SW Battlefield Circuit: PT Era

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I agree, but one question why would mace and his troops burn the forest? It just makes no sense.

Because if you destroy the trees and surrounding vegitation than the Wookies will have no foilage to blend in with and hide among.

I highly doubt that burning the forest would be a tactic that they would try.

Getting rid of the one advantage the wookies had would help greatly, I think.

Yes, flush the Wookies into the open, then obliterate them...

Exactly. Without cover the Wookies will get gunend down by the heavy repeating blasters.

The Clones risk burning down their own facilities and bunkers.

You can control fires ya know. And when I say burn I dont literally mean use firw, they can use lasers, cut them down, anything really.

Lets not use burning of the trees as a strategy, there is a reason why this is planet Endor. If we wanted an open war we would have picked Dantooine.

The environment can be used as the general sees fit. Don't put any limitations on it.

Let's have a look.

Yoda / Wookies / Bowcasters:
- Yoda pocesses Battle Meditation and had enough skill to turn a "suicide mission" into a victory on Kashyyyk
- the Wookies learn how to fight / hunt / survive in a forrest / jungle enviroment at the age of 12, can move rather fast through trees and are pretty strong
- bowcasters may seem primitive but on short range (30-50 metres) they are more devastating and more accurate than a normal blaster (according to the New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology) and you can fire multiple shots (up to 5 as far as I remember - shown in Jedi Knight) at once giving that thing a nice "shotgun" effect.

Mace / Clone Troopers / Repeaters:
- the only advantage Mace might have here is his Shatterpoint ability which he possibly can use to figure out weakpoints in enemy tactics / lines.
- the Clone Troopers are basically just trained to fight and have superior technology
- the Repeater rifles (at least if we talk about the "Imperial Heavy Repeaters"😉 have a very high firing rate but that tends to result in a lack of accuracy and destructive power.

So...we have:
Generals: Yoda > Mace (battle meditation and superior experience, not to forget that he trained Windu)
Troops: Wookies > Clone Troopers (at least in a forrest enviroment; if the Clones manage to get the Wookies out of the forrest - which might be impossible on Endor - it's the other way arround)
Weapons / technology: Clones have an advantage in technology (AT-ST / AT-AT like walkers / speeders) and have a weapon advantage on greater distances (which might be the other way arround when fighting on closer range and especially melee combat where the Wookies have an advantage).

I'd say Yoda takes that fight because he seems to be the better commander, has battle meditation to support his troops and his troops do have the terrain advantage. If Mace decides to let his Clones burn the entire forrest down he might win this but I don't see him doing that somehow.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Let's have a look.

Yoda / Wookies / Bowcasters:
- Yoda pocesses Battle Meditation and had enough skill to turn a "suicide mission" into a victory on Kashyyyk
- the Wookies learn how to fight / hunt / survive in a forrest / jungle enviroment at the age of 12, can move rather fast through trees and are pretty strong
- bowcasters may seem primitive but on short range (30-50 metres) they are more devastating and more accurate than a normal blaster (according to the New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology) and you can fire multiple shots (up to 5 as far as I remember - shown in Jedi Knight) at once giving that thing a nice "shotgun" effect.

Mace / Clone Troopers / Repeaters:
- the only advantage Mace might have here is his Shatterpoint ability which he possibly can use to figure out weakpoints in enemy tactics / lines.
- the Clone Troopers are basically just trained to fight and have superior technology
- the Repeater rifles (at least if we talk about the "Imperial Heavy Repeaters"😉 have a very high firing rate but that tends to result in a lack of accuracy and destructive power.

So...we have:
Generals: Yoda > Mace (battle meditation and superior experience, not to forget that he trained Windu)
Troops: Wookies > Clone Troopers (at least in a forrest enviroment; if the Clones manage to get the Wookies out of the forrest - which might be impossible on Endor - it's the other way arround)
Weapons / technology: Clones have an advantage in technology (AT-ST / AT-AT like walkers / speeders) and have a weapon advantage on greater distances (which might be the other way arround when fighting on closer range and especially melee combat where the Wookies have an advantage).

I'd say Yoda takes that fight because he seems to be the better commander, has battle meditation to support his troops and his troops do have the terrain advantage. If Mace decides to let his Clones burn the entire forrest down he might win this but I don't see him doing that somehow.

Ha;d of the stuff you just said I said earlier in my post, lol. And Mace would be a fool not to get rid of the Wookies main advantage. ANy that wookie that gets caught in the open will get detsroyed, even with their superior fighting techniques, which I agree on Borberad.

Hydra, your post was good, and well thought out. Same with you, Borbarad, but there is one factor that you did not count in, the fact that Mace and the clones are defending. This isn't a wookiee hunt by the clones, this is the clones holding up a fortress while the wookiees try to break in and kill them. It would be easy to defend a fortress using heavy repeaters, anything that gets within range, you mow it down. Double that with the greater technology, using large turrets and the like, the wookiees have a serious problem. Yoda's battle meditation would make it a close fight, and help the wookiees significantly, but I think the clones would emerge victorious.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Hydra, your post was good, and well thought out. Same with you, Borbarad, but there is one factor that you did not count in, the fact that Mace and the clones are defending. This isn't a wookiee hunt by the clones, this is the clones holding up a fortress while the wookiees try to break in and kill them. It would be easy to defend a fortress using heavy repeaters, anything that gets within range, you mow it down. Double that with the greater technology, using large turrets and the like, the wookiees have a serious problem. Yoda's battle meditation would make it a close fight, and help the wookiees significantly, but I think the clones would emerge victorious.

I did facor that in, I think. If Mace is stupid enough to let the vegitation surrounding the compound live, than the Wookies can easily mount ambushes from the cover of the trees. And I doubt 2000 Clones can all fit within a 1 block radius. The Wookies, using guerrila tactics, can take out the drifters of the clones, the ones to far out of the perimiter, and launch various bombs and such. Yoda's meditation would greatly help here, but I agree that it will be much, much harder to attack, than to defend. The casualties will be high, but I think if Yoda plays smart he can win.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
The environment can be used as the general sees fit. Don't put any limitations on it.

And who will decide what the general should do?

As for the fight, I agree the wookies are IMO better defenders than attackers, but that does not make them weaker. As for Mace, he can see weak points on the battlefield, but what? Is he going to inform the commanders from inside the bunker? Remember, both generals are not frontline attackers/defenders.

Meh, I think Jango should have been a general IMO.

But on topic, maybe the Wookies "beserk" might come in handy? The Wookies are on the aggresive in this fight, so maybe if they stay enranged an aggressed, they could close the distance between them and the clones and... rip them apart with their bare hands. If, however, Mace isolates a clear distance in some good choke points, I don't see the Wookies outgunning the Clones...

This is a cool fight, but I'm giving it to Mace.

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I don't think the wookiee berserk will play a role, even if it does, it'll be a bad one. They will be going crazy and not thinking clearly(I don't know if that will be bad for battle meditation or not, it doesn't seem like it would help) and the adrenaline from their rage won't help them against heavy repeaters.

I think the fight would go something like this:

Mace would use the force to try to see where the wookies are coming from next.
The wookies berserk and charge (possibly interfering with Yoda's battle meditation).

The clones mow them down with heavy repeaters and defence turrets.

Yoda calls off the attack, but because of wookiee pride and battle raging, very few of the wookies retreat, and most are shot down before they are close enough to attack, and the few that follow orders get shot in the back.

Windu either leads a hunt for Yoda and the few remaining wookies with his clones (which are still very numerous) or waits for a desperate sneak attack from Yoda which he will see coming in meditation.

Windu wipes the sweat off his brow and his army is now prepared to fight on Hoth, due to their new fur coats.

Thats IF he uses beserk. ANd I think that the fur coats was a nice touch. Witty.

Really, once the Wookies get in close range with Beserk AND Battle Meditation the clones have no prayer.

Read what I said, Ocelot. Rage won't help them against heavy repeaters. Berserk may interfere with battle meditation (no evidence, just seems logical to me). How will the wookies get close if the clones are defending a base with turrets and heavy repeaters?