Can someone explain how that fight went, because I'm dying to know !
I like Spectre, but I find it weird. If he's on Living Tribunal's level, then why does he get involved in Earthly affairs? LT only gets involved in affairs that threaten the stability of entire Universes. Spectre gets involved in small matters, therefore I assumed his jurisdiction was smaller.
Ne ways if thier both the judges for "God" then who could really say who wins here?
All I'm figuring is that Spectre was said to have been hurt by Darksied's Omega Effect. That would not hurt the Living Tribunal. Also someone stated that the Spectre got his ass handed to him by Lucifer. Somehow I don't think Lucifer would beat Living Tribunal either. Now just me wait..im gonna get yelled at by many many Vertigo fans, but here me out. I've read several issues of Lucifer, the artwork isn't that great, but the stories are awesome. Good sh*t ! However, I haven't seen anything that impressed me soooo much that I would be convinced that he could kill or beat Living Tribunal. Living Tribunal derives his power from The One Above All, and Lucifer uses his own power reserves.
From everything I know, I'd say Living Tribunal takes this .
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Can someone explain how that fight went, because I'm dying to know !I like Spectre, but I find it weird. If he's on Living Tribunal's level, then why does he get involved in Earthly affairs? LT only gets involved in affairs that threaten the stability of entire Universes. Spectre gets involved in small matters, therefore I assumed his jurisdiction was smaller.
Ne ways if thier both the judges for "God" then who could really say who wins here?
All I'm figuring is that Spectre was said to have been hurt by Darksied's Omega Effect. That would not hurt the Living Tribunal. Also someone stated that the Spectre got his ass handed to him by Lucifer. Somehow I don't think Lucifer would beat Living Tribunal either. Now just me wait..im gonna get yelled at by many many Vertigo fans, but here me out. I've read several issues of Lucifer, the artwork isn't that great, but the stories are awesome. Good sh*t ! However, I haven't seen anything that impressed me soooo much that I would be convinced that he could kill or beat Living Tribunal. Living Tribunal derives his power from The One Above All, and Lucifer uses his own power reserves.
From everything I know, I'd say Living Tribunal takes this .
Lucifer has never beaten the Spectre that was micheal who was sent on the presence behalf
Tribunal hasn't done anything impressive either well nothing compared to what the Spectre's done.
If by "Fully-powered Spectre"You mean backed by the presence then LT doesn't stand a chance no one under God himself would be able to win.
Depends on what we're calling full powered Spectre.
Hal as Spectre at the end of issue 27 of volume 4, was basically controlling the entire multiverse, guiding every destiny and soul, building and destroying universes and all that good stuff.
Spectre has more feats than Tribunal to account for.
But it's still a weak arguement, imo.
And Urizen, don't believe everything you hear. Lucifer didn't beat up Spectre, but Spectre has conquered Hell simply by willing it.
Darkseid's Omega Effect made Hal say "uhn". But Darkseid at the height of his power has demolished multiversal level threats, even made The Source feel pain, and even stepped into and tapped into it's power, and found what was beyond it. -- Anyways, after saying "uhn" from the cheapshot Omega Effect, Spectre erased him. He later reformed, because Darkseid is neccisary to existance as a whole. He balances all of creation. Your whole post seemed based in hearsay.
Spectre actually doesn't often get involved in Earthly matters too much, the hero vs hero stuff. He goes around guiding souls and finding the mysteries of creation. He does spend TIME on Earth, because he's bonded to a HUMAN SOUL who is often anchored/attached to Earth, as it's where he lived life... some have a hard time giving that up. Spectre has a job to do, but the host has a mission of enlightenment he must continue on, and it often deals with him finally letting go of his Earthly ties.
{Spectre get's involved in "earthly affairs"because that's what he does as the spirit of vengeance.}
I understand that, but he's getting involved in the affairs of one world. Why not get involved in the affairs of other worlds? There has to be like billions of worlds that need a Spirit of Vengeance. Living Tribunal wouldn't waste his time on one world, Only entire universes count to him, his jurisdiction seems higher and logically makes more sense. anways the Spectre is too Earth-centered, I don't buy the whole cosmic being comes from Earth, one world, and then he has power over multiple universes.
{Lucifer has never beaten the Spectre that was micheal who was sent on the presence behalf}
My mistake, I'm sorry, I meant to just state that Lucifer is above Spectre.
[Tribunal hasn't done anything impressive either well nothing compared to what the Spectre's done.}
Okay what would you say is the greatest thing Spectre has done? Not impressive..Living Tribunal? He banished Beyonder into one universe (In a Guardians of the Galaxy issue) and held the Pheonix Force in his hand. He halted Adam Warlock's Infitini Gauntlet rage. Tell me none of those things are impressive. Seriously....
I think people like Spectre more cuz he's not passive like Living Tribunal. LT is indifferent to good and evil while Spectre is vengeful and PO'ed. I can understand the appeal of angry characters, and the possible boredom one may feel with LT.
But LT doesn't need to display anger that way, why should he? He has infinite power, he represents the ONE ABOVE ALL, his sole duty is to judge the outcome of Universe's destinies.
{{If by "Fully-powered Spectre"You mean backed by the presence then LT doesn't stand a chance no one under God himself would be able to win.}}}
Yes he does. Spectre is powered by the Presence, Living Tribunal is powered by the One Above All. It's God's minion VS God's minion ! This debate will go no where.
LT doesn't need to go to full power, he's given whatever power is needed to carry forth judgement on a Universe. If the IG couldn't hurt him, niether could Spectre.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenObviously Urizen you have no place to speak on Spectre. Maybe you should stick to the strengths of LT instead. Spectre DOES get involved in the other worlds. He exists in all worlds, in all planes, in all realities in DC. Spectre PRIME walks the Earth, tied to a human soul, but is broadcasted across all of creation.
{Spectre get's involved in "earthly affairs"because that's what he does as the spirit of vengeance.}I understand that, but he's getting involved in the affairs of one world. Why not get involved in the affairs of other worlds? There has to be like billions of worlds that need a Spirit of Vengeance. Living Tribunal wouldn't waste his time on one world, Only entire universes count to him, his jurisdiction seems higher and logically makes more sense. anways the Spectre is too Earth-centered, I don't buy the whole cosmic being comes from Earth, one world, and then he has power over multiple universes.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenOkay what would you say is the greatest thing Spectre has done? Not impressive..Living Tribunal? He banished Beyonder into one universe (In a Guardians of the Galaxy issue) and held the Pheonix Force in his hand. He halted Adam Warlock's Infitini Gauntlet rage. Tell me none of those things are impressive. Seriously....
Dont try it LU. Lt did hold Phoenix in his hand but nothing was stated about their comparative power level so dont make assumptions based on her landing on his hand to tell him he is no longer needed because shes done his job for him. 😉
Lt says its his wish for Phoenix to not take a host and Phoenix chooses not to with the captions saying that Phoenix CHOSE TO LISTEN TO HIM AT THAT TIME, because she knew no host could safely hold her power for long and she could threaten the multiverse.
With that in mind dont make assumptions, especially totally unsupported ones. The only time the Phoenix and LT's powers have been weighed up directly against each other was in X-men Forever and Eternity stated that the Phoenix power can render someone supreme in creation and he created a depiction of LT bowing before a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. Remember that!! 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont try it LU. Lt did hold Phoenix in his hand but nothing was stated about their comparative power level so dont make assumptions based on her landing on his hand to tell him he is no longer needed because shes done his job for him. 😉Lt says its his wish for Phoenix to not take a host and Phoenix chooses not to with the captions saying that Phoenix CHOSE TO LISTEN TO HIM AT THAT TIME, because she knew no host could safely hold her power for long and she could threaten the multiverse.
With that in mind dont make assumptions, especially totally unsupported ones. The only time the Phoenix and LT's powers have been weighed up directly against each other was in X-men Forever and Eternity stated that the Phoenix power can render someone supreme in creation and he created a depiction of LT bowing before a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. Remember that!! 😱
Originally posted by S.S
I would continue but it would seem that Juntai and GS are here so good luck to you......😛
Halting Adams outburst isnt nearly as impressive as it sounds when u consider Dr Strange has done the same thing. If Adam attacked at full power and was out to kill LT and LT managed to do so then you'd have a point. As it stands LT agreed in that issue that he didnt know how his power fared against the IG and he therefore talked Adam out of a confrontation for the sake of 616.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Can someone explain how that fight went, because I'm dying to know !I like Spectre, but I find it weird. If he's on Living Tribunal's level, then why does he get involved in Earthly affairs? LT only gets involved in affairs that threaten the stability of entire Universes. Spectre gets involved in small matters, therefore I assumed his jurisdiction was smaller.
Phoenix gets involved in earth affairs all the time, shes even spent time as a member of the X-men, yet shes still responsible for making Marvel creation. Your logic doesnt cut it. Dont confuse role with power.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ne ways if thier both the judges for "God" then who could really say who wins here?
Lt doesnt conclusively have anything to do with Marvels God. All that has ever been stated about TOAA is that its LTs master and that it is a power abover the IG. These days there are many powers depicted on panel as being so, does that make them supreme beings as well? 😕
In F4 last year God was depicted on panel and yet no reference of "TOAA" was to be found on any one of the issues 23 pages. 😄