Ryu vs Jin

in act it was done , just search it.And jin lost .
Ryu is far more experienced than jin , jin was still a kid and ryu was already a world champion .Ryu has mor experience than jin.I saw jins powers very well , if both of them are in their devil/evil powers their firepower should be the same since both of them blew mountains with ease(poor earth 😇 ) , in terms of speed i think ryu would handle this one , in tekken jin was shot by heihachi if i am not mistaken , although jin wasnt focused because of his fight against the ogre he saw heihachi before he shot is.When ryu was distracted he was still able to hit a guy 3 times before he could even think to pull the trigger.
Strengh:If we are talking normal ryu and normal jin , both in human powers i give this one to ryu , you can easily say that ryus body structure is far more complete than jins at least in tekken 4.In technichies terms ryu would win again , ryus ansatsuken is far more powerfull than any normal martial arts , jins karate is strong, damn strong , his punchs pierce steel , but ryus ansatsuken could pierce the sould,body and mind .
in my opnion ryu wins , but i can say that it wouldnt be so easy , bot of them are similar in many aspects .

could you link the thread where this has been done before?

Originally posted by Hoshi
in act it was done , just search it.And jin lost .
Ryu is far more experienced than jin , jin was still a kid and ryu was already a world champion .Ryu has mor experience than jin.I saw jins powers very well , if both of them are in their devil/evil powers their firepower should be the same since both of them blew mountains with ease(poor earth 😇 ) , in terms of speed i think ryu would handle this one , in tekken jin was shot by heihachi if i am not mistaken , although jin wasnt focused because of his fight against the ogre he saw heihachi before he shot is.When ryu was distracted he was still able to hit a guy 3 times before he could even think to pull the trigger.
Strengh:If we are talking normal ryu and normal jin , both in human powers i give this one to ryu , you can easily say that ryus body structure is far more complete than jins at least in tekken 4.In technichies terms ryu would win again , ryus ansatsuken is far more powerfull than any normal martial arts , jins karate is strong, damn strong , his punchs pierce steel , but ryus ansatsuken could pierce the sould,body and mind .
in my opnion ryu wins , but i can say that it wouldnt be so easy , bot of them are similar in many aspects .

Firstly I wanna thank you for admitting that Jin is simmilar with Ryu in many aspects, because some people couldn't admit it.

In Devil form Jin is superior than Ryu(if you saw his ending movie from tekken5 you should know why), but in this fight Jin isn't in his devil form.

After fight with Ogre Jin was shot from the BACK by tekken force with many machineguns(doubt that even Ryu could dodge that), and only then Heihachi shot him in the head. If Jin was ready he would've killed all of them. I can prove it. When Tekken force attacked Kazuya(nearly 10 trained and armed soldiers), he killed all of them with his bair hands, Jin could do that either.

BTW Jins hits hurt not only body either, even not in Devil form Mishimas posses somekind of mistiqal energy. According to game Jin's WEAKEST punches are capable of breaking through meter thik walls. So i doubt Ryu hits harder.

And i do belive Jin is more durable than Ryu.

In case someone hasn't seen this intro from Tekken 5.

http://www.youtube.com/player.swf?video_id=T4hYJPhCX0o

Interesting moment. Father and son who hated eachother for all their lifes fight as a team.

But soundtrack sucks.🙁 It's not from the game.

The problem is that their feats are too vague to really tell you who would win. I don't really see any evidence to suggest who would actually win.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
The problem is that their feats are too vague to really tell you who would win. I don't really see any evidence to suggest who would actually win.

If Jin in his devil form then he wins no doubt.

Thing is Evil Ryu's Shungokusatsu alone would destroy Devil Jin, and then some.. So I will make my post in regards of their normal/non-killer instict counterparts. Also in terms of physicality I put them on equal terms. Jin is young and Ryu is at his physical prime. He is not in his early 50s/late 70s like Kazuya/Heihachi.

I agree about Jin and Ryu being similar.

However I give the experience/technique to Ryu. He has mastered ansatsuken while Jin traded Mishima Ryu for Karate. Forgetting all about Mishima and adopting the classic Karate. Impressive nevertheless, but it should be proof enough to show which one has more technique/mastery over their respective arts.

Not to mention if we go for ofense/defense Ryu will clearly have an advantage over Jin.

The Hadou-ken is an insanely effective ofensive technique that can take out most opponents(when not in a game fight) and can hold them back as well if they manage to stand up to them. Granted Hadou-ken alone will not take out Jin. However it can prove to be more than annoyance to him. Then you have Ryu's Shinkuu-Hadouken which is 3 times as powerful as the normal HKs. Even Jin will need more than his prayers to stand up to that; however...he might.

The ShoRyuKen can either be used for an attack as well as as a defensive technique and it's really powerful; however not to the level of Ken's--his rival.

The Tatsumaki-Sempukyaku can also grant him a clear advantage in case Ryu needs to get some distance between both of them.

Jin will prove a worthy fight, but I believe Ryu will end up schooling him hard. Then Jin might try to get Ryu to teach him his ways etc etc etc.

Jin might punch through meter thick walls, but what good will that do to him when he is fighting someone that can dodge bullets? Granted he is not Superman, but he does to a certain level which is a showcase to how fast Ryu is. Proof of this can be found in the Street Fighter Alpha animation movie(not generations) By the way just because Jin is apparently immortal(Taking headshots and living) does not mean he cannot be knocked out.

People are taking things into the extreme again... I am a fan and heavy duty player of many fighting game franchises (including Tekken and Street Fighter)

I beleive that Ryu would win in most encounters simply because, for all the power than Jin's Mishima bloodline has instilled within him, Ryu has earned that much power and more. Plus Jin is still young, hasn't had as much time to train and focus on the actual battle, he merely wants to destroy his relatives to restore peace.

Now I wholeheartedly admit that these two characters share many similarities and not just in fighting styles, they have both been struck with tragedy early in their lives, In Jin's case, he lost his mother to Ogre, in Ryu's case, his master (And father figure) was slain by Akuma.

But there are also many differences, the types of powers involved are radical, but very different. In the SF universe, Chi almost anyone can learn to use chi as energy blasts, some gain access to vast quantities of it (Akuma, Bison, Gill, Oro among many others) And those that have nearly no energy attacks (Balrog, Birdie R.Mika)

In the Tekken-verse, Energy manipulation is much much more rare, and when you do see it, it can be devastating. but even so, the feats you see as a result of this are only as impressive as a mid tier SF feat.

My conclusion is simple, Ryu has more experience, he has far better control of his Chi than Jin does, he can perform more powerful techniques than Jin, and he is not distracted from the fight like Jin has been.

Conclusion = Ryu will win, but will want Jin to become stronger and challenge him again when he is ready

Well said.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Thing is Evil Ryu's Shungokusatsu alone would destroy Devil Jin, and then some.. So I will make my post in regards of their normal/non-killer instict counterparts. Also in terms of physicality I put them on equal terms. Jin is young and Ryu is at his physical prime. He is not in his early 50s/late 70s like Kazuya/Heihachi.

I agree about Jin and Ryu being similar.

However I give the experience/technique to Ryu. He has mastered ansatsuken while Jin traded Mishima Ryu for Karate. Forgetting all about Mishima and adopting the classic Karate. Impressive nevertheless, but it should be proof enough to show which one has more technique/mastery over their respective arts.

Not to mention if we go for ofense/defense Ryu will clearly have an advantage over Jin.

The Hadou-ken is an insanely effective ofensive technique that can take out most opponents(when not in a game fight) and can hold them back as well if they manage to stand up to them. Granted Hadou-ken alone will not take out Jin. However it can prove to be more than annoyance to him. Then you have Ryu's Shinkuu-Hadouken which is 3 times as powerful as the normal HKs. Even Jin will need more than his prayers to stand up to that; however...he might.

The ShoRyuKen can either be used for an attack as well as as a defensive technique and it's really powerful; however not to the level of Ken's--his rival.

The Tatsumaki-Sempukyaku can also grant him a clear advantage in case Ryu needs to get some distance between both of them.

Jin will prove a worthy fight, but I believe Ryu will end up schooling him hard. Then Jin might try to get Ryu to teach him his ways etc etc etc.

Shungokusatsu wouldn't destroy devil jin. In his devil form he becomes very powerful. Remember he destroyed all surrounding by simply moving his wings?(in tekken 5)

BTW i belive Jin also could dodge bullets. Not like he did before, but Kazuya did and they are equel in many aspects.
Yes Jin could be KOed but Ryu either. And both of them have very strong will power. So i think it would be a very long fight before someone would be knocked out.

facts about the Shungokusatsu

Goutetsu stated to have described it as 'forbidden',
but he did teach the first step to it (satsu no hadou). Likely, it was
forbidden because it endangered the user as well.

What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The
demons in hell will attack the person even if they're sin free or not.
They're demons, they'll go at anything. But with evil characters, their
past sins will also haunt on top of the demons attacking them for that
split second. Gen survives this because he empties his spirit, heart and
mind. "Onore wo mu ni suru". "Mu" means emptiness, nothingness. One of the
reasons why Gouken has the kanji "Mu" on his back. It's really not about
how strong the person is but how tuned and focused they are with their mind
and soul.

The user is in danger during the Shun Goku Satsu, too, if he isn't
prepared. Both the user and the target go to hell. Canonwise, Ryu and
Sakura have never done the Shun Goku Satsu.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
People are taking things into the extreme again... I am a fan and heavy duty player of many fighting game franchises (including Tekken and Street Fighter)

I beleive that Ryu would win in most encounters simply because, for all the power than Jin's Mishima bloodline has instilled within him, Ryu has earned that much power and more. Plus Jin is still young, hasn't had as much time to train and focus on the actual battle, he merely wants to destroy his relatives to restore peace.

Now I wholeheartedly admit that these two characters share many similarities and not just in fighting styles, they have both been struck with tragedy early in their lives, In Jin's case, he lost his mother to Ogre, in Ryu's case, his master (And father figure) was slain by Akuma.

But there are also many differences, the types of powers involved are radical, but very different. In the SF universe, Chi almost anyone can learn to use chi as energy blasts, some gain access to vast quantities of it (Akuma, Bison, Gill, Oro among many others) And those that have nearly no energy attacks (Balrog, Birdie R.Mika)

In the Tekken-verse, Energy manipulation is much much more rare, and when you do see it, it can be devastating. but even so, the feats you see as a result of this are only as impressive as a mid tier SF feat.

My conclusion is simple, Ryu has more experience, he has far better control of his Chi than Jin does, he can perform more powerful techniques than Jin, and he is not distracted from the fight like Jin has been.

Conclusion = Ryu will win, but will want Jin to become stronger and challenge him again when he is ready

True well said.

Almost all Tekken characters has abilities to manipulate energy. Not as good as SF characters, thats true.
But in case of the Mishimas gotta disagree with you.
Look at Heihachi, many his attacks are based on his chi energy. And they are impressive even compareing to SF universe.

Originally posted by unrealman
facts about the Shungokusatsu

Goutetsu stated to have described it as 'forbidden',
but he did teach the first step to it (satsu no hadou). Likely, it was
forbidden because it endangered the user as well.

What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The
demons in hell will attack the person even if they're sin free or not.
They're demons, they'll go at anything. But with evil characters, their
past sins will also haunt on top of the demons attacking them for that
split second. Gen survives this because he empties his spirit, heart and
mind. "Onore wo mu ni suru". "Mu" means emptiness, nothingness. One of the
reasons why Gouken has the kanji "Mu" on his back. It's really not about
how strong the person is but how tuned and focused they are with their mind
and soul.

The user is in danger during the Shun Goku Satsu, too, if he isn't
prepared. Both the user and the target go to hell. Canonwise, Ryu and
Sakura have never done the Shun Goku Satsu.

Still doubt it would work on Devil Jin, I mean he's the Devil himself.

with regards to tekken-verse not being on par with SF simply over energy manipulation.. I find that completely rediculous... that would be like saying soul caliburs can kill ryu because swords mean nothing in their world... just because it doesnt exist or is highly regarded in another universe does not mean it scales equally into the original 'verse'

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
with regards to tekken-verse not being on par with SF simply over energy manipulation.. I find that completely rediculous... that would be like saying soul caliburs can kill ryu because swords mean nothing in their world... just because it doesnt exist or is highly regarded in another universe does not mean it scales equally into the original 'verse'

Mishima's energy manipulation IS on par with SF character and that's without Devil Gene. When in Devil form Jin or Kazuya surpass everything SF characters have.

This energy, is it from an outside source or from themselves?

Originally posted by Gouki
This energy, is it from an outside source or from themselves?

When they are in their normal form this energy comes from themselfs, when in devil form energy comes from their devil genes.

Projectiles my man...

"When in Devil form Jin or Kazuya surpass everything SF characters have."

Unlikely.