Ok, Then how was the combined potential of Anakin, Leia and Luke able to "block" that lightning, how were they able to push it back at Sidious thus destroying him and his flagship?
The Force Storm is not a technique of which there is no defense. Quite frankly i would put Kun above the potential of Leia,Luke and Anakin thus allowing him to throw Sidious's lightning back at him
Indeed. Another point is why is everything derived from the "Ancients" its really quite annoying, since it means we cannot find more information about the technique itself.
But your right its more than likely it originated from the Ancient Sith, since DE Sidious did learn from some of them on Korriban. But honestly, i can see a Sith like Naga Sadow throwing the Force Storm right back at Sidious, as he is the stronger Sith by leagues.
Originally posted by skyflyer
Dude I could be wrong but you are in no position to call anyone an idiot. Whenever I see you're making a complete fool of yourself.
Let's see. The sceptre blasted through a wall, Sadow's amulet blasted through a wall. No...there is obviously no similarity.
The scepter blasted through a wall...into a hollow chamber. Sadow's amulet blasted through flesh and a much thicker wall.
That and the scepter's blasts don't expand as they travel, don't seem to rip through flesh, have been wielded by relative weaklings, and have only been shown to knock rocks out of walls.
No, not much similarity beyond aesthetics.
Comes from the guy that compares Kun's amulet blasts to something that destroys entire fleets and "rends the fabric of space itself" and then talks about lack of consistency on my side ? Haha.
Do you want to show me where I compare the two?
For the sake of argument, quantify how much power it takes to "rend the fabric of space itself" then. I'll have a fun time watching you try.
And canonically Revan and Malak performed force lightning, force push and force choke. That does make them superior to somebody able do destroy entire fleets with his force powers how again ? And by the way...was that you who constantly rated the TOTJ era people above all because they had so much fights against other force users ?
Actually, it's because their knowledge base is far larger (and more valuable), their era is far more martial, and their displayed prowess is greater.
By that logic people who lived in a constant period of battles between Jedi and Sith for 1,000 years should be superior to people who just had the Third Shism (lasting less than a year) and the Great Sith War. What did you say ? "Ah, consistency. The bane of fanboys." ?
Except you're making a strawman argument, because that isn't what I've debated. Nice going with the logical fallacy, though.
Do you read what I write ? Did you see that:
I saw it, but interference doesn't have to be killing him. All they may need to do is push it back on him.
He still wasn't overpowered. They isolated him using the Light Side thereby making him losing control over the storm. They didn't overpower him and they didn't turn the storm against him. It's not SW according to IKC.
Oh yes, because isolating him required no effort whatsoever and they could've done it any time because they didn't have to overpower him, right?
Sure, Nai. And green bunnies leap from my anus at regular intervals.
Oh so the walls that the Amulet blasts blasted through were thicker now? Can you prove that? What does the scepter being held by a relative weakling had to do with anything? For all you know Kun could have been a relative weakling without the amulet.. What's your point? How would you compare Kun's blasts which were only used once, and were never shown to take out a competent, live force user, to a force storm that destroys anything in it's path? It's pretty obvious which is more powerful. Oh and the Scepter might not "rip through flesh", but it seems to drain the force from planets..
Originally posted by IKC
The scepter blasted through a wall...into a hollow chamber. Sadow's amulet blasted through flesh and a much thicker wall.That and the scepter's blasts don't expand as they travel, don't seem to rip through flesh, have been wielded by relative weaklings, and have only been shown to knock rocks out of walls.
No, not much similarity beyond aesthetics.
This is great. Give me the thickness of the temple walls that were blasted. You can't. That one's out.
Then give me the exact picture were we see Kun blasting through the wall - there is no hole visible.
Than the sceptre has been wielded by relative weaklings could do the same damage than Sadow's. Hmm. Think about that.
Do you want to show me where I compare the two?For the sake of argument, quantify how much power it takes to "rend the fabric of space itself" then. I'll have a fun time watching you try.
You said I'm not consistent because I said I don't see people resisting a force storm while I thought that Luke might be able to deflect Kun's amulet blasts. So obviously you were comparing the force storm to said amulet blasts.
Why should I point out the amount of power needed. It's so damn obvious that "destroying an entire fleet" requires more energy than "blasting a hole in a sith beast" or "vaporize a Massassi" that it isn't even worth my time trying to do something like that.
Actually, it's because their knowledge base is far larger (and more valuable), their era is far more martial, and their displayed prowess is greater.
Again: I was talking about Revan, not Kun. And even if I was. How was Kun's time period more martial than a 1000-year-constant-war between Jedi and Sith ?
Except you're making a strawman argument, because that isn't what I've debated. Nice going with the logical fallacy, though.
When you do the same it's called "You won't define my points for me, Nai". Way to go...
I saw it, but interference doesn't have to be killing him. All they may need to do is push it back on him.
Which was never done. I'd like to see how they're gonna focusing on pushing that thing back (appearing just over their sorry asses) while the mad muppets tries to cut them down with his lightsaber.
Oh yes, because isolating him required no effort whatsoever and they could've done it any time because they didn't have to overpower him, right?
No. They didn't have to overpower him. Overpowering him would have meant either killing him or destroying the force storm which they both didn't. They combined their powers to isolate him from that storm, making him lose control and the result was that the storm destroyed his ship (and Sidious with it). Luke even says that "He conquered himself". Does that sound like they did "overpower" him ?
Sure, Nai. And green bunnies leap from my anus at regular intervals.
That must hurt, dude. Do you put them in yourself ?
Originally posted by Deception
GV, you blinded view on DE Sidious being the most powerful of all is unwanted here. Nai himself gave arguments to why Marka Ragnos is the most powerful of the most powerful. Even IKC who admittely favours Kun admits Ragnos is the most powerful, if biased people can face it, if logical people can face it, why are you so blinded to believe zomg DE Sid pwnzros all, whilst he is a relative weakling in comparison to the Ancient Sith.So, DE Sidious performed a much larger scaled form of Force Lightning, you cannot prove whether its unique or not, it is entirely based on description and its effects are no different from Force Lightning, so thus if Force Lightning can be blocked by a lightsaber, nothing says that a powerful force being such as Kun can't block it.
ZOMG DE Sidious can teleport people, fact remains he was indeed a very powerful Sith Lord, but he did so due the fact he wanted to convert Luke to his side, yet in all the Ancient Sith and Nadd/Kun's Sith, they never pursue to recruit one potential Sith, so by that logic you assume Sidious is powerful beacuse he can transport people? Nothing dictates that the Ancient Sith/Nadd/Kun/NJO or DN Luke can't do the same, its out of neccessity that DE Sidious did so.
Enlighten me if you will, in Kun's time, who did he need to "teleport," to convert? When did the Ancient Sith need to "teleport" in order to recruit just one potential Sith. When did Nadd, Luke and so forth require to do so? The answer is that none of them ever needed to do so, hence you cannot assume they can't neither can you say, OMG DE SIDIOUS CAN TELELPORT PPL HE"LL PWNZORS. That is logical fallacy.
1. Marka Ragnos, the guy who was pwned by Jaden Korr??? 😐
I happen to think the ancient sith are 'relative weakling' in comparison to DE Sidious. What now?
2. Force Storm isnt just some lightning, do some research...
3. Blind speculation. And besides there was situations where they could of used it to help themself, for example Kun when he going to be attacked by the Republic fleet on Yavin could of saved himself alot of trouble if just teleported away, dont you think?
4. Read above.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
1. Marka Ragnos, the guy who was pwned by Jaden Korr??? 😐I happen to think the ancient sith are 'relative weakling' in comparison to DE Sidious. What now?
GV, I know you missed the boat on this one, but don't be thick; Ragnos >>>>> Sidious. The whole "Omfg Jaden beet him!" argument falls apart because it wasn't Ragnos he beat, it was Tavion's battered body being possessed by Ragnos' 5000 year old spirit.