Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals

Started by whobdamandog7 pages

And the beat goes on..

The illustration above posted by PVS wasn't even from a scientific journal..the text at the bottom of the picture indicates that the picture was generated by a New York Times' artist...🙄

This same deceptive strategy was used when presenting "Java Man" and the "Neanderthals" years ago. A picture was drawn by a newspaper artist, which wasn't based on any skeletal remains. I believe with Java Man the an entire picture was contrived just from a tooth..a freaking tooth!!

Again more of the same silly drivel, meant to confuse..and keep people believing that Darwin's theory has some sort of validity to it.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
And the beat goes on..

The illustration above posted by PVS wasn't even from a scientific journal..the text at the bottom of the picture indicates that the picture was generated by a New York Times' artist...🙄

This same deceptive strategy was used when presenting "Java Man" and the "Neanderthals" years ago. A picture was drawn by a newspaper artist, which wasn't based on any skeletal remains. I believe with Java Man the an entire picture was contrived just from a tooth..a freaking tooth!!

Again more of the same silly drivel, meant to confuse..and keep people believing that Darwin's theory has some sort of validity to it.

Probably another hoax. 😆

“The coelacanth appears not to have changed in over a hundred millions years,” despite evolutionary time calculations, he said."

So have many other species. Some animals are perfectly adapted to their enviroment. The shark, or the alligator for example, have not changed the slightest for millions of years.

Yet, we still need a new vaccine every year for ever-changing viruses.

Holy shit, how can that be!? Evolution is a bunch of crap! PFFT. Screw your vaccines!

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Yet, we still need a new vaccine every year for ever-changing viruses.

Does a virus ever evolve into anything other than a virus? ❌

Anyway. I think I've made my point.

We'll see what the tests find in the next couple of months. I'm still thinking archaic walking fish. But we'll see.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Does a virus ever evolve into anything other than a virus? ❌

According to evolution a virus can possibly become a horse. 😆

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
According to evolution a virus can possibly become a horse. 😆

Given enough time. ✅

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Does a virus ever evolve into anything other than a virus? ❌

Anyway. I think I've made my point.

We'll see what the tests find in the next couple of months. I'm still thinking archaic walking fish. But we'll see.

No, you haven't. Evolving into a completely different species takes millions of years.

However, evolving to better survive your enviroment is still part of evolution.

You're never ever going to completely disprove evolution. Noone will. And the best part is, with science, anything that has been disproven is thrown away and replaced with more current and reliable information.

On the other hand, there's creationism. "Well, we can't explain this bit so...God did it. Yea. Write that down."

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Given enough time. ✅

Right, I mean according to doctor who ( he's seen evolution first hand) fish became quadrupeds by swimming in shallow water and randomly mutated, Seriously how do you know it takes millions of years if... oh wait you speculate and speculation isn't evidence 😆

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Right, I mean according to doctor who ( he's seen evolution first hand) fish became quadrupeds by swimming in shallow water and randomly mutated, Seriously how do you know it takes millions of years if... oh wait you speculate and speculation isn't evidence 😆

So what you are saying is because I wasn't there, I can't have any idea what happened. So, sense you were also not there, you can't say anything either. The truth is, you would make a very bad detective.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So what you are saying is because I wasn't there, I can't have any idea what happened. So, sense you were also not there, you can't say anything either. The truth is, you would make a very bad detective.

What poor logic, so because i wasn't there it happened?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
What poor logic, so because i wasn't there it happened?

Most detectives were not at the crime sense. If they followed your line of thinking, no crimes would ever be salved.

ht, I mean according to doctor who ( he's seen evolution first hand) fish became quadrupeds by swimming in shallow water and randomly mutated, Seriously how do you know it takes millions of years if... oh wait you speculate and speculation isn't evidence

Actually it's not called speculation. A scientist has data. He forms a hypothesis on that data. From there the hypothesis is looked at, tested, proved or disapproved. That is something of a scientific process.

Just because the good doctor wasn't there doesn't mean it is impossible to know it happened. I can write a paper on 3rd century Roman politics despite not being there. You know why? Because the passage of time, and event, anything, leaves evidence. Sometimes a little. Sometimes a lot. From that it is possible to build theories, test them. Sometimes they will stand up to the test, sometimes they wont. It is absurd to take the line "well, it can't be true because no one was there" You see, that is where science differs from mere opinion, faith, whatever. It is about scientifically plausible theories which are constantly challenged scientifically. They don't stand up to them they are removed, they do and they can be considered reliable, maybe even proven.

Now, as to it taking millions of years, let me do this simply (not chronologically accurate I know). Scientists know roughly how old the earth if. Let us say for the first 50 million years there are no land animals - only fossils of sea creatures. However fossils towards the end of this period are starting to show some basic differences to those towards the beginning. Then say another 3 million years later, we start getting animals with basic legs who bare some similarities to fossils of sea creatures (especially those who had been showing differences.) What does this tell us? It takes millions of years for such major changes to occur.

The illustration above posted by PVS wasn't even from a scientific journal..the text at the bottom of the picture indicates that the picture was generated by a New York Times' artist...

This same deceptive strategy was used when presenting "Java Man" and the "Neanderthals" years ago. A picture was drawn by a newspaper artist, which wasn't based on any skeletal remains. I believe with Java Man the an entire picture was contrived just from a tooth..a freaking tooth!!

Again more of the same silly drivel, meant to confuse..and keep people believing that Darwin's theory has some sort of validity to it.

You are really a bit paranoid. It's not meant to be viewed as a real life picture. It is a diagram. A pictorial explanation of something people might not understand. You know, have you ever opened a science book? See a diagram of the solar system? The human body? The precipitation process? The nitrogen cycle? All 100% proven things? They will look like that. They will be done by artists to be used to aid peoples understanding of what is being said. It's not some conspiracy. It's not a form of brain washing. It is a valid learning aid for those people who prefer to understand the theory on offer and why it is such a strong theory - instead of remaining ignorant about a theory have little clear understanding of. And they will be used by the media who do articles on things such as this, so the readers will have some idea about what is going on.

And once again, if you bother to learn a bit about biology you would discover a great deal can be learnt from a single tooth, and it is possible to hypothesise about what the owner of the tooth looked like. Hypothesise, not prove, but plenty of times they hypothesis has been proven when later evidence comes to light.

According to evolution a virus can possibly become a horse.

No, that is not right. And it shows ignorance in regards to the actual evolutionary process. Evolution is not about something (like a flower) suddenly changing into something else (like a girl with red hair.) But a virus does evolve. Just because it hasn't become a duck does not mean it hasn't. It has to evolve to survive. It mutates and become more virulent, more infectious, able to infect different species, has a different incubation period, more robust etc. On a small scale it would be mere mutation, but when it is the whole viral strain, well, that could be considered some form of evolution. If the bird flu mutates constantly to become more infectious to humans it could be seen as evolving to better exist.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
And the beat goes on..

The illustration above posted by PVS wasn't even from a scientific journal..the text at the bottom of the picture indicates that the picture was generated by a New York Times' artist...🙄

Ah, the New York Times, which has been overtly administration supportive in the last four or five years. You spit the name NY Times, without even realizing they have been hijacked by the very people you support.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
This same deceptive strategy was used when presenting "Java Man" and the "Neanderthals" years ago. A picture was drawn by a newspaper artist, which wasn't based on any skeletal remains. I believe with Java Man the an entire picture was contrived just from a tooth..a freaking tooth!!

Again more of the same silly drivel, meant to confuse..and keep people believing that Darwin's theory has some sort of validity to it.

Ah, so, there are more fossils with ricketts? Pictures drawn, rarely hold up to scientific scrutiny. Too bad scientists don't base their findings off drawings, like you and your kind. Which, you wish to provid as scientific fact. But, there have been few scientists that take the spoken word as fact without debate and study. Only people who are affraid of the end result are contesting the findings. Sounds like you, doesn't it?

Although, as Sithsabre said, in five years..after the bible thumping revolution...it'll be called an alligator.

Originally posted by Council#13
Good lord, we're decendants of giant-headed fish with weird fins!!!!
Can someone explain to me HOW a fish can lead to a mammal? I mean, I always thought we came from a central source of bateria that broke off of each other, each one creating the different branches of animals: insects, birds, fish, reptiles, and mammals.

Not too wrong. A single universal ancestor (bacteria or something) which diverged at some point and which, theoretically, all life could be traced back to is one possible theory in the evolutionary process. However it didn't diverge so clearly at the time into recognisable kindoms of life (birds, fish etc) - that came later, and some of them came from older families (the theory that birds are descended from dinosaurs which came from reptiles which evolved from etc.) And some familes which might not even remain. As others have said kind of a web like pattern, forks, links all that jazz.

Although, as Sithsabre said, in five years..after the bible thumping revolution...it'll be called an alligator.

Not just an alligator, an alligator with an ingrown toe nail and arthritis which led to it looking nothing like an alligator. Don't worry Tiktaalik, I'll remember the truth.

Imperial Samurai you're some sort of genius. 😛

Imperial samurai I'm not debating evolution as a theory,I'm debating those who believe it's a fact. Evolution is a theory not a fact and until proven otherwise it will remain so. Macro evolution,common ancestry, and etc are theories that have not been proven, I dunno how many times I've said this. Know one knows if evolution happened for sure,they only speculate that it did. We can debate this forever but speculation is never evidence, I don't believe evolution happened but it could have,since know one has been alive for millions we cannot observe it, we can only speculate.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Imperial samurai I'm not debating evolution as a theory,I'm debating those who believe it's a fact. Evolution is a theory not a fact and until proven otherwise it will remain so. Macro evolution,common ancestry, and etc are theories that have not been proven, I dunno how many times I've said this. Know one knows if evolution happened for sure,they only speculate that it did. We can debate this forever but speculation is never evidence, I don't believe evolution happened but it could have,since know one has been alive for millions we cannot observe it, we can only speculate.

Ah, but that's the thing. At what point will a person accept a theory? Some say that every scientific theory, from gravity onwards, is just that, a theory - but at some point a theory becomes so plausible, so supported by facts one can accept it as the most likely answer.

Does this mean it wont change? No. Does this mean it wont be abandoned all together in the future? No. But a theory can reach that point where it can be claimed a fact, even if the small print says "thought there is a small chance this is not completely correct"

Now, from what I have seen in the thread, and others like it there is a group, often the "Intelligent Design" lobby who scoff and sneer and purposely misinterpret the whole thing. Nothing less then getting a badger, sitting it before them, and having it spontaneously evolve into a cheesecake could convince them. What am I saying, even that probably wouldn't be enough.

For me I think there is plenty of proof for evolution. I believe it occurred. I look at the theory and I say without fear "This is the most plausible, most evidenced, most accurate theory available on the origins of life" - no other theory comes close. ID is a void that refuses to offer any proof, it relies on trying to pick holes in Evolution to maintain itself (and does this poorly.) Most other theories on the subject have been disproved or are fringe (like aliens seeded us.) I will consider the fringe theories, but they almost have as little evidence as ID. Yes, evolution is a theory. But it is a theory that again and again has stood up to challenges. It again and again offers the most scientifically likely explanation.

Now you seem to know something of the scientific process - it is not speculation. It is a theory based upon what the evidence has revealed. It is a hypothesis that is still being tested which has not been disproved. That is enough to be able to say "strongly plausible." I can speculate the sky is blue because pixies coloured it so. I could speculate God made it blue. Science however had a theory. A hypothesis. They tested it, and revealed the cause People at the time probably scoffed and said "refracting light?" Same with evolution. It might not be 100% yet. It might never be, but it is still very strong.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
According to evolution a virus can possibly become a horse. 😆

that would be highly unlikely since viruses are of a comletely different classification than archaea, prokariya and eukariya. Viruses are successful enough as parasites and do not rely on any kind of symbiosis for success and do not respire or consume anything for food, therefore the only evolutionary advances that are advantagous for viruses are different protein coat configurations and shapes. It would in no way be advantageous for viruses to combine into tissue because they don't have any food or oxygen to share evenly.

oh, and if aliens seeded us, we'd still have to evolve into humans. snap.

isn't the whole, antievolutionary debate based on some self-serving arogant idea that humans aren't animals and are somehow better and more entitled to everything else? Forgive me for going all biblical and apocryphal but that sounds pretty satanic to me.

there's no point arguing with them. im convinced that fundamentalists of all religions are evil, and would do the world a favor by...not breathing