Originally posted by Utrigita
Imo it's flatout wrong to state that something had no effect when it on panel had a very clear effect, The Godblast against Juggarnaut had no effect, if you hit superman it would have no effect, but having a Character blown through the side a ship screaming in pain, I'm sorry but in my book that is having a effect. That the attack in itself did no lasting damage against Tyrant is true, but to say that Tyrant tanked it when he obviously didn't is wrong. Atleast from my perspective.I figured that since you was the guy that made Tyrant respect thread you would have a possible answer. My mistake.
OK so it affected Tyrant, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Tyrant hurt Galactus. Also if written correctly, the more power Galactus expends the faster he becomes weak. Galactus does not increase in power, he is always in ebb. Any large power should in fact make Galactus flee after a given amount of time waged in war. Galactus is a cosmic parasite. This is not me taking a cheap shot, but more the acknowledgment of how his powers work, and what he is.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Imo it's flatout wrong to state that something had no effect when it on panel had a very clear effect, The Godblast against Juggarnaut had no effect, if you hit superman it would have no effect, but having a Character blown through the side a ship screaming in pain, I'm sorry but in my book that is having a effect. That the attack in itself did no lasting damage against Tyrant is true, but to say that Tyrant tanked it when he obviously didn't is wrong. Atleast from my perspective.I figured that since you was the guy that made Tyrant respect thread you would have a possible answer. My mistake.
Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Yes, RKT is above Odin but not as some exaggerate. For example, I don't see RKT defeating a Celestial. Do you?BTW, the Lakeshow is reloaded and ready for another title run, Guy!
The Rune King pulled Loki's head off as easily as he would pluck a flower, and Loki was amped up to Sky Father level, yet RK Thor treated him like a low meta. Thor at that point was well above Odin in power. As for the Celestial question, Galactus at average levels can't beat every Celestial himself, so I don't see why Rune King Thor could not defeat one of the minor Celestials.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Rune King pulled Loki's head off as easily as he would pluck a flower, and Loki was amped up to Sky Father level, yet RK Thor treated him like a low meta. Thor at that point was well above Odin in power. As for the Celestial question, Galactus at average levels can't beat every Celestial himself, so I don't see why Rune King Thor could not defeat one of the minor Celestials.
👆 Yeah definatly agree he could probably defeat exitar do a bit more than what classic thor did etc..
Originally posted by Stoic
The Rune King pulled Loki's head off as easily as he would pluck a flower, and Loki was amped up to Sky Father level, yet RK Thor treated him like a low meta. Thor at that point was well above Odin in power. As for the Celestial question, Galactus at average levels can't beat every Celestial himself, so I don't see why Rune King Thor could not defeat one of the minor Celestials.
Originally posted by Stoic
OK so it affected Tyrant, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Tyrant hurt Galactus. Also if written correctly, the more power Galactus expends the faster he becomes weak. Galactus does not increase in power, he is always in ebb. Any large power should in fact make Galactus flee after a given amount of time waged in war. Galactus is a cosmic parasite. This is not me taking a cheap shot, but more the acknowledgment of how his powers work, and what he is.
Except Tyrants blast had absolutely no effect against Galactus, so I don't quite see how you end at the crossroad that Tyrant inflicted more damage with his attack then Galactus did.
True, in theory, but just exactly how many times in comics have Galactus when he have engaged in a cosmic battle withdrawn because the amount of energy he used was to great to allow a continued engagement? I frankly can't recall a single incident where energy consumption was the reason.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Except Tyrants blast had absolutely no effect against Galactus, so I don't quite see how you end at the crossroad that Tyrant inflicted more damage with his attack then Galactus did.True, in theory, but just exactly how many times in comics have Galactus when he have engaged in a cosmic battle withdrawn because the amount of energy he used was to great to allow a continued engagement? I frankly can't recall a single incident where energy consumption was the reason.
Tyrant was just about to gank the shit out of Galactus, so I have no idea which book you were reading.
Oh you don't recall his battle with Mephisto, in which he began to feed on his realm? What would have happened if he didn't have that option? Yep sooner or later he would have had to flee, due to his nature. It's not a technicality, it's how his powers work, or more to the point, his curse. Galactus has horrible stamina, so no mentions of PIS moments to bail him out OK. It's just who he is. A helium balloon with a slow leak.
Originally posted by Stoic
Tyrant was just about to gank the shit out of Galactus, so I have no idea which book you were reading.Oh you don't recall his battle with Mephisto, in which he began to feed on his realm? What would have happened if he didn't have that option? Yep sooner or later he would have had to flee, due to his nature. It's not a technicality, it's how his powers work, or more to the point, his curse. Galactus has horrible stamina, so no mentions of PIS moments to bail him out OK. It's just who he is. A helium balloon with a slow leak.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He only started feeding Meph's realm because the Surfer suggested it to him , as doing so would have broken their stalemate . He didn't feed on it , because his energy reserves were depleting or he was on the losing side of their battle .
Galactus is always losing energy, or he would not feed, let's not split hairs when we both know that he is always in survival mode. He also taps further into his reserves when in battle, or he would not have fed on a planet in preparation for his battle with Tyrant.
It may have been a stalemate breaker, but if the battle had continued for long enough, he would have began to become weaker, and Mephisto would have remained at the same level of power that he was at from the dawn of their battle. What does that tell you? It tells me that if they were at the point of a stalemate, and Galactus depletes his reserves, that he would have eventually gotten trashed by Mephisto.
Originally posted by Stoic
Tyrant was just about to gank the shit out of Galactus, so I have no idea which book you were reading.Oh you don't recall his battle with Mephisto, in which he began to feed on his realm? What would have happened if he didn't have that option? Yep sooner or later he would have had to flee, due to his nature. It's not a technicality, it's how his powers work, or more to the point, his curse. Galactus has horrible stamina, so no mentions of PIS moments to bail him out OK. It's just who he is. A helium balloon with a slow leak.
Isn't we comparing what amount of effect each respective blast had, or are we discussing the fight as a whole?
So let me get this straight, He fought Tenebrous, Aegis, Inbetweener, Agamotto, Thanos w/IG, The Galactus Engine, The Four Celestials, Odin, Zeus, FP Tyrant, Sphinx, High Evolutionary, Ego, The Other and Scrier, and didn't in one of these cases back down because a lack of energy, and I was under the impression that he began to feast on Mephistos realm more to break the stalemate (as suggested by Surfer in order to safe the universe), but still does one incident with Mephisto trumph the rest? Not imo, but to each his own.
I agree that feeding is his nature, that much is obvious, but to say that his energy consumption is a huge factor in a fight I simply can't agree with, based on how it have been portrayed in the fights itself. Sure Galactus burns energy but far from in a alarming rate, which is also why he can go for a month with the energy required from each planet.
Originally posted by Stoic
Galactus is always losing energy, or he would not feed, let's not split hairs when we both know that he is always in survival mode. He also taps further into his reserves when in battle, or he would not have fed on a planet in preparation for his battle with Tyrant.It may have been a stalemate breaker, but if the battle had continued for long enough, he would have began to become weaker, and Mephisto would have remained at the same level of power that he was at from the dawn of their battle. What does that tell you? It tells me that if they were at the point of a stalemate, and Galactus depletes his reserves, that he would have eventually gotten trashed by Mephisto.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Isn't we comparing what amount of effect each respective blast had, or are we discussing the fight as a whole?So let me get this straight, He fought Tenebrous, Aegis, Inbetweener, Agamotto, Thanos w/IG, The Galactus Engine, The Four Celestials, Odin, Zeus, FP Tyrant, Sphinx, High Evolutionary, Ego, The Other and Scrier, and didn't in one of these cases back down because a lack of energy, and I was under the impression that he began to feast on Mephistos realm more to break the stalemate (as suggested by Surfer in order to safe the universe), but still does one incident with Mephisto trumph the rest? Not imo, but to each his own.
I agree that feeding is his nature, that much is obvious, but to say that his energy consumption is a huge factor in a fight I simply can't agree with, based on how it have been portrayed in the fights itself. Sure Galactus burns energy but far from in a alarming rate, which is also why he can go for a month with the energy required from each planet.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
During Zeus' and Sphinx's battle , Galactus was already in a hungry/starving state though .
True, but was there any mentioning or hint of Galactus losing power at a alarming rate in these confrontations? Not as I recall.
Which is my point, Galactus loses energy sure, no doubt about it, but have that energy consumption been shown as having a impact on Galactus abilities to fight prolonged battles against equal or superior foes? Not imo. Sure he feeds before certain battles, but in just as many cases he doesn't. Ultimately the amount of energy that Galactus burns out in the fighting isn't hinted at. Which is why I think that trying to impose such idea on Galactus fighting is speculative at best, when we have no proof or idea of just how much energy Galactus actually loses in a confrontation.
I stand corrected there is the Phoenix situation where Galactus loses energy.