Originally posted by Janus Marius
GV, I know you missed the boat on this one, but don't be thick; Ragnos >>>>> Sidious. The whole "Omfg Jaden beet him!" argument falls apart because it wasn't Ragnos he beat, it was Tavion's battered body being possessed by Ragnos' 5000 year old spirit.
Yes I know...if it was Ragnos in his prime then that would be like the ultimate humiliation.
There is still no excuse, Ragnos with all his knowledge, not to mention he even had his scepter, and still lost to Jaden is inexcuseable. Ragnos is overrated, and his creator even says that he was never meant to be more powerful then Sidious. Can it be any more clear ?
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Yes I know...if it was Ragnos in his prime then that would be like the ultimate humiliation.There is still no excuse, Ragnos with all his knowledge, not to mention he even had his scepter, and still lost to Jaden is inexcuseable. Ragnos is overrated, and his creator even says that he was never meant to be more powerful then Sidious. Can it be any more clear ?
Um.. Ragnos was a 5,000 year old spirit that would have taken the entire Jedi Academy to defeat.. Ragnos is overrated? Or is it the fact that it is conclusive that he is the best of the best? Get it through your skull. He was the MOST powerful of the MOST powerful.
Originally posted by tdtd
Um.. Ragnos was a 5,000 year old spirit that would have taken the entire Jedi Academy to defeat.. Ragnos is overrated? Or is it the fact that it is conclusive that he is the best of the best? Get it through your skull. He was the MOST powerful of the MOST powerful.
Oh really, the WHOLE Jedi Academy? Yet Jaden won by himself? Make arguments with some sense behind them then we'll talk.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Oh really, the WHOLE Jedi Academy? Yet Jaden won by himself? Make arguments with some sense behind them then we'll talk.
First of all, youre talking about a video game which isn't exactly canon. Secondly, if you consider it canon then you can remember the part where Luke was frightened and said "It is going to take the whole Academy to stop this". Meaning the whole academy would have to contend with just his ghost, imagine the destruction he would cause if he was alive. Oh I also forgot that you don't have a clue concerning the concept of a storyline, in which Jaden defeated a weak force user in Tavion, who had Ragnos spirit in her... Wow, yea that makes Ragnos look terrible, good one.
Originally posted by tdtd
First of all, youre talking about a video game which isn't exactly canon.Secondly, if you consider it canon then you can remember the part where Luke was frightened and said "It is going to take the whole Academy to stop this". Meaning the whole academy would have to contend with just his ghost, imagine the destruction he would cause if he was alive.
Oh I also forgot that you don't have a clue concerning the concept of a storyline, in which Jaden defeated a weak force user in Tavion, who had Ragnos spirit in her... Wow, yea that makes Ragnos look terrible, good one.
1. Its canon, not very high level but still canon.
2. Yes, though apparently it didnt take the whole academy did it?
3. I addressed this in an earlier post, read up.
Originally posted by tdtd
First of all, youre talking about a video game which isn't exactly canon. Secondly, if you consider it canon then you can remember the part where Luke was frightened and said "It is going to take the whole Academy to stop this". Meaning the whole academy would have to contend with just his ghost, imagine the destruction he would cause if he was alive. Oh I also forgot that you don't have a clue concerning the concept of a storyline, in which Jaden defeated a weak force user in Tavion, who had Ragnos spirit in her... Wow, yea that makes Ragnos look terrible, good one.
Err....no.
Luke thought that it would need the entirety of the Academy to go and try fight a living Ragnos - since the plan was to ressurrect him using his sceptre.
And this quote alone puts Ragnos far above DE Sidious.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Err....no.
Luke thought that it would need the entirety of the Academy to go and try fight a living Ragnos - since the plan was to ressurrect him using his sceptre.
And this quote alone puts Ragnos far above DE Sidious.
...And Luke's words right before he said that explains it pretty well, "We have no clue of his powers" or something similar to that. Luke had no idea on what level of power Ragnos was, and I bet he didn't want to take any risks.
And Luke didn't specify anything like, "everyone in the academy has to take on Ragnos at the same time", he just said they would need the whole academy to stop him which could also include his army. Like in one place in Half-Life 2, a character says that they will need help from all the people in the city to stop Dr Breen, but are they talking about facing him in battle? No, they are talking about stopping him from controlling the Combine forces.
And it could also be considered that because some dark jedi dedicate their whole lifes to revive a dead sith lord whos power or midichlorians count is not mesured, then he could proove a large threat, one that they might not know how to counter, or that his power combined with them would be too great.
Some moments before Luke also said that the academy still had very few students. Many were probably still younglings or barley trained. Mabey he ment that they had to send out all the jedi they got to defeat this threat, like the Germans sent out young boys when the Allies had reached Germany because there was to much at stake.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Nai wasnt agreeing with you...He did say 'That puts Ragnos above DE Sidious'...Ill challenge him on that if he wants to argue it. Kamikz agrees Luke doesnt know anything about Ragnos.
So anyways if you have no arguments of your own, tdtd, then go home.
Nai added to what I already said and corrected me on 1 thing, reading comprehension is your friend.
Originally posted by Illustrious
Again, Nai, I've never even seen you so much as concede a point. You'll argue until you're blue in the face even when I've proven you wrong. You won't concede that there's ever any facts because you haven't perceived them. Simply because you don't agree with my points, they are somehow false. You haven't established there is even a correlation, much less a causation. You haven't demonstrated any understanding of statistics, you've even CONTRADICTED YOURSELF with the Jedi Archives. But no, you're right. Jedi in TOTJ don't use armor. Jedi in TOTJ all use Niman. Jedi in TOTJ suck. PT Jedi pwn.Yeah, live in your ignorant bliss. Your observation and interpretation is somehow superior to mine, your word is somehow superior to the narrator.
I guess if you still can't see the light, we're going to have to agree to disagree, as all you do is churn out broken records of what you already said without once giving me a context.
Ditto, again.