Originally posted by Juntai
Wierd, I never realised Marvel utilized religion like that, never seen it in their comics before.
Same here. I only picked recently picked up the issue and only cos i heard God was in it. I dont know why but I was a bit disappointed when he was just shown as a comicbook writer lol
Originally posted by GalacticStormLike when Animal Man thought he found God?
Same here. I only picked recently picked up the issue and only cos i heard God was in it. I dont know why but I was a bit disappointed when he was just shown as a comicbook writer lol
"God? Haha. No. I'm just your writer." - Grant Morrison. lol.
{Wierd, I never realised Marvel utilized religion like that, never seen it in their comics before. Sounds kinda like a corny story though, but I guess that's the Fantastic 4 for ya.}
It is corny bro, ur right.
Hey I got nothing against religion, but i do find it cheesy when God and Heaven are automatically made the supreme, and nothing can go against that. Not everyone beleives in God and Heaven, etc. Marvel and DC , well more DC than Marvel, are just taking the dominant religion, using it to boost thier popularity and "validate" the power of thier characters like Spectre, Lucifer, etc. and then ofcourse people willingly accept that, rather than question it, and then we have these debates rely on that fact.
Limits man..such limits....
Sorry ppl, i know i sound stupid here, but Creativity needs to extend. Religion is limitting possibility and creativity here, and its so corny, thats kinda why i dont read DC or Marvel as much ne more.
Image and Top Cow use religion as well, but they use all religions to go into thier mythology, and they actually give God a weakness...whether it be a character flaw, or having his omnipotence be a sham.....im not saying it reflects on reality, but its a lot more interesting and creative.
Most of that is taken out of context, following hieghts of powers to their conclusion, eventually you do end up with one being that created all or in a different term, created the beings that created all.... that being in DC "The Presence". "The Presence" cannot be defeated, because it simply "is". It is the sum of the whole, and more. Not a being that can be challenged or defeated or have a weakness. Most other religions are taken into account, Zues, Odin, etc.. those gods are all byproducts of creation by The Oversoul or The Presence or beings or ideas 'it' created...and are all small fractions of it's whole, just as everything is. No matter how far imagination goes, in the end everything "is" as it should be, as written. It is totality at it's greatest. The absolute hieghth of imagination as it were, as it encompasses all.
Even in Crossgen, which you refered to in another thread, all followed up into higher and higher level beings like The First, the Atlanteans, until we had the starry guys that represented the Negation and Universe common, similar to the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, and then we found the female that created all of them. By 'willing' them to be, and we found that not even she was total, and obviously did not make Crossgen's creation. Had the books carried on longer, like hundreds of issues, or perhaps even through their Negation War[Crisis deally.] we would have eventually learned OF the supreme unchallengable being that made all possibilities possible. Or had references to him/her/it in the least. Crossgen was awesome, I read pretty much every issue.
Re: Fully-Powered Spectre vs. The Living Tribunal
Originally posted by batdude123
Who takes this?
Who gives a shit .... these threads always end up with G.S. making some reference to the phoenix, and then everyone arguing with him (in long repetitive essays, that become so ambiguous and convoluted that everyone just ends reiterating their original points over and over)
Basically these threads come down to an absurd theology that compares the Marvel supreme being with the D.C. one.
'My Gods better that yours' .... Who gives a Shit ?????? How many comics have been written about TOAA or the Source, none !!!!!
{{{{Most of that is taken out of context, following hieghts of powers to their conclusion, eventually you do end up with one being that created all or in a different term, created the beings that created all.... that being in DC "The Presence". "The Presence" cannot be defeated, because it simply "is". It is the sum of the whole, and more. Not a being that can be challenged or defeated or have a weakness. Most other religions are taken into account, Zues, Odin, etc.. those gods are all byproducts of creation by The Oversoul or The Presence or beings or ideas 'it' created...and are all small fractions of it's whole, just as everything is. No matter how far imagination goes, in the end everything "is" as it should be, as written. It is totality at it's greatest. The absolute hieghth of imagination as it were, as it encompasses all.}}
Okay, so in terms of Presence and Yahweh. Who is more powerful, or are they the same being?
Secondly, I understand that eventually there is a Supreme Force that birthed everything else. However, DC, I think, became a little cheesy with putting the Christian God on top, and therefore denying any more possibility.
Spectre, Lucifer, Micheal...are like on top of DC/Vertigo correct? Where can you after that, in terms of power heirarchy ? Or in terms of anything....
Alteast Image CHALLENGES thier Supreme Being. There isn't this FLAT UNDERSTANDING that God is all and therefore nothing against his will can happen. In fact everything against his will occurs. Even if he is meant to be the Supreme Being, his will and status are challenged all the time, and lesser characters CAN defy his wishes and goals.
{{Even in Crossgen, which you refered to in another thread, all followed up into higher and higher level beings like The First, the Atlanteans, until we had the starry guys that represented the Negation and Universe common, similar to the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, and then we found the female that created all of them. By 'willing' them to be, and we found that not even she was total, and obviously did not make Crossgen's creation. Had the books carried on longer, like hundreds of issues, or perhaps even through their Negation War[Crisis deally.] we would have eventually learned OF the supreme unchallengable being that made all possibilities possible. Or had references to him/her/it in the least. Crossgen was awesome, I read pretty much every issue.}}
Crossgen was beautiful. It's what actually made me steer away from Marvel and DC. It was so much more ...i duno....I loved it more.
You speak of Charon, Appolyan, Solusandra, and Danik. However, these beings were once mortal. They became all powerful through scientific means.
Ultamately, well atleast from what has been published, there is no true supreme being. Crossgen's Universe is just there, and Negation's Universe is totally F*cked up. Do you remember how the physics of Negation's Universe was SO FLAWED ? Charon wanted to "FIX" that mistake of a dimension.
Obviously, each universe had to have had a different designer, If having any designer at all.
There is no evidence in Crossgen comics to prove that a Supreme Being beyond Solus and Charon exist.
We only go by that, cuz it's what we are used to. Throughout history every religion has had a supreme being, every civilization has had ONE on top..a king, queen, etc. But none of these ideals every achieved perfection. It's molded in our heads to have this idealogy in us, and therefore when Comic Book Writers create thier stories, this influence automatically compells them to have a Supreme Being.
That doesn't make it true or manditory.
That's one of the hundreds of reasons I liked Crossgen. Possibilities were more abundant.
Re: Re: Fully-Powered Spectre vs. The Living Tribunal
Originally posted by Doctor SKank
Who gives a shit .... these threads always end up with G.S. making some reference to the phoenix, and then everyone arguing with him (in long repetitive essays, that become so ambiguous and convoluted that everyone just ends reiterating their original points over and over)Basically these threads come down to an absurd theology that compares the Marvel supreme being with the D.C. one.
'My Gods better that yours' .... Who gives a Shit ?????? How many comics have been written about TOAA or the Source, none !!!!!
Yahman returns. 😉
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fully-Powered Spectre vs. The Living Tribunal
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont try it toyboy. Hows Whirly btw? 😉
Allow me to answer that .... I believe he is a live and well. 😏
I believe you were invited to our latest meeting place, i do hope you will join us. I will enjoy humiliating you in front of a new audience. 🙂