Originally posted by Alliance
Apparently you can't think hypothetically...
* yes, because it's hypothetical... 😆
* funny how you base your twisted argument by a hypothesis... 😆
Originally posted by Alliance
Is it hard to swallow that you're wrong and can't back up you're argument?
* you are the one who CANNOT back-up your argument, that's why you stoop so low by giving a hypothesis as your basis... 😉
* and you still CANNOT refute the fact that Christ NEVER EVER taught his followers to kill... 😉
Originally posted by Alliance
You have failed to address murders commited by the Protestant church as well.
* irrelevant, i'm proving that Catholics are not Christians because of the Inquisition... but by being general, ANY religious group that orders their members to kill are absolutely NOT Christians... 😉
Originally posted by Alliance
I am defending the views of Catholics, I am not Catholic myself. Catholics are Christians because they believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah. No credible source in the world denies that Catholics are Christians. If you can't accept this, I question your knowledge of Christianity.
* i really question your knowledge on Christianity... imagine, just by believing Christ is the Messiah, you are immediately a Christian? don't make me laugh... a real Christian abides the whole teachings of Christ and His apostles and NOT just by believing Him to be the Messiah... 😉
Originally posted by Alliance
I blame all Christians, Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant for killing in the name of their faith. Until you can present facts to support you're argument, I believe I have made my point.
* the fact of the matter is that Christ NEVER orders someone to kill... ANY of those religious groups or sects you mentioned, if they orders their members to kill, they surely are not Christians... 😉
* okay, since you like hypothesis, read this...
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies , bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
Matthew 5:44
* Christ taught us to LOVE our enemies and not kill them... here's goes the hypothesis...
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. "
Galatians 1:8
* even if Saint Paul himself, or even if an angel from heaven comes and preach a gospel DIFFERENT from what Christ or Saint Paul, is to be accursed... 😉
* even in a hypothesis, Christ would never teach killing... 🙄
Right, so peejayd, do you consider extremist muslims actual muslims? because if you do, by that very train of thought all people who carry the title of 'christian' are christian. duh.
actually, even if you answer 'no', if someone carries the title of 'christian' around wth them, they're christian. your views on what a christian is doesnt really take away from that.
ditto and ditto and your two quotes aren't even hypothetical situations...let alone a hypothesis.
I never said Chirst ordered people to kill...please, get over it. Its a hypothetical situation.
If what you say is true, which I belive it is not, then I don't think anyone can be considered Chirstian because no one follows word for word the teachings of Christ. Everyone has changed it. Christianity is not a religion then...Jesus was the only Christian. It ended when he died.
Originally posted by Rapscallion
um do you know what a hypothesis is? It is not the noun term for a hypothetical situation. Hypothetical describes a made up situation to prove a point. hypothesis is an educated guess.
* boy, you sure are very biased... the fact of the matter is that Christ never taught his followers to kill, and even if He did tell them afterwards, real Christians won't obey... read Galatians 1:8...
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Right, so peejayd, do you consider extremist muslims actual muslims? because if you do, by that very train of thought all people who carry the title of 'christian' are christian. duh.actually, even if you answer 'no', if someone carries the title of 'christian' around wth them, they're christian. your views on what a christian is doesnt really take away from that.
* well, that's the problem with you guys... you always tend to justify yourselves by blaming Christians, where in fact, real Christians are not taught to kill... and idiots who call themselves "christians" are already Christians? well, it's a bigger "duh?!" for you...
* real Christians obey Christ's teachings, think of all stupid hypotheses you got, the fact remains very simple: read the Bible, there is no way Christ will teach people to kill... if you see Catholics or other religious denominations that claim they are Christians, and order their members to kill... they are NOT real Christians...
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ .
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light ."
II Corinthians 11:13-14
* for goodness' sake, open your eyes, people...
Originally posted by peejayd
boy, you sure are very biased...
and
Originally posted by peejayd
for goodness' sake, open your eyes, people...
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Those were the funniest things I've heard in a long time. 5 STARS!
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Originally posted by peejayd
the fact of the matter is that Christ never taught his followers to kill, and even if He did tell them afterwards, real Christians won't obey...
So by your own definitions, these people who did not kill would not be Christians, because they did not follow the word of Christ. As you said...
Originally posted by peejayd
real Christians obey Christ's teachings
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Don't you just love how the Bible has its own defense mechnisms against the "false apostles, and deceitful workers" 😱 Lets make sure everyone is under control. Catholics not Christians...please.
Cline put it aptly. It' s always interesting to observe how religious believers want to associate themselves with the good things done by their co-religionists in other eras or cultures, but are so quick to disassociate themselves form co-religionists who do bad things. Responsibility is a two-way street. Your association with the good things done by other members of your group is just as strong as your association with the bad things done by members of your group.
Jesus’ teachings support plenty of good things, but Jesus’ teachings can also be used to support plenty of bad things. In the end, Christianity is comprised of the actions and beliefs of Christians because that’ s all that really exists. There is no pure form of Christianity sitting out there, against which all current and historical manifestations of Christianity can be judged.
Originally posted by Storm
Cline put it aptly. It' s always interesting to observe how religious believers want to associate themselves with the good things done by their co-religionists in other eras or cultures, but are so quick to disassociate themselves form co-religionists who do bad things. Responsibility is a two-way street. Your association with the good things done by other members of your group is just as strong as your association with the bad things done by members of your group.
Jesus’ teachings support plenty of good things, but Jesus’ teachings can also be used to support plenty of bad things. In the end, Christianity is comprised of the actions and beliefs of Christians because that’ s all that really exists. There is no pure form of Christianity sitting out there, against which all current and historical manifestations of Christianity can be judged.
However that "pure form of Christianity" is part of the teaching of some extremest Christians. They are told that they are the only true church and all others are copies made by Satan.
Most religion bashing start with a simple misunderstanding, that grows out of control.
This idea that I'm in the true church is blinding. It appeals to the ego that believes that "I" am the center of the world. The idea that "I" could be wrong is painful and reinforces the lack of self steam in the individual that has grabbed onto this appealing idea. When other people are confronted by this apparent egotism they react in a defensive manor. Once frustration sets in, some people act out and blame the other person for this misunderstanding. Both parties don’t realize that the conflict is because of low self steam.
Originally posted by peejayd
* boy, you sure are very biased... the fact of the matter is that Christ never taught his followers to kill, and even if He did tell them afterwards, real Christians won't obey... read Galatians 1:8...* well, that's the problem with you guys... you always tend to justify yourselves by blaming Christians, where in fact, real Christians are not taught to kill... and idiots who call themselves "christians" are already Christians? well, it's a bigger "duh?!" for you...
* real Christians obey Christ's teachings, think of all stupid hypotheses you got, the fact remains very simple: read the Bible, there is no way Christ will teach people to kill... if you see Catholics or other religious denominations that claim they are Christians, and order their members to kill... they are NOT real Christians...
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ .
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light ."
II Corinthians 11:13-14* for goodness' sake, open your eyes, people...
but religion was started by people, therefore shouldn't people choose what is christian and what isn't christian not the bible. remember it was people who created the bible not the other way around. Oh, and how does typing two random definitions make me biased? I was just clarifying the meaning of two words that you tend to use alot, but have no idea what they mean. Although, in your defense, yes I am biased. I'm in favor of my own opinion over yours. Astute observation.You sure are a sharp cookie aren't you.
Originally posted by Alliance
I was thinking of the Byzantine empire and their continous was with the Arabs. Constatninople alos allowed the Catholics to use it as a launching point for the crusades. I don't have more detail sorry, but since every religion has, at some point in thier history, been militant, I doubt Othodox Christians are exempt. I'll look into it.Maybe you know more about this then I do...If you do, let me know.
I think Orthodox Christianity went a very different route than other Christian denominations.
Of course, not denying Byzantine empire, such would be immensly wrong of me, but Orthodox Christianity did take a different route to all other branches of Christianity.
Being a decendent from the South East Europe (Balkans to be percise) I can assure you that in my ansestor history there has not been massive killing in the name of Orthodox christianity. This is mostly due to the fact that Turks came over in the early 1300, conqured those parts and kept everyone enslaved for around 500 years.
Islam has been, in those parts spread through the sword far more than any other religion. As far as persecution went of anyone who wasnt christian in these parts, such never happened either (unlike in the west, for example) mostly because of the turk occupations, etc...in short, murders in the name of Orthodox Chruch were never done, especially not in the way they were in the west.
Im sure you heard about the huge debate of Armanian genocide...I havent got the exact details of those, or what is happening at the moment, but the gist of it is that Turks refuse to admit the genocide commited against Armanians.
Originally posted by Alliance
So by your own definitions, these people who did not kill would not be Christians, because they did not follow the word of Christ. As you said...
* that's because you cut my post... 😕
* Christ and Saint Paul had already established the spirit of the entirety of the gospel... and the gospel does not and will not order people to kill... but considering your twisted hypothesis, by saying, "what if Christ orders Christians to kill, will they obey or not?"
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you , let him be accursed."
Galatians 1:8
* the gospel has been established, so preaching a different gospel won't budge any real Christian to kill... get my point, hypothesis-man? 😉
Originally posted by Alliance
Don't you just love how the Bible has its own defense mechnisms against the "false apostles, and deceitful workers" 😱 Lets make sure everyone is under control. Catholics not Christians...please.
* aren't there any false apostles in our time? and you consider those people Christians? don't make me laugh, you're so gullible... Catholics are Christians... please... 😆
most people from all religions are socially adept and schollarly, how ever its the semi-extremist views of a select few that spew their "intelligence i shall call it" upon the rest.
to the buddhist, no u are not going to hell if u are not christian
to the satanists, u are not damned just for ur beliefs
to the mormons, u make me laugh i <3 mormons
and to all the others: be true to u and dont let others push their beliefs in on u
oh and to the extremist and semi-extremist, spare us cuz for the most part we just dont care