specify exact level for me or anyone I would think to say where he makes it to on the gauntlet
Originally posted by zopzopFantastic four first encounter.
Quick question though Uriel, when has Galactus been shown as being near unstoppable?The one time I could think of was when Tiamut altered him and he was devouring the universe but he himself would die at the end. Not really that impressive.
Originally posted by zopzop
I provided you the Vibranium scan regarding Universe/Earth/Mutant X Celestials and how they "reproduced", they are NOTHING like 616 Celestials. Also you got confirmation that Vibranium is used to make Adamantium? Also, again, I was under the impression that Cap's shield is MAJORITY adamantium mixed with some vibranium.
Yes you did so after I had typed in my reply, and the question never was whether or not they were like the 616 Celestials was it? The question was if Galactus from a alternate reality could defeat them, and if that Galactus stood a chance, then one of most powerful of the Galactus (taking the debate with DarkOdin into consideration) would also stand a chance. I believe it was in Captain America #303-304 that Dr. Myron MacLain tells us how he made CA shield by bonding Vibranium with Iron through unknown means and then afterwards tried to reproduce the effect only to make Adamantium. But anyways Vibranium has another interesting abilities, which is that the more energy you direct towards it the tougher it becomes, and since the Celestials in the 9997 reality is beings made of well pure energy, the armor that they wear that is made from Vibranium will be extremely tough, which again only speaks for the powerlevel that Galactus had in that reality.
Originally posted by zopzop
He literally would have DIED in both those instances I mentioned. If it wasn't for Reed or Order/Chaos he'd have been dead..........again.
But did he? No which means that again you have two incidents that I mentioned while you failed to provide something beyond that. The question never was how many times Galactus have been close to dying, which in the end would just have meant that Galactus would reform himself, and as mentioned before; Galactus is hungry but begins to set up his elementary converter? Galactus a being of pure energy has a stomach?
Originally posted by zopzop
You are really, really reaching here. You have no idea if Galacuts is anything equaling adult Franklin in power.We have no idea if ONE adult Franlink from an ALTERNATE reality had access to his full powers or not.
No not really. Franklin I believe became Galactus in that reality after Galactus had been turned into a star, that means that prior to that Galactus (obviously) had been the one consuming the different planets and driving off the Celestials when they were present on the different planets, again the Celestials didn't find Galactus power odd, they have been dealing with him for eons, which means that the powerlevel Franklin demonstrated was entirely within the parameters of what powerlevel they ascribed to Galactus.
Yet you had no issue with using the adult Franklin Richards from a alternate universe as proof that Franklin could reconstruct himself even though it was a feat not done under his own power.
And again would Galactus have been beaten by one Omega Sentinel as I believe it was the case with Adult Franklin in reality 811?
Originally posted by zopzop
Maybe Galactus remembers the Dreaming Celestial using and abusing his body even while the DC was imprisoned.
Except that happened in a alternate reality. But it's a possibility that Galactus remembered knows, like Uatu sometimes does, what happened in a alternate universe if things had taken a different turn. So it's likely that Galactus knows that the Dreaming Celestial manipulated a weakened Galactus into not being capable of sating his hunger any longer. I don't know, but ultimately it doesn't change the strange statement concerning the other far more powerful beings/artifacts that Galactus have encountered.
Originally posted by zopzop
It doens't amplify anything, he just had "home field advantage" as they say.
Then it's of absolutely no consequance and entirely unrelevant so why bring it up?
Originally posted by zopzop
Just pointing out he made one of the Major universal abstractions his bixxh. Then went on to pummel Galactus until the Heralds/Elders interfered. And even then they didnt' beat him, his masters stepped in and stopped him.
Is it of any consequance or have any bearing on the battle between the two? No, so it's irrelevant when IB was humbled easily by Master Order and Lord Chaos two beings that are said to operate, in power scale, below Eternity. You mean they went on to pummel each other, with Galactus getting in the most strikes? because that would be the correct assesment. No they didn't beat him because the moment the Elders and heralds stepped in the portal back into Order and Chaos realm was reopened.
Originally posted by zopzop
Wow talk about reaching. It was stated on panel that he FORCED Death to take them against her will. This was confirmed later in the Thanos Quest! She is NOT their opposite, if anything she stands opposed to Eternity, just like Oblivion stands opposite to Infinity.
Try and reread the panels, IB directly states that he summons the one force that can negate them, that is Death, he then says Death doesn't have a choice given the way his power work in regards to his existence to counterbalance extremes, IB notes that he is both life and death in the current universe, where in his old universe Reality was but playthings for Lord Order and Master Chaos, so that isn't reaching at all, actually it's clarifying what happened on panel with added context. So now if Eternity and IB was to fight you believe that IB could summon Death to fight Eternity?
Originally posted by zopzop
He survived having his body disintegrated, traveled back in time from an ALTERNATE future to 616 reality, drained power from the Phoenix avatar and his younger self and recreated for him a new body. This isn't impressive?
Let me clarify again. Before Adult Franklin Richards did had sent a mental projection of himself back through time (a dream-selves I believe it's called) when he gets there Adult Franklin needs both Rachel and Franklin to tap into in order to remake his body (which means as you also say that he needs the phoenix avatar), which means that it was a feat he couldn't accomplish on his own, unlike Galactus who remaked, Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer and Nova alongside his ship, without having the need to draw on any outside energies, except willing himself together. There is the difference. Furthermore the feats accomplished by Adult Franklin Richards are then in question since it was with the powers of Franklin and Rachel that he managed to perform them.
Originally posted by zopzop
Dude they were still children and not at their full potential yet they still yanked him from Eternity/Infinity and saved his sorry ass. To add insult to injury, all he did was give Reed the nullifier and Reed wound up saving the day.
Are you denying that Galactus was reconstructed because Galactus was the only one that had the required power to stand up to Abraxas? I mean it's fairly obvious that neither Franklin and Valerie combined didn't have the required powers else they wouldn't have reconstructed Galactus. Incorrect Galactus didn't give the UN to Reed, he dropped it when he was attacked, killed the attackers and said that Reed knew what had to be done since it "falled to him", if Galactus hadn't been attacked he would have done what was required himself, since Galactus is the one that has the best showing of controlling the UN of all the different users. And again is Franklin and Valerie now stronger then Eternity and Infinity combined?
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes you did so after I had typed in my reply, and the question never was whether or not they were like the 616 Celestials was it? The question was if Galactus from a alternate reality could defeat them, and if that Galactus stood a chance, then one of most powerful of the Galactus (taking the debate with DarkOdin into consideration) would also stand a chance. I believe it was in Captain America #303-304 that Dr. Myron MacLain tells us how he made CA shield by bonding Vibranium with Iron through unknown means and then afterwards tried to reproduce the effect only to make Adamantium. But anyways Vibranium has another interesting abilities, which is that the more energy you direct towards it the tougher it becomes, and since the Celestials in the 9997 reality is beings made of well pure energy, the armor that they wear that is made from Vibranium will be extremely tough, which again only speaks for the powerlevel that Galactus had in that reality.
Oh please, Odinforce Thor dented the hell out of Captain America's shield and he wasn't even going all out. I would hope Galactus was capable of replicating that feat but then again this is the universal jobber we are talking about here to maybe he can't.
But it still means nothing ultimately. Since A) those Celestials are nothing like 616 Celestials, B) that wasn't really Galactus, he was dead and C) It was an adult Franklin.
But did he? No which means that again you have two incidents that I mentioned while you failed to provide something beyond that. The question never was how many times Galactus have been close to dying, which in the end would just have meant that Galactus would reform himself, and as mentioned before; Galactus is hungry but begins to set up his elementary converter? Galactus a being of pure energy has a stomach?
When Galactus died during the Abraxus arc, did he reform himself? NO. And Galactus has been shown bleeding and having a skeletal structure, he's inconsistent as well as being a jobber.
No not really. Franklin I believe became Galactus in that reality after Galactus had been turned into a star, that means that prior to that Galactus (obviously) had been the one consuming the different planets and driving off the Celestials when they were present on the different planets, again the Celestials didn't find Galactus power odd, they have been dealing with him for eons, which means that the powerlevel Franklin demonstrated was entirely within the parameters of what powerlevel they ascribed to Galactus.Yet you had no issue with using the adult Franklin Richards from a alternate universe as proof that Franklin could reconstruct himself even though it was a feat not done under his own power.
And again would Galactus have been beaten by one Omega Sentinel as I believe it was the case with Adult Franklin in reality 811?
Since we are discussing ALTERNATE universe characters not 616 characters it's pointless to use them as examples of anything. Would adult Franklin from 616 get killed by one omega sentinel like the alternate universe Franklin did? Who knows? Can Franklin of 616 after he reaches adulthood duplicate Franklin from alternate futures time hop resurrection? Who knows? The only reason I brought up alt Future Franklin's stunt is because you were using alt universe Galactus/Celestials showings as proof of something.
Except that happened in a alternate reality. But it's a possibility that Galactus remembered knows, like Uatu sometimes does, what happened in a alternate universe if things had taken a different turn. So it's likely that Galactus knows that the Dreaming Celestial manipulated a weakened Galactus into not being capable of sating his hunger any longer. I don't know, but ultimately it doesn't change the strange statement concerning the other far more powerful beings/artifacts that Galactus have encountered.
But have those far more powerful beings violated Galactus' personhood in the way the BC did?
Then it's of absolutely no consequance and entirely unrelevant so why bring it up?
Because it was mentioned in the Comic. When the IB and Galactus were fighting. The IB mentioned that he (Galactus) had the advantage now because they were in his reality but soon they would be drawn into the black hole where the two universes intersect and the IB would have the advantage.
EDIT, I think it WAS of consequence. I need to find the issue and post the scan. This makes the IB showing even more impressive it I'm remembering it now right.
Is it of any consequance or have any bearing on the battle between the two? No, so it's irrelevant when IB was humbled easily by Master Order and Lord Chaos two beings that are said to operate, in power scale, below Eternity. You mean they went on to pummel each other, with Galactus getting in the most strikes? because that would be the correct assesment. No they didn't beat him because the moment the Elders and heralds stepped in the portal back into Order and Chaos realm was reopened.
He was humbled by those who created him. Of course they'd know how to deal with him. Fact is he ordered around Eternity's polar opposite like was her pimp. Galactus got more "blows" in but it didnt' matter one bit. He was still losing and even with the Elders/Heralds help all they did was push him into the Magic Universe where his masters dealt with him. Because you realize that if it wasn't for Order/Chaos they would NEVER have defeated IB.
Try and reread the panels, IB directly states that he summons the one force that can negate them, that is Death, he then says Death doesn't have a choice given the way his power work in regards to his existence to counterbalance extremes, IB notes that he is both life and death in the current universe, where in his old universe Reality was but playthings for Lord Order and Master Chaos, so that isn't reaching at all, actually it's clarifying what happened on panel with added context. So now if Eternity and IB was to fight you believe that IB could summon Death to fight Eternity?
Sure, why not? Or currently he could summon the CK. Since it was stated that he's an "anti-Eternity".
Let me clarify again. Before Adult Franklin Richards did had sent a mental projection of himself back through time (a dream-selves I believe it's called) when he gets there Adult Franklin needs both Rachel and Franklin to tap into in order to remake his body (which means as you also say that he needs the phoenix avatar), which means that it was a feat he couldn't accomplish on his own, unlike Galactus who remaked, Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer and Nova alongside his ship, without having the need to draw on any outside energies, except willing himself together. There is the difference. Furthermore the feats accomplished by Adult Franklin Richards are then in question since it was with the powers of Franklin and Rachel that he managed to perform them.
That was an adult Franklin from an ALTERNATE universe. The only reason why I brought it up is because you were using ALTERnATE universe versions of Galactus (which was really Franklin) and Celestials as proof of something.
Are you denying that Galactus was reconstructed because Galactus was the only one that had the required power to stand up to Abraxas? I mean it's fairly obvious that neither Franklin and Valerie combined didn't have the required powers else they wouldn't have reconstructed Galactus. Incorrect Galactus didn't give the UN to Reed, he dropped it when he was attacked, killed the attackers and said that Reed knew what had to be done since it "falled to him", if Galactus hadn't been attacked he would have done what was required himself, since Galactus is the one that has the best showing of controlling the UN of all the different users. And again is Franklin and Valerie now stronger then Eternity and Infinity combined?
Galactus dropped it cause he was reeling in pain from an attack by his own heralds! That gimp was hurt by Nova! Amazingly Reed accomplished the job of repairing the universe/multiverse by using the UN just fine. The only thing Galactus did was snatch the UN away from Abraxus. Frank/Val rezzed him then Reed finished the job.
What a showing by Big G!
Originally posted by zopzop
The IB didn't have 'trouble' with the robot. At that time that's how he fought. Analyzed the being then destroyed it by summoning it's opposite.
Right. That's why he was getting hit and was clearly hurt. Even that guy told him to defend himself. Ignoring on panel evidence?
"Fed" Galactus would have his ass handed to him by the IB just the same.
So, there is no difference between a fed Galactus and a hungry, dying Galactus? I mean clearly, if a hungry, Galactus who had just come out of a coma defeated the In-betweener (yes, the heralds are extensions of his power), then obviously a fed one would lose to him. How could I not see it?
Soon or later, he'd get hungry again
After he kicks the shit out of the In-Betweener?
and that's the end of him.
The In-Betweener?
There's no way in hell he's one shotting someone who made Death his bxxch.
So him telling Death what to do means that Death was his *****? And what does that have to do with anything? This is Galactus, not Mistress Death.
Genius, the freaking IB was in a place where his powers DIDN'T work! That was his punishment for trying to wreck things and ignore the will of his creators: Order/Chaos. Thanos would have been crushed by the IB.
You're right here. I didn't recall that when I posted. Regardless, the In-Betweener is weak sauce to Galactus.
Originally posted by zopzop
CHILDREN rezzed Galactus. CHILDREN! At full potential Franklin would sneeze and Galactus would be nothing but a memory.
Right. Based on what exactly?
Originally posted by zopzop
CHILDREN rezzed Galactus. CHILDREN! At full potential Franklin would sneeze and Galactus would be nothing but a memory.
So? He can have as many mental blocks as he wants, does that change the fact that he AND his sister had to burn out their powers in order to resurrect Galactus; their only hope for survival?
Originally posted by Darth Kal-ElI'm officially a Zeus fanboy. So he loses at 2. sneer
Galactus runs the gauntlet with two hours of rest between each battle. Where does he stop? This is Galactus 80% full power.1) Genis-Vell
2) Zeus in Olympus
3) Odin in Asgard
4) Classic Beyonder
5) Thanos w/Cosmic Cube
6) Parallax
7) Phoenix
8) Living Tribunal
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Right. That's why he was getting hit and was clearly hurt. Even that guy told him to defend himself. Ignoring on panel evidence?
Reading comprehension for the win! :
He was in absolutely no danger and was merely analyzing the Punisher robot. He couldn't have made that more clear.
So, there is no difference between a fed Galactus and a hungry, dying Galactus? I mean clearly, if a hungry, Galactus who had just come out of a coma defeated the In-betweener (yes, the heralds are extensions of his power), then obviously a fed one would lose to him. How could I not see it?
You didn't read the issue did you? Or if you did you didn't understand what was going on. The only way they "defeated" the IB was by pushing him back into the Magic Universe where his masters dealt with him. This was a combined effort of Galactus/His Heralds/The Elders/Reed and Sue.
Galactus being fed or not is irrelevant, since it was stated in the issue that they were each other's opposite and equal in power.
So? He can have as many mental blocks as he wants, does that change the fact that he AND his sister had to burn out their powers in order to resurrect Galactus; their only hope for survival?
Yeah their only hope. He manages to snatch the UN from Abraxus only to lose it because his weaksauce herald rocked him. Then Reed saves the day, this after Reed's pre pubescent children rezzed Galactus. Nice.
Well to get back on topic, I believe that a Galactus that is non-jobbing...unrestrained by PIS...pulls out the Ultimate Nullifier and zaps everyone on this list...
The only survivors would be the Living Tribunal and Classic Beyonder...both of whom would beat Galactus; everyone else gets one-shotted.
Edit: I do really wish they would blow everything up and start over as Galactus jobs so much and is so "all-over-the-place" with his showings its ridiculous; given what he is supposed to be, he just isnt given his due on far too often a basis...
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Originally posted by zopzop
Oh please, Odinforce Thor dented the hell out of Captain America's shield and he wasn't even going all out. I would hope Galactus was capable of replicating that feat but then again this is the universal jobber we are talking about here to maybe he can't.But it still means nothing ultimately. Since A) those Celestials are nothing like 616 Celestials, B) that wasn't really Galactus, he was dead and C) It was an adult Franklin.
For the shield to withstand a blast from a being that I believe is around equal to Odin, and given the amount of credit you give Odin, it's really not a bad showing. The Shield have only suffered really damage when Doom with the power of Pre retcon Beyonder attacked the gathered heroes on Secret Wars, not saying that is the only power that can damage is, but just that a laughable amount is needed.
The point was that 1. The Celestials was obviously far more durable then you originally thought, because you were unaware of the ability Vibranium had. 2. Ignoring the point regarding Franklins power in that universe, while again ignoring that for eons Galactus have been the one holding the Celestial population in check, or are you still ignoring that? 3. Which is relevant beyond the part that it allowed him to access his powers to transform into Galactus why?
Originally posted by zopzop
When Galactus died during the Abraxus arc, did he reform himself? NO. And Galactus has been shown bleeding and having a skeletal structure, he's inconsistent as well as being a jobber.
I have already explained once why Galactus was converted into energy, to prevent him from reforming, but I suppose that once again it was a point that was overlooked or disregarded because it didn't suit your fictional image. Galactus have, going by the most recent encounter where he has been damaged, bleed energy, which points to what is generally known and the way Galactus is generally portrayed, as a being that encases himself in armor in order to maintain control of his energies.
Originally posted by zopzop
Since we are discussing ALTERNATE universe characters not 616 characters it's pointless to use them as examples of anything. Would adult Franklin from 616 get killed by one omega sentinel like the alternate universe Franklin did? Who knows? Can Franklin of 616 after he reaches adulthood duplicate Franklin from alternate futures time hop resurrection? Who knows? The only reason I brought up alt Future Franklin's stunt is because you were using alt universe Galactus/Celestials showings as proof of something.
So now the feat of Franklin reconstruction himself is no longer in effect? I was actually making a clear point, earlier in this discussion as to why I brought it up and why I had a discussion with DarkOdin in the first place. Galactus from the 616 reality is, based on the Abraxas encounter and the statements therein, the strongest of the multiple Galactus in the various other universes (discounting Galactus Engine for a second), following that line of thought, it is further logical to assume that if Galactus from another Universe is capable of atleast holding the Celestial population in check, then Galactus from the 616 reality will have a good shot at killing or defeating atleast one Celestial on his own. Which is far more then Odin in the Destroyer Armor managed to accomplish, which was my original point. Hell I could have taken the easy road, and said that the Celestials have a on panel shown weakness to beings that are capable of manipulating Hyperspace, a ability that is very well within Galactus own powerset.
Originally posted by zopzop
But have those far more powerful beings violated Galactus' personhood in the way the BC did?
It's entirely unrelevant, Galactus "fear" when he attends the coalitions against beings such as Thanos with IG/HOTU, Magus with CCU etc. is always the safety of (as he likes to call it) his reality, the threat from himself as BC Galactus was (going by what was shown on panel) rather insignificant in comparison with the threat from the others.
Originally posted by zopzop
Because it was mentioned in the Comic. When the IB and Galactus were fighting. The IB mentioned that he (Galactus) had the advantage now because they were in his reality but soon they would be drawn into the black hole where the two universes intersect and the IB would have the advantage.EDIT, I think it WAS of consequence. I need to find the issue and post the scan. This makes the IB showing even more impressive it I'm remembering it now right.
I asked you this before, I can ask you this again, where did the comic mention that Galactus from being in the 616 reality received a amp?
And how funny I mean really, you can only see what the IB did as impressive the fact that Galactus while weakened was fighting a fine IB, and getting in the most blows, still ascribe IB's showing as being the best?
Originally posted by zopzop
He was humbled by those who created him. Of course they'd know how to deal with him. Fact is he ordered around Eternity's polar opposite like was her pimp. Galactus got more "blows" in but it didnt' matter one bit. He was still losing and even with the Elders/Heralds help all they did was push him into the Magic Universe where his masters dealt with him. Because you realize that if it wasn't for Order/Chaos they would NEVER have defeated IB.
Yes? I have already said exactly what enabled him to do so, it's not something that makes his power skyrocket into LT level, unless ofcause you have another view on the words IB used, then by all means... What if they hadn't drifted into the black hole, the IB was (if we go by your own words) obviously looking for a advantage against a weakened Galactus, and furthermore what makes you say that Galactus was losing? And tbh, based on, in how low regards you hold a weakened Galactus it's rather pathetic that IB had to look for a advantage to beat him isn't it, or is it merely a showing of IB not being half as strong as you would like him to be?
Originally posted by zopzop
Sure, why not? Or currently he could summon the CK. Since it was stated that he's an "anti-Eternity".
I'll consider making a thread then, but it should be obvious that when Chaos and Order operates below Eternity, then Eternity will deal with IB as effortless as they did.
Originally posted by zopzop
That was an adult Franklin from an ALTERNATE universe. The only reason why I brought it up is because you were using ALTERnATE universe versions of Galactus (which was really Franklin) and Celestials as proof of something.
I have above, and before I believe, specified why I deemed the use of a alternate Galactus usable in this discussion, can you say the same for the Franklin incident?
Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus dropped it cause he was reeling in pain from an attack by his own heralds! That gimp was hurt by Nova! Amazingly Reed accomplished the job of repairing the universe/multiverse by using the UN just fine. The only thing Galactus did was snatch the UN away from Abraxus. Frank/Val rezzed him then Reed finished the job.What a showing by Big G!
If a child runs into you while your holding your hand stretched out infront of you with a egg on top, don't you think it's a plausible scenario that you will then drop that egg? It's true that Reed repaired the multiverse, but what is untrue is you portraying it in a way to show it as a feat beyond Galactus control, because I would be most interested in hearing what points to that, because as said before Galactus have shown the single handed best utilization of the UN. So now snatching the UN from Abraxas a feat that two Celestials levels being couldn't accomplish is a bad feat? And please don't say "they where only children", because it was obviously a feat for them previously when they ressed Galactus to be only children, or was that because it helped your fictional world image in regards to Galactus?
I agree, recalling the ultimate nullifier in a attack that made Abraxas cry out in pain, holding his ground against Galactus which no other alternate Galactus had shown capable of doing, Oneshotting 7+ heralds in a AoE Blast that only struck them, depleting two Celestial level beings just to be reconstructed, two beings that could on their own do nothing to Abraxas. So Yeah a good showing from Galactus.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
When is this fight coming up.. .which comic?
Supposedly in a revamped Thor comic, Guy222 informed me of it, knowing my interest in the powerlevel between Odin and Galactus, simply because there is a slight chance that Galactus and Odin will fight in that comic. Don't worry though I'll make sure to slam the comics preview up all over KMC comic section when I see it 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
For the shield to withstand a blast from a being that I believe is around equal to Odin, and given the amount of credit you give Odin, it's really not a bad showing. The Shield have only suffered really damage when Doom with the power of Pre retcon Beyonder attacked the gathered heroes on Secret Wars, not saying that is the only power that can damage is, but just that a laughable amount is needed.The point was that 1. The Celestials was obviously far more durable then you originally thought, because you were unaware of the ability Vibranium had. 2. Ignoring the point regarding Franklins power in that universe, while again ignoring that for eons Galactus have been the one holding the Celestial population in check, or are you still ignoring that? 3. Which is relevant beyond the part that it allowed him to access his powers to transform into Galactus why?
Dude the shield is MAJORITY ADAMANTIUM with Vibranium mixed in. Pure Vibranium is nowhere near as durable as Adamantium.
So no your comparison fails, yet again. Your only showing of Celestials vs Galactus is from an alternate reality where neither was anything like 616 reality versions.
Hell during Marvel : The End, Galactus was shocked that Thanos destroyed a Celestial.
I have already explained once why Galactus was converted into energy, to prevent him from reforming, but I suppose that once again it was a point that was overlooked or disregarded because it didn't suit your fictional image. Galactus have, going by the most recent encounter where he has been damaged, bleed energy, which points to what is generally known and the way Galactus is generally portrayed, as a being that encases himself in armor in order to maintain control of his energies.
I disregarded nothing. HE COULD NOT REFORM HIMSELF, that was the whole point. And Galactus physiology is as inconsistent as his showings. Tyrant made him bleed and in that very Abraxus arc his SKULL was thrown to Earth no?
So now the feat of Franklin reconstruction himself is no longer in effect? I was actually making a clear point, earlier in this discussion as to why I brought it up and why I had a discussion with DarkOdin in the first place. Galactus from the 616 reality is, based on the Abraxas encounter and the statements therein, the strongest of the multiple Galactus in the various other universes (discounting Galactus Engine for a second), following that line of thought, it is further logical to assume that if Galactus from another Universe is capable of atleast holding the Celestial population in check, then Galactus from the 616 reality will have a good shot at killing or defeating atleast one Celestial on his own. Which is far more then Odin in the Destroyer Armor managed to accomplish, which was my original point. Hell I could have taken the easy road, and said that the Celestials have a on panel shown weakness to beings that are capable of manipulating Hyperspace, a ability that is very well within Galactus own powerset.
No it's not valid and I only brought it up because you were using a ridiculous example of your own. Alternate reality Celestials that are NOTHING like 616 versions? Check! Alternate Galactus that's not even really Galactus? Check! The replacement Galactus was an adult Franklin? Check!
It's entirely unrelevant, Galactus "fear" when he attends the coalitions against beings such as Thanos with IG/HOTU, Magus with CCU etc. is always the safety of (as he likes to call it) his reality, the threat from himself as BC Galactus was (going by what was shown on panel) rather insignificant in comparison with the threat from the others.
Yet he still shxt his pants when the BC rose. Go cry to Marvel because I don't want to hear it. It's on panel and not an alternate reality version of either being (the BC or Galactus).
I asked you this before, I can ask you this again, where did the comic mention that Galactus from being in the 616 reality received a amp?And how funny I mean really, you can only see what the IB did as impressive the fact that Galactus while weakened was fighting a fine IB, and getting in the most blows, still ascribe IB's showing as being the best?
Galactus : "Each of us are near omnipotent in our own realms, and we are in mine!"
Galactus with home field advantage + Elders + Heralds + Reed/Sue vs IB and they still didn't win! They had to unleash his masters on him.
Yes? I have already said exactly what enabled him to do so, it's not something that makes his power skyrocket into LT level, unless ofcause you have another view on the words IB used, then by all means... What if they hadn't drifted into the black hole, the IB was (if we go by your own words) obviously looking for a advantage against a weakened Galactus, and furthermore what makes you say that Galactus was losing? And tbh, based on, in how low regards you hold a weakened Galactus it's rather pathetic that IB had to look for a advantage to beat him isn't it, or is it merely a showing of IB not being half as strong as you would like him to be?
Not really, it was stated they were each others opposite/equal. That's why the IB couldn't summon an anti-Galactus. The difference is Galactus weakens because of hunger while the IB doesn't.
I'll consider making a thread then, but it should be obvious that when Chaos and Order operates below Eternity, then Eternity will deal with IB as effortless as they did.
Death operates above Order/Chaos and we all see how that turned out. Anomaly operates below Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion and we all saw him laugh off an IG blast to the face. Both times the IB has been undone it was because of his makers.
I have above, and before I believe, specified why I deemed the use of a alternate Galactus usable in this discussion, can you say the same for the Franklin incident?
Yes you deemed to use this horrible example of alternate reality versions of beings who are nothing like their 616 counter parts out of desperation. I understand its ok.
If a child runs into you while your holding your hand stretched out infront of you with a egg on top, don't you think it's a plausible scenario that you will then drop that egg? It's true that Reed repaired the multiverse, but what is untrue is you portraying it in a way to show it as a feat beyond Galactus control, because I would be most interested in hearing what points to that, because as said before Galactus have shown the single handed best utilization of the UN. So now snatching the UN from Abraxas a feat that two Celestials levels being couldn't accomplish is a bad feat? And please don't say "they where only children", because it was obviously a feat for them previously when they ressed Galactus to be only children, or was that because it helped your fictional world image in regards to Galactus?I agree, recalling the ultimate nullifier in a attack that made Abraxas cry out in pain, holding his ground against Galactus which no other alternate Galactus had shown capable of doing, Oneshotting 7+ heralds in a AoE Blast that only struck them, depleting two Celestial level beings just to be reconstructed, two beings that could on their own do nothing to Abraxas. So Yeah a good showing from Galactus.
Did the children even know to try to steal the UN from Abraxus? They just got through snatching him (Galactus) from the heart of Eternity/Infinity and then their dad saves the day.
Galactus made Abraxus cry out in pain? What issue were you reading? Because I recall it was just shock that Galactus could snatch the UN away from him. Then Galactus mentioned that it was a part of him or something. Then Nova shxt rocks Galactus and he loses it. Nice contribution Galactus 😆
Originally posted by zopzop
Dude the shield is MAJORITY ADAMANTIUM with Vibranium mixed in. Pure Vibranium is nowhere near as durable as Adamantium.
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I don't read Cap and even I know that his shield is composed mostly of VIBRANIUM.
Adamantium is an attempt to unsuccessfully recreate the alloys in Cap's shield, which again, is constructed of vibranium.
In other words, vibranium>>adamantium.
Fail, man.
