Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Samshie if your actually taking Wikipedia info for Official material, then your further off the ball than I thought...
Then read what is said between levels of devil within.
Sheesh. You already realise that i'm right and that story happened but you don't want to accept it.
And you asked when Jin used TK.
In non-canon ending he destroyed Hwoarang's bike with it.
Besides he has the same powers as Kazuya. Kazuya used TK to knock out Heihachi before he fought Jin. And that was canon.
Originally posted by samishe
Then read what is said between levels of devil within.Sheesh. You already realise that i'm right and that story happened but you don't want to accept it.
And you asked when Jin used TK.
In non-canon ending he destroyed Hwoarang's bike with it.
Besides he has the same powers as Kazuya. Kazuya used TK to knock out Heihachi before he fought Jin. And that was canon.
Originally posted by samishe
Sheesh. You already realise that i'm right and that story happened but you don't want to accept it.
What in the bluest of blue hells are you smoking? I defeated Devil within AGES ago, there is nothing there that proves the story of it was canon... And now you have the rocks to say you know what I'm thinking... dude grow up, you havn't proven Devil within is official, and to make matters worse for your case, you tried to use Wiki as an official source.
Originally posted by samishe
And you asked when Jin used TK.
In non-canon ending he destroyed Hwoarang's bike with it.
Besides he has the same powers as Kazuya. Kazuya used TK to knock out Heihachi before he fought Jin. And that was canon.
I could easily argue the fact that Jin never actually used TK officially, I could also argue that neither case was actually TK.. But I think I'll let that go since it matters VERY liitle to the actual fight
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What in the bluest of blue hells are you smoking? I defeated Devil within AGES ago, there is nothing there that proves the story of it was canon... And now you have the rocks to say you know what I'm thinking... dude grow up, you havn't proven Devil within is official, and to make matters worse for your case, you tried to use Wiki as an official source.
How do you want me to prove it? You want me to make a phonecall to namco? Then sorry I can't do that.
Why do you think they didn't made Tekken Force Mode in Tekken5? Because they wanted to tell Jin's story. They wanted people to know what happened after that vision, when he saw Jun Kazama in Hon Maru.
I could easily argue the fact that Jin never actually used TK officially, I could also argue that neither case was actually TK.. But I think I'll let that go since it matters VERY liitle to the actual fight
You can't argue a sh!t.Kazuya used TK on Heihachi, you can't argue with that. Jin has the same devil powers as Kazuya, you can't argue with that too. And what fight are you talking about? You asked me to prove that Jin has TK, i did it. So accept it. In other words, grow up.
Little presentation of what Jin is capable as Devil.
Originally posted by samishe
Little presentation of what Jin is capable as Devil.
yipes! 🙁
Originally posted by samishe
Little presentation of what Jin is capable as Devil.
not very impressive , sorry if I looked like a fanboy right now, but I have seen ryu (normal one , not evil) doing things stronger like that , I know jin just swang his wings to do that , but even so I still consider ryu stronger .
Originally posted by samishe
Little presentation of what Jin is capable as Devil.
You said this is NORMAL JIN. So who gives a fawk about what JIN can do as a DEVIL? He has NEVER cannonically turned intot the F@CKING devil, so, throw all that "what if" sh#t out the window, until he does.
Samishe, it seems you're the only one (plus a couple of others) who thinks that Jin would defeat Ryu. I've read all the arguments, on BOTH threads, and kept my mouth shut. After reading the aruguments, I can say but JIN would lose to RYU. Ryu has way too much experience, and he still considers himself to be a student, Ryu wins.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
You said this is NORMAL JIN. So who gives a fawk about what JIN can do as a DEVIL? He has NEVER cannonically turned intot the F@CKING devil, so, throw all that "what if" sh#t out the window, until he does.
Samishe, it seems you're the only one (plus a couple of others) who thinks that Jin would defeat Ryu. I've read all the arguments, on BOTH threads, and kept my mouth shut. After reading the aruguments, I can say but JIN would lose to RYU. Ryu has way too much experience, and he still considers himself to be a student, Ryu wins.
I posted that link only because I was tired of hearing that Ryu surpas Devil Jin in firepower. And Devil jin is half as powerfull as the Devil.
So if i'm the only one who think that Jin wins it automatically means that i'm wrong? The only reason why bigger ammount of people support Ryu is because he is more popular than Jin. I've heard a lot of things about his experience and even about his sixth sense which i personally haven't noticed in anime.
And 2D, you shouldn't have kept your mouth shut, you should've instantly say your opinion so i could answer you. Not that you interupt in the middle of discussion and concider that your single post will change my opinion and that i will let this thread die because of it.
Originally posted by Hoshi
not very impressive , sorry if I looked like a fanboy right now, but I have seen ryu (normal one , not evil) doing things stronger like that , I know jin just swang his wings to do that , but even so I still consider ryu stronger .
I know that Ryu's Hadouken is far greater than anything normal Jin has. But this is h2h fight and Ryu usually uses hadoukens only to finish the fight because it takes him sometime to charge his attack, so Jin has a chance to defeat him before he used hadouken.
I posted that link only for those who don't now much about the Devil so they can see.
I dont think ryu would need to fire a hadouken to win a h2h fight , also , ryu only use his hadouken when he is out of the enemy range .If he was about to shoot a hadouken at jin he would do that when he is in a distance safe enough , that gives ryu the range advantage.Ryu normally doesnt use his hadouken to finish fights, he uses his hadouken when he is almost sure he will hit the target (in the great majority it is even harder to predict ryus hadouken than his punchs)
Originally posted by samishe
I posted that link only because I was tired of hearing that Ryu surpas Devil Jin in firepower. And Devil jin is half as powerfull as the Devil.
So if i'm the only one who think that Jin wins it automatically means that i'm wrong? The only reason why bigger ammount of people support Ryu is because he is more popular than Jin. I've heard a lot of things about his experience and even about his sixth sense which i personally haven't noticed in anime.
And 2D, you shouldn't have kept your mouth shut, you should've instantly say your opinion so i could answer you. Not that you interupt in the middle of discussion and concider that your single post will change my opinion and that i will let this thread die because of it.
Nah man, I didnt think I'd change your mind, surely not after nobody else has been able to. And I didnt think the post would die either. Just saying in terms of logical arugments, the Ryu advocates seem to be winning.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Nah man, I didnt think I'd change your mind, surely not after nobody else has been able to. And I didnt think the post would die either. Just saying in terms of logical arugments, the Ryu advocates seem to be winning.
Ok, so if you don't mind i'll keep protecting my opinion.
Originally posted by Hoshi
I dont think ryu would need to fire a hadouken to win a h2h fight , also , ryu only use his hadouken when he is out of the enemy range .If he was about to shoot a hadouken at jin he would do that when he is in a distance safe enough , that gives ryu the range advantage.Ryu normally doesnt use his hadouken to finish fights, he uses his hadouken when he is almost sure he will hit the target (in the great majority it is even harder to predict ryus hadouken than his punchs)
I have a question about Ryu's sixth sense, in the link Shin gave me i didn't noticed that Ryu has it. Firstly he could've been shot in the back but Chan Lee warned him in time. Then when Akuma appeared behind his back Ryu didn't knew he was standing there untill Chan lee told him.
Originally posted by samishe
I have a question about Ryu's sixth sense, in the link Shin gave me i didn't noticed that Ryu has it. Firstly he could've been shot in the back but Chan Lee warned him in time. Then when Akuma appeared behind his back Ryu didn't knew he was standing there untill Chan lee told him.
akuma is almost impossible to be noticed by anything than the eye itself , his presence, although almost deafening , it can be "almost invisible " if he wants. Probaly ryu would have kicked the armed guy even if chun li remained quiet.
Originally posted by samishe
How do you want me to prove it? You want me to make a phonecall to namco? Then sorry I can't do that.Why do you think they didn't made Tekken Force Mode in Tekken5? Because they wanted to tell Jin's story. They wanted people to know what happened after that vision, when he saw Jun Kazama in Hon Maru.
You've just killed your own argument right there... if it officially happened there, then Ogre was dead well before the battle of Hon Maru, if it was a vision or Nightmare, then it could easily have been exagerated, or like I said before, simply didn't happen, for example, Jin NEVER vought these Heihachi bots...
Originally posted by samishe
You can't argue a sh!t.Kazuya used TK on Heihachi, you can't argue with that. Jin has the same devil powers as Kazuya, you can't argue with that too. And what fight are you talking about? You asked me to prove that Jin has TK, i did it. So accept it. In other words, grow up.
Firstly, you don't EVER tell me what I can and cannot argue... Your the one who has brought up faulty evidence and offered it up as official proof, don't get angry with me because your not winning the argument...
Secondly, as I said, I can argue any point by offering a counter point, that power may not even actually be TK... That could be a force wave (A wave of directed physical force) Hence why the air around Jin's hand quivered.
I could also argue that the part of the devil that got into Jin has been either stronger or weaker if I wanted to, now that I have proven your Hypothesis about me wrong, don't assume about me again dude, that makes me very angry, and makes you look like a real fanboy...
Originally posted by samishe
Little presentation of what Jin is capable as Devil.
Dude, I have Tekken 5 at home, I know what version of him you where reffering to when you brought that feat up, and again I have to burst your bubble.
That version of Devil Jin does not canonically exist. It never will, Thats even more of a What If than Evil Ryu is... Now that I have explained that for the 3rd time... Whats the proof that you have that Jin will defeat Ryu again?
[QUOTE=6387177]Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You've just killed your own argument right there... if it officially happened there, then Ogre was dead well before the battle of Hon Maru, if it was a vision or Nightmare, then it could easily have been exagerated, or like I said before, simply didn't happen, for example, Jin NEVER vought these Heihachi bots...
You obviously don't have Tekken 4. After beating Kazuya and Heihachi he was going to kill his grandfather, but had a vision of Jun. She appeared only for a couple of seconds. She appeared right when he was going to do something bad to stop him like she once stoped Kazuya, that's why he started to search for her.
Firstly, you don't EVER tell me what I can and cannot argue... Your the one who has brought up faulty evidence and offered it up as official proof, don't get angry with me because your not winning the argument...
Firstly don't play taugh guy on the forum because anyone could do that and it does not bring you any respect.
Secondly about my "faulty" argument. You don't trust wiki, ok you're right it is not the best source of information. But you don't trust simple logic too. After all that happened after the king of iron fist tournament 4, all that devil within event makes sense. Because authors want to let us know Jin's story because of the possible return of Jun Kazama.
Secondly, as I said, I can argue any point by offering a counter point, that power may not even actually be TK... That could be a force wave (A wave of directed physical force) Hence why the air around Jin's hand quivered....
😂 Man, are you listening to yourself? "a force wave". So now you say that you started to argue with me about Jin's powers only to prove that his TK MIGHT be named some other way? This power he has obviously works as TK so does it really matters if it's something a bit different? Ok, you don't want to call it TK fine, call it some other way but why argueing. And since you have Tekken 5 look at Hwoarang ending.
I know it's not canon, but Devil in there has the same powers as in canon movies. He uses TK there.
I could also argue that the part of the devil that got into Jin has been either stronger or weaker if I wanted to, now that I have proven your Hypothesis about me wrong, don't assume about me again dude, that makes me very angry, and makes you look like a real fanboy...
OK sorry...
Dude, I have Tekken 5 at home, I know what version of him you where reffering to when you brought that feat up, and again I have to burst your bubble.
That version of Devil Jin does not canonically exist. It never will, Thats even more of a What If than Evil Ryu is... Now that I have explained that for the 3rd time... Whats the proof that you have that Jin will defeat Ryu again?
doh
Dude, i already mentioned above why i brought that thing. Only because someone said that Ryu surpass the Devil in firepower, so i showed him the Devil. Canon or not but it is The Devil. Same Devil that was inside of Kazuya.
Proof that Jin wins? OK. I only watched SF2 anime.
Recently Shin gave me the link to SF alpha anime. I liked it. But honostly before i watched it i was thinking higher about Ryu.
It turned out that he doesn't have any sixth sense. His "mountain-bursting punches" turned out not to be that hard. Ken is almost equel to Ryu in strength right? Well, when Ken was kicking the tree he only was leaving marks on it. He couldn't even break a TREE! Average people were taking Ryu's punches and not falling instantly. Ryu's speed does not surpass Jin's AT ALL. He has greater exp? Well Kazuya and Heihachi had more exp than Ryu but it didn't stopped Jin from betaing them both.
Now you tell me any proof that Ryu beats Jin. But let this proof not be based only on his popularity.
Originally posted by Hoshi
akuma is almost impossible to be noticed by anything than the eye itself , his presence, although almost deafening , it can be "almost invisible " if he wants. Probaly ryu would have kicked the armed guy even if chun li remained quiet.
Alright, i got it about Akuma, but it honostly seemed that the guy would've shot him if not Chun Li.
Originally posted by samishe
[QUOTE=6387177]Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
[B]You've just killed your own argument right there... if it officially happened there, then Ogre was dead well before the battle of Hon Maru, if it was a vision or Nightmare, then it could easily have been exagerated, or like I said before, simply didn't happen, for example, Jin NEVER vought these Heihachi bots...You obviously don't have Tekken 4. After beating Kazuya and Heihachi he was going to kill his grandfather, but had a vision of Jun. She appeared only for a couple of seconds. She appeared right when he was going to do something bad to stop him like she once stoped Kazuya, that's why he started to search for her.
Firstly, you don't EVER tell me what I can and cannot argue... Your the one who has brought up faulty evidence and offered it up as official proof, don't get angry with me because your not winning the argument...
Firstly don't play taugh guy on the forum because anyone could do that and it does not bring you any respect.
Secondly about my "faulty" argument. You don't trust wiki, ok you're right it is not the best source of information. But you don't trust simple logic too. After all that happened after the king of iron fist tournament 4, all that devil within event makes sense. Because authors want to let us know Jin's story because of the possible return of Jun Kazama.Secondly, as I said, I can argue any point by offering a counter point, that power may not even actually be TK... That could be a force wave (A wave of directed physical force) Hence why the air around Jin's hand quivered....
😂 Man, are you listening to yourself? "a force wave". So now you say that you started to argue with me about Jin's powers only to prove that his TK MIGHT be named some other way? This power he has obviously works as TK so does it really matters if it's something a bit different? Ok, you don't want to call it TK fine, call it some other way but why argueing. And since you have Tekken 5 look at Hwoarang ending.
I know it's not canon, but Devil in there has the same powers as in canon movies. He uses TK there.I could also argue that the part of the devil that got into Jin has been either stronger or weaker if I wanted to, now that I have proven your Hypothesis about me wrong, don't assume about me again dude, that makes me very angry, and makes you look like a real fanboy...
OK sorry...
Dude, I have Tekken 5 at home, I know what version of him you where reffering to when you brought that feat up, and again I have to burst your bubble.
That version of Devil Jin does not canonically exist. It never will, Thats even more of a What If than Evil Ryu is... Now that I have explained that for the 3rd time... Whats the proof that you have that Jin will defeat Ryu again?
doh
Dude, i already mentioned above why i brought that thing. Only because someone said that Ryu surpass the Devil in firepower, so i showed him the Devil. Canon or not but it is The Devil. Same Devil that was inside of Kazuya.Proof that Jin wins? OK. I only watched SF2 anime.
Recently Shin gave me the link to SF alpha anime. I liked it. But honostly before i watched it i was thinking higher about Ryu.It turned out that he doesn't have any sixth sense. His "mountain-bursting punches" turned out not to be that hard. Ken is almost equel to Ryu in strength right? Well, when Ken was kicking the tree he only was leaving marks on it. He couldn't even break a TREE! Average people were taking Ryu's punches and not falling instantly. Ryu's speed does not surpass Jin's AT ALL. He has greater exp? Well Kazuya and Heihachi had more exp than Ryu but it didn't stopped Jin from betaing them both.
Now you tell me any proof that Ryu beats Jin. But let this proof not be based only on his popularity. [/B]
man , you are talking only about the street fighter anime , that isnt even canon , If you want to talk only about the anime you can see the tekkens movies , where kazuyas strongest punchs (without his devil form) couldnt break steel doors , and his strongest kicks couldnt kill a young woman 😆 .