Galactus runs the gauntlet

There you with the In-Betweener fight again.

How about you address this properly?

Originally posted by galactusischere
The In-Betweener couldn't even defeat a weakened Galactus who had just come out of a coma in Silver Surfer volume 3. In fact, Galactus essentially won that fight due to his heralds who are actually extensions of his Power Cosmic. Hell, In-Betweener had trouble dealing with only one of Galactus' punisher robots. lol.
http://img9.imageshack.us/i/punisherrobot1.jpg/
http://img338.imageshack.us/i/punisherrobot2.jpg/

The In-Betweener would be one-shotted by a fed Galactus. Galactus has got the better feats, the better showings, and has actually made Thanos beg for mercy. The In-Betweener had his gem stolen from him when he confronted Thanos. He's weak sauce.

And no to Franklin being more powerful than Galactus. He and his sister had to burn out their powers just to 'resurrect' Galactus in the Abraxas saga. Franklin's weak sauce too.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Could someone explain to be why classic beyonder isn't at the top of the list?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
There you with the In-Betweener fight again.

How about you address this properly?

The IB didn't have 'trouble' with the robot. At that time that's how he fought. Analyzed the being then destroyed it by summoning it's opposite.

The In-Betweener would be one-shotted by a fed Galactus. Galactus has got the better feats, the better showings, and has actually made Thanos beg for mercy. The In-Betweener had his gem stolen from him when he confronted Thanos. He's weak sauce.

"Fed" Galactus would have his ass handed to him by the IB just the same. Soon or later, he'd get hungry again and that's the end of him. There's no way in hell he's one shotting someone who made Death his bxxch.

Genius, the freaking IB was in a place where his powers DIDN'T work! That was his punishment for trying to wreck things and ignore the will of his creators : Order/Chaos. Thanos would have been crushed by the IB.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And no to Franklin being more powerful than Galactus. He and his sister had to burn out their powers just to 'resurrect' Galactus in the Abraxas saga. Franklin's weak sauce too.

CHILDREN rezzed Galactus. CHILDREN! At full potential Franklin would sneeze and Galactus would be nothing but a memory.

in a recent ff story, galactus feared a confrontation with franklin

franklin isn't weak

very very powerful

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
because all his feats were retcon

Originally posted by zopzop
Why add all that. Teneberous and Aegis OWNED Galactus. They don't need help from 15 Celestials.

Because DarkOdin presented the idea that Galactus from the 616 reality was stronger, I merely asked if he really thought Galactus would stand a chance if we changed the combatents a bit around.

And yes Tenebrous and Aegis defeated a Unprepared and caught off guard Galactus, with Galactus and Tenebrous matching each other. That was hardly owning anything.

Originally posted by zopzop
A) It was an alternate reality. Those Celestials had ghetto Vibranium shells and reproduced by laying Celestial eggs in a planets core. Nothing like 616 Celestials.

B) Galactus isn't in the same league power wise with Franklin. Franklin was SEVEN or so years old at the time of the Galactus/IB fight. Galactus "hurt" the IB but the IB was about to beat his ass till Surfer/Nova/Elders interfered.

Again where was it stated? And even if that was the case it would have made it significantly easier for the heroes to do anything about the Celestials, but they still failed.

Franklin that is said, no matter how you try to spin it, to rival a Celestial in power, we have a confirmation from a Celestial regarding that. Galactus, imo, at the very least operate on a level of a Celestial.

Oh you mean the IB had to draw a weakened Galactus into a black hole in order to gain a significant advantage over him, Galactus that is said to blow up Black holes if he enters them, a small mistake on the writers part that the battle was even fought there.

So now it's Galactus that "hurt" the IB even though we actually have on panel confirmation that the IB was bleeding from Galactus attacks, and it was Franklin that could hurt the IB even though all we have is a seven year old child statement. So now the statement means more then what actually happened on panel...

Originally posted by zopzop
CHILDREN rezzed Galactus. CHILDREN! At full potential Franklin would sneeze and Galactus would be nothing but a memory.

Franklin and Valerie reconstructed Galactus, some difference from bringing him back from the dead (which Galactus btw is fully capable of doing himself, why do you think they had to use the energy converter on him in the first place?) And lets recall the context. Franklin and Valerie burned away all their power in the process.

Galactus wins against anyone who isn't LT and Pre-Retcon Beyounder. But he'd stomp a post-retcon beyounder.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Again where was it stated? And even if that was the case it would have made it significantly easier for the heroes to do anything about the Celestials, but they still failed.

Franklin that is said, no matter how you try to spin it, to rival a Celestial in power, we have a confirmation from a Celestial regarding that. Galactus, imo, at the very least operate on a level of a Celestial.

Oh you mean the IB had to draw a weakened Galactus into a black hole in order to gain a significant advantage over him, Galactus that is said to blow up Black holes if he enters them, a small mistake on the writers part that the battle was even fought there.

So now it's Galactus that "hurt" the IB even though we actually have on panel confirmation that the IB was bleeding from Galactus attacks, and it was Franklin that could hurt the IB even though all we have is a seven year old child statement. So now the statement means more then what actually happened on panel...

Franklin and Valerie reconstructed Galactus, some difference from bringing him back from the dead (which Galactus btw is fully capable of doing himself, why do you think they had to use the energy converter on him in the first place?) And lets recall the context. Franklin and Valerie burned away all their power in the process.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Because DarkOdin presented the idea that Galactus from the 616 reality was stronger, I merely asked if he really thought Galactus would stand a chance if we changed the combatents a bit around.

And yes Tenebrous and Aegis defeated a Unprepared and caught off guard Galactus, with Galactus and Tenebrous matching each other. That was hardly owning anything.

Teneberous and Galactus were going toe to toe and Galactus was all busted up.

Then Aegis jumps in and it's lights out Galactus. It didn't look like Teneberous needed help at all. As the fight progressed Galactus would weaken like he usually does and then he'd die.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Again where was it stated? And even if that was the case it would have made it significantly easier for the heroes to do anything about the Celestials, but they still failed.

Franklin that is said, no matter how you try to spin it, to rival a Celestial in power, we have a confirmation from a Celestial regarding that. Galactus, imo, at the very least operate on a level of a Celestial.

BS and you know it. Otherwise he'd never get humiliated the way he does consistently. When Tiamut awoke from it's slumber Galactus was many lightyears away yet he trembled in fear. He acted in shock when Thanos with the HotI blew a Celestial up (keep that in mind when you consider how many times Galactus has been killed).

Those Celesitals weren't anything like 616 Celestials and Galactus is no adult Franklin. Not by a longshot.

Oh you mean the IB had to draw a weakened Galactus into a black hole in order to gain a significant advantage over him, Galactus that is said to blow up Black holes if he enters them, a small mistake on the writers part that the battle was even fought there.

So now it's Galactus that "hurt" the IB even though we actually have on panel confirmation that the IB was bleeding from Galactus attacks, and it was Franklin that could hurt the IB even though all we have is a seven year old child statement. So now the statement means more then what actually happened on panel...

The IB was stalemating Galactus in Galactus' homeplane! As the battle drew closer to the black hole, Galactus knew the jig was up. The Elders and Heralds saved his ass. It was basically IB vs Galactus, All the Elders, and two of Galactus' heralds. And this was after he made Death do his bidding against her will! Not bad.

And of course he'd bleed. He represents ALL dichotomies among them god/man.

Franklin and Valerie reconstructed Galactus, some difference from bringing him back from the dead (which Galactus btw is fully capable of doing himself, why do you think they had to use the energy converter on him in the first place?) And lets recall the context. Franklin and Valerie burned away all their power in the process.

Two CHILDREN, not at their full potential, resurrect the universal jobber but burn themselves out in the process. That's a good showing for them and yet another humiliating showing for Galactus.

They literally plucked him, by force, from Eternity/Infinity.

Originally posted by zopzop
BS and you know it. Otherwise he'd never get humiliated the way he does consistently. When Tiamut awoke from it's slumber Galactus was many lightyears away yet he trembled in fear. He acted in shock when Thanos with the HotI blew a Celestial up (keep that in mind when you consider how many times Galactus has been killed).

Those Celesitals weren't anything like 616 Celestials and Galactus is no adult Franklin. Not by a longshot.

Vibranium scan? still waiting. When Tiamut awoke he said that at his current powerlevel he could destroy the majority of our Solar system, Galactus on his dead bed wiped clean a galaxy (atleast three solar systems destroyed on panel) that is one major difference. Galactus wasn't trembling in fear, stop trying to take things out of their given context, Galactus remembered what it was to be afraid that is also I difference. I find it rather funny that you call PIS on the opposite but doesn't, at all, find it strange that Galactus, who has engaged far more powerful beings then the weakened dreaming Celestial, was "trembling" in fear. I will, Galactus have been killed once by Magus with five cosmic cubes and then turned into energy, if there are other times where Galactus have died please enlighten me. What Franklin is and isn't is of no concern in the given story. The Celestials encounter a being that can defeat them, they don't find that Odd, the only logical explanation to why the Celestials doesn't find it strange is because that is a powerlevel they are used to seeing Galactus from their universe operating on.

Originally posted by zopzop
The IB was stalemating Galactus in Galactus' homeplane! As the battle drew closer to the black hole, Galactus knew the jig was up. The Elders and Heralds saved his ass. It was basically IB vs Galactus, All the Elders, and two of Galactus' heralds. And this was after he made Death do his bidding against her will! Not bad.

And of course he'd bleed. He represents ALL dichotomies among them god/man.

Galactus got IIRC far more punches and attacks in then IB and please remember that the IB only managed to get a upper hand when a weakened Galactus was placed where IB was at his absolute strongest. I'm sorry, why is it impressive that this is after he summoned the opposite of the elders (naturally Death)? I thought you said the IB would always win because he unlike Galactus didn't lose power...

That didn't in any way address my question, is the believing to have the power to be capable of hurting someone a greater showing then actually doing it? In your opinion that is obviously the case.

Originally posted by zopzop
Two CHILDREN, not at their full potential, resurrect the universal jobber but burn themselves out in the process. That's a good showing for them and yet another humiliating showing for Galactus.

They literally plucked him, by force, from Eternity/Infinity.

Franklin and Valerie reconstructed Galactus, there is one major difference between reconstruction something and then resurrecting something. How exactly is it a humiliating showing for Galactus? The way he was converted into energy was done with the exact purpose to prevent him from reviving himself as all knew he could if he gained enough time, please give me the slightest indication of Franklin having the power to ressurrect himself when killed.

No they didn't, they called him back unless Franklin now suddenly has grown more powerful then Eternity and Infinity (that iirc defeated a incomplete IG) combined...

Originally posted by zopzop
Teneberous and Galactus were going toe to toe and Galactus was all busted up.

Then Aegis jumps in and it's lights out Galactus. It didn't look like Teneberous needed help at all. As the fight progressed Galactus would weaken like he usually does and then he'd die.

Tenebrous didn't look like he was having a easy glide either, and that doesn't change the fact that in the battle Galactus was "caught offguard and unprepared", neither does it change anything concerning the question I addressed to DarkOdin.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I thought blocks were still on Franklin which is why he burned out. Feel free to correct I could be remembering wrong.

IIRC the blocks didn't play a role in Franklin burning out (atleast I don't recall anything mentioned regarding the blocks), Franklin (along with Valerie) simply ran out of power reconstructing Galactus. I recall it being said that as a result of the multiverse being reset Franklin had his power restored, but locked away under the blocks.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Vibranium scan? still waiting. When Tiamut awoke he said that at his current powerlevel he could destroy the majority of our Solar system, Galactus on his dead bed wiped clean a galaxy (atleast three solar systems destroyed on panel) that is one major difference. Galactus wasn't trembling in fear, stop trying to take things out of their given context, Galactus remembered what it was to be afraid that is also I difference. I find it rather funny that you call PIS on the opposite but doesn't, at all, find it strange that Galactus, who has engaged far more powerful beings then the weakened dreaming Celestial, was "trembling" in fear. I will, Galactus have been killed once by Magus with five cosmic cubes and then turned into energy, if there are other times where Galactus have died please enlighten me. What Franklin is and isn't is of no concern in the given story. The Celestials encounter a being that can defeat them, they don't find that Odd, the only logical explanation to why the Celestials doesn't find it strange is because that is a powerlevel they are used to seeing Galactus from their universe operating on.

You want a scan stating that the Celestials of Universe/Earth/Mutant X were encased in Vibranium and reproduced by using eggs deposited in the planets core?

Numerous Galacti were killed by Abraxus. Galactus was near death when he tried to eat the Elders and needed Order/Chaos to save him. Galactus was also near death on Earth a while back and was saved by Reed. It's happened more times than this too. But I can't recall them all.

I don't find it odd because a) it's an alternate reality where Galactus wasn't Galactus, b) the Celestials were NOTHING like 616 Celestials and c) that was an ADULT Franklin.

And face it, on panel, even though he was light years away he knew fear.

Galactus got IIRC far more punches and attacks in then IB and please remember that the IB only managed to get a upper hand when a weakened Galactus was placed where IB was at his absolute strongest. I'm sorry, why is it impressive that this is after he summoned the opposite of the elders (naturally Death)? I thought you said the IB would always win because he unlike Galactus didn't lose power...

That didn't in any way address my question, is the believing to have the power to be capable of hurting someone a greater showing then actually doing it? In your opinion that is obviously the case.

The IB/Galactus fight took place in 616 universe, Galactus' homeplane! The fight never made it to the black hole without the Elders/Heralds stepping in and messing things up.

The IB doesn't lose power. They were sucked back into the Magic Universe where Order/Chaos, his masters, beat him.

Dude Death isn't the opposite of the Elders. Death had a deal with them and IB summoned her and FORCED her to take them.

Franklin and Valerie reconstructed Galactus, there is one major difference between reconstruction something and then resurrecting something. How exactly is it a humiliating showing for Galactus? The way he was converted into energy was done with the exact purpose to prevent him from reviving himself as all knew he could if he gained enough time, please give me the slightest indication of Franklin having the power to ressurrect himself when killed.

No they didn't, they called him back unless Franklin now suddenly has grown more powerful then Eternity and Infinity (that iirc defeated a incomplete IG) combined...

Check the Days of Future Present storyline. His body is destroyed by a sentinel, he travels back from an alternate future to 616 reality, reconstructs himself and wrecks havoc.

It's humiliating because yet again Galactus has to be saved by someone, in this case CHILDREN not even at their full potential.

Utrigita is kicking ass

PS here's the Vibranium scan. Notice other differences between 616 and the Earth/Universe/Mutant X Celestials.

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/a/a6/Celestials_%28Earth-9997%29.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
You want a scan stating that the Celestials of Universe/Earth/Mutant X were encased in Vibranium and reproduced by using eggs deposited in the planets core?

No only the Vibranium part since I don't recall it, granted it's been years since I read it, on a side note, isn't Vibranium what makes up the majority of Captain America's shield? If that is the case I'll hardly call it weak, since iirc, it's from Vibranium that you create Adamantium.

Originally posted by zopzop
Numerous Galacti were killed by Abraxus. Galactus was near death when he tried to eat the Elders and needed Order/Chaos to save him. Galactus was also near death on Earth a while back and was saved by Reed. It's happened more times than this too. But I can't recall them all.

Oh so we isn't restricting it too 616 Galactus my bad. He actually succeeded in eating the elders (rather easily I might add) he just hadn't counted on them reforming inside (lol) his stomach. You mean the time where Galactus suddenly choosed (like he always does on earth for some strange reason) to employ his elementary converter while he was weakened as a result of Terrax meddling, yes that doesn't stink to high heaven of PIS... So Galactus have been close to death, but the question was how many times Galactus have died and of those you listed not a single one means that Galactus died as a result. So we are back at the Magus incident and the Abraxas Saga, please refresh my memory beyond those two times.

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't find it odd because a) it's an alternate reality where Galactus wasn't Galactus, b) the Celestials were NOTHING like 616 Celestials and c) that was an ADULT Franklin.

A Alternate Universe where it was stated that the Celestials was afraid of the mutants because when the mutants evolve they would become a threat to the Celestials (hence why the mindlocked the "gods"😉. Franklin is a prime example of that fear because, by believing he was Galactus he became Galactus. It's really that simple, and I stress again, did the Celestials react differently to the Franklin Galactus then they else would have? No. Why? Because that Franklin Galactus displayed exactly the same powers and abilities as the real Galactus, which means that the Celestials is familiar with Galactus having the power to defeat them in combat, I'll mention it again, before Franklin it was the real Galactus that was devouring the planets. You keep acting like Adult Franklin is God given mortal form. Lets recall on one thing shall we? Adult Franklin was iirc killed in his reality by one Omega Sentinel, would Galactus have been beaten by one Omega Sentinel?

Originally posted by zopzop
And face it, on panel, even though he was light years away he knew fear.

I'm merely highlighting a strange occurance, which is that the awakening of the Dreaming Celestial apparently was a bigger threat then the IG etc, in which Galactus didn't show fear. And again let me highlight the actual on panel power comparison, Tiamut said that his current powerlevel weakened allowed him to still wipe out a large part of the Solar System, something Galactus on his dead bed overdid. But again I'm forgetting that the statement concerning what you can do is more important then what was done.

Originally posted by zopzop
The IB/Galactus fight took place in 616 universe, Galactus' homeplane! The fight never made it to the black hole without the Elders/Heralds stepping in and messing things up.

Would you please point me to a place where it is stated that being in the 616 reality amplifies Galactus powerlevel? Because I don't recall such a incident at all.

Originally posted by zopzop
The IB doesn't lose power. They were sucked back into the Magic Universe where Order/Chaos, his masters, beat him.

So why was it then important to stress that the battle between Galactus happened after the he had summoned Death?

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude Death isn't the opposite of the Elders. Death had a deal with them and IB summoned her and FORCED her to take them.

I'm sorry, but last time I checked the elders are immortals because of that very deal Grandmaster tricked Death into making with them. A opposite of being immortal is obvious to be mortal, and the only being that could make the Elders mortal again was Death, since it was her that barred their way to her realm in the first place. If the Inbetweener is as powerful as you make him out to be, why didn't he kill the elders himself then? Fact is that he couldn't but Death their opposite could, hence his special power came into effect.

Originally posted by zopzop
Check the Days of Future Present storyline. His body is destroyed by a sentinel, he travels back from an alternate future to 616 reality, reconstructs himself and wrecks havoc.

I don't recall him reconstructing himself, but rather that he made the trip to the present and helped the present Franklin block his powers and then going back, fathering Hyperstorm with Rachel and then dying to the omega Sentinel, but before doing so he had sent a mental projection of himself back through time that was then feasting on the energies of the present Franklin and Rachel to substain itself but realises that doing so will kill them in the long run and stops the drain thus killing himself. Anyways this point to the point I have stressed throughout the entire debate, Franklin certainly have a awesome power, but in the end his durability is nothing fantastic.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's humiliating because yet again Galactus has to be saved by someone, in this case CHILDREN not even at their full potential.

So your now saying that the Children that is operating on a level close or equal to the Celestials are weak because they were the only one that could reconstruct Galactus, Galactus from the 616 being the only being that could stand up to Abraxas? It's if anything a good showing from Galactus that both Franklin and Valeries power combined, was required to reconstruct him, because they (Franklin and Valerie) were incapable of doing anything towards Abraxas, else why go through the problems of bringing Galactus back? Oh right PIS, sorry for stealing your comment.