Originally posted by Dampyre
2. Tyrant was totally ineffective against Galactus in their second meeting until he used G's machines to suck all the power out of him. Also, Galactus straight up defeated a much moire powerful version of Tyrant a long time ago.
Originally posted by zopzopBecause those canisters weren't enough to get him from his starved state to satiated.
How was he starving if he was absorbing the PC in the canisters that were floating around him? He was starving for sure after he unleashed that blast (that Nova and Annihilus survived).
Great feat for them.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah and Galactus was likewise ineffective against Tyrant till Galactus CHEATED first and used his machines. Sucks for Galactus that Tyrant had more control over them thanks to his Technopathy and fxxked Galactus over badly.
Actually, Galactus' first blast caused Tyrant to cry out in pain while Tyrant's first attack barely affected Galactus at all. We then later leaned that this new version of Tyrant is further empowered by Galactus' own energy.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah that flowery language is nice, but we've seen Galactus bleed, be poisoned, starve (during the Annihilation event when he was deprived of food, he was all wrinkly and parched), and die.All Prof. Stuart did with his "attack" was attempt to BFR Galactus in the timestream. Stoic was suggesting something completely different like freezing time.
True, but atleast as many incidents have shown Galactus as being something more.
So you don't call a BFR that would throw Galactus violently through the timestream for a attack? And why exactly should a freeze time line of approach work, when the line of approach of utiilzing time as a weapon against Galactus so far have failed? What Abstract level entity exactly have RKT utilized a time freeze on with success, I'll admit it's been some time since I read the comic.
Originally posted by Utrigita
True, but atleast as many incidents have shown Galactus as being something more.So you don't call a BFR that would throw Galactus violently through the timestream for a attack? And why exactly should a freeze time line of approach work, when the line of approach of utiilzing time as a weapon against Galactus so far have failed? What Abstract level entity exactly have RKT utilized a time freeze on with success, I'll admit it's been some time since I read the comic.
And Galactus is not an abstract. He's a high end cosmic. There are FAR, FAR too many instances of him displaying humanoid characteristics for him to be called an abstract. Compare him to the likes of TRUE abstracts : Anomaly, Death, Eternity, Infinity, etc.. and you'll see what I mean. Hell, Maelstrom even made it clear during the Cosmos in Collision arc, Galactus isn't an abstract.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah and Galactus was likewise ineffective against Tyrant till Galactus CHEATED first and used his machines. Sucks for Galactus that Tyrant had more control over them thanks to his Technopathy and fxxked Galactus over badly.
So a energy blast that makes a Character cry out in pain now have no effect... that is a new one.
Originally posted by Dampyre
Actually, Galactus' first blast caused Tyrant to cry out in pain while Tyrant's first attack barely affected Galactus at all. We then later leaned that this new version of Tyrant is further empowered by Galactus' own energy.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
They really need to bring Tyrant back.
Originally posted by zopzop
I'm not saying that a time stop would 100% work, I'm just pointing out that Stoic was right in saying BFRing someone into the timestream isn't the same as using a time stop attack against them, that's all.And Galactus is not an abstract. He's a high end cosmic. There are FAR, FAR too many instances of him displaying humanoid characteristics for him to be called an abstract. Compare him to the likes of TRUE abstracts : Anomaly, Death, Eternity, Infinity, etc.. and you'll see what I mean. Hell, Maelstrom even made it clear during the Cosmos in Collision arc, Galactus isn't an abstract.
Yet it's the same principle, whether you use time to age a character or bounce the character into a time stream, time itself is being used in a offensive manner, just like the timeloop against Sphinx demonstrated. And again when exactly did RKT freeze anyone in time, I seriously don't recall. But again schematics, I just think, based on Galactus relation with time utilized in a offensive manner should be enough to safely say that such a attack would have no effect.
And again there is just as many incidents leading to another conclusions, writers have different takes on Galactus role but if you want to call him a high end cosmics that's fine by me, I'll however continue to call him a Abstract in line with what Jack Kirby originally saw Galactus as.
Originally posted by Dampyre
A few major corrections:1. Thanos did not harm Galactus at all by his own admission. I'm not sure you want to bring up Thanos anyway, considering how he was able to wade through Odin's EP like water and battle him for an extended period of time.
2. Tyrant was totally ineffective against Galactus in their second meeting until he used G's machines to suck all the power out of him. Also, Galactus straight up defeated a much moire powerful version of Tyrant a long time ago.
3. The Fallen one attacked Galactus while he was severly weakened and in a healing chamber and was still swatted away in the end. All he did was a little damage to Galactus's gauntlet.
4. Odin lost to Galactus by running into him and being so depleted by it and his mental attack that he could not continue the fight. He had to run into the Destroyer Armor by his own admission.
5. Zeus had the Chaos King and thousands of gods inside him. His power was seriosuly boosed in that story. Bringin up that writer's quote can open up a can of worms.
Your post is so biased that it's a joke, really. You should not let your like or dislike of a character influence you so much.
1. My use of Thanos was to show how much power it would take to launch Galactus, and how much defense it would take to defy him, even if for moments. Rune King is much greater than Odin.
2. Zopzop do you believe that Tyrant was ineffective against Galactus? Well I don't believe it for a second. After all why did Galactus even bother to feed before the battle if Tyrant was going to be ineffective against him? You may also be allowing your mind to create a situation that your eyes did not see. FP Tyrant lost off panel, so for all we know Galactus may have used the nullifier on him to reduce a great deal of his power, because any other reasoning would be ridiculous after seeing how much trouble DP Tyrant gave him even before technopathy entered the equation.
3. My point was that the Fallen One was able to harm Galactus showing his vulnerabilities. Galactus is a helium balloon in that he loses steam at a very fast rate. It wasn't a low ball attempt please steer away from that idea, because that was not my intent here. Power Sets, and curses/weaknesses must be acknowledged.
4. The battle was equal in terms of Odin holding his own. If Galactus was as superior as you may be trying to indicate, he would have easily overcome Odin, which is not what happened.
5. The writer said that it was a minor upgrade, so let's not make it into more than what the writer made it out to be. Buy it or stand aside. Never assume what I like or dislike. I like Galactus. It's comments like that which will piss me off.
Like I said, I have given enough examples to support my stance without having to resort to under handed tactics such as low balling Galactus, or appearing to hate the character. By my own admission, I actually like the character a lot.
Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that he absorbed that he tanked and absorbed that blast right? You also must remember this scene right?
You remember he screamed ARRRRRGH as Galactus blasted him through the side of his ship right? But again I guess that the blast had no effect... except ofcause almost make Tyrant doubt his course of action... Yes absolutely no effect at all...
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg
And just a question, since you seem to be so fond of asking them, why could Tyrant absorb Galactus blasts when he was unable to do so the first time they fought?
Originally posted by Utrigita
You remember he screamed ARRRRRGH as Galactus blasted him through the side of his ship right? But again I guess that the blast had no effect... except ofcause almost make Tyrant doubt his course of action... Yes absolutely no effect at all...http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg
And just a question, since you seem to be so fond of asking them, why could Tyrant absorb Galactus blasts when he was unable to do so the first time they fought?
2) Why, if Galactus can summon the UN to his hand like he did during the Abraxas arc, didn't he use this ability when Reed threatened him with it the first time they met? Or when Morg had it in his hand and he ordered Morg to hand it over? See my point? Marz was the creator of Tyrant and did the Cosmic Powers series. Later Lackey took over. Different writers, different views of the character.
Originally posted by zopzop
1)It did have no effect because it did no lasting damage to him. He just absorbed a blast from a Galactus, that in his OWN words, hadn't felt this powerful in ages. That's why Galactus stopped blasting him and resorted to physical attacks. Then when those didn't work, he panicked and resorted to his tech. Then he almost died.2) Why, if Galactus can summon the UN to his hand like he did during the Abraxas arc, didn't he use this ability when Reed threatened him with it the first time they met? Or when Morg had it in his hand and he ordered Morg to hand it over? See my point? Marz was the creator of Tyrant and did the Cosmic Powers series. Later Lackey took over. Different writers, different views of the character.
Imo it's flatout wrong to state that something had no effect when it on panel had a very clear effect, The Godblast against Juggarnaut had no effect, if you hit superman it would have no effect, but having a Character blown through the side a ship screaming in pain, I'm sorry but in my book that is having a effect. That the attack in itself did no lasting damage against Tyrant is true, but to say that Tyrant tanked it when he obviously didn't is wrong. Atleast from my perspective.
I figured that since you was the guy that made Tyrant respect thread you would have a possible answer. My mistake.
