Originally posted by Borbarad
How is Quinlan Vos a "fallible third party" as he has experienced Oppo Rancicis using the very same ability in the Battle of Saleucami, huh ?How is the "Master Yoda went into a battle meditation" a metaphor ? Oh...the "we became his lightsabers" is ? Does that affect the first part of the sentence: No. Does Quinlan say that because of the general strong bond between a Jedi and his lightsaber (quote Obi-Wan from AotC: "This weapon is your life !"😉 ? Apparently: Yes.
Can it be that you're again talking out of your ass with your great skills of literature interpretation that enable you to turn a "forced to watch" used as description for persons that just got hit by a freezing spell into "OMG ! Exar Kun did mind-controll the entire Senate, and the Chancellor ! And he made them turn their heads to see what he does. Da narrator says so !" ? Seems like this is the case.
You've got a point, so Quinlan Vos actually said "Master Yoda went into Battle Meditation"? If so why would anyone try to downplay the quote as a fallible?
How is Quinlan Vos a "fallible third party"
Because he's neither God nor omniscient.
How is the "Master Yoda went into a battle meditation" a metaphor ? Oh...the "we became his lightsabers" is ? Does that affect the first part of the sentence:
It calls into question the veracity of the entire sentence especially when placed into context: you've provided no other evidence of Yoda's battle meditation. If anything, there should at least be a portrayal of the effect of said meditation on the battle. You've not provided it. Until you do, it is questionable at best.
Does Quinlan say that because of the general strong bond between a Jedi and his lightsaber (quote Obi-Wan from AotC: "This weapon is your life !"😉 ? Apparently: Yes.
Nai Fohl's unsupported assertions are not Star Wars canon. Sorry.
Can it be that you're again talking out of your ass with your great skills of literature interpretation that enable you to turn a "forced to watch" used as description for persons that just got hit by a freezing spell into "OMG ! Exar Kun did mind-controll the entire Senate, and the Chancellor ! And he made them turn their heads to see what he does. Da narrator says so !" ? Seems like this is the case.
Oh, is this the same assertion that you've consistently failed to counter?
This coming from the guy that applies nonsensical attributes from other fictional worlds to Star Wars on the basis of no evidence whatsoever (magic "rituals?" I'm still laughing about that one).
Originally posted by tdtd
My question is IKC, how is it that we are supposed to assume that Kun controlled the senate when the author said they were frozen, but we can't assume Yoda had battle meditation because an "infallible third party" said it?
Quinlin Vas is not an "infallible third party".
He clearly states that Yoda used Battle Meditation. He is a Jedi Knight. Does it not make sense that he would know what Battle Meditation was?
How you can argue with the comic is beyond me.
Originally posted by tdtd
You've got a point, so Quinlan Vos actually said "Master Yoda went into Battle Meditation"? If so why would anyone try to downplay the quote as a fallible?
Here...the narration is done by Quinlan Vos:
"Master Yoda went into a battle meditation and we became his lightsabers."
@IKC
Because he's neither God nor omniscient.
You still ignore that he witnessed Oppo Rancisis using Battle Meditation during the Battle of Saleucami. He knows the technique and so he can recognize it. Period.
It calls into question the veracity of the entire sentence especially when placed into context: you've provided no other evidence of Yoda's battle meditation. If anything, there should at least be a portrayal of the effect of said meditation on the battle. You've not provided it. Until you do, it is questionable at best.
I don't need more evidence. You have nothing to contradict the statement of a fully trained PT Jedi about force techniques. Period.
Nai Fohl's unsupported assertions are not Star Wars canon. Sorry.
"This weapon is you life !" What is more "canon" than the movies ? Unless you get Lucas himself coming here and saying that a lightsaber doesn't matter for a Jedi you again have nothing to contradict the idea. And by the way: Notice how this is coming from the guy that tries to question a Jedi's comment on force techniques.
is this the same assertion that you've consistently failed to counter?
No. It's the same assertion nobody did agree with since it was coming from Mr. TOTJ Fanboy IKC and was so far-fetched that another person might need a hyperdrive to reach the same conclusion out of that sentence.
ou still ignore that he witnessed Oppo Rancisis using Battle Meditation during the Battle of Saleucami. He knows the technique and so he can recognize it. Period.
And then he makes a metaphor which calls into question his entire statement.
That and this is your only evidence of his use of the ability, it seems.
I don't need more evidence. You have nothing to contradict the statement of a fully trained PT Jedi about force techniques. Period.
Other than that his statement is obviously a metaphor and you have no other evidence of Yoda's use of the ability or even evidence of the ability in action? Right.
"This weapon is you life !" What is more "canon" than the movies ? Unless you get Lucas himself coming here and saying that a lightsaber doesn't matter for a Jedi you again have nothing to contradict the idea. And by the way: Notice how this is coming from the guy that tries to question a Jedi's comment on force techniques.
This is nice and all, but apparently you don't understand how your irrelevant misdirection has no bearing on whether or not the narrator was making a metaphor.
He did not literally become a lightsaber. Thus, he was making a metaphor. QED.
No. It's the same assertion nobody did agree with since it was coming from Mr. TOTJ Fanboy IKC and was so far-fetched that another person might need a hyperdrive to reach the same conclusion out of that sentence.
Appeal to ridicule is a logical fallacy.
Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy.
It's the same assertion that Illustrious said I "had a point, however far-fetched" on?
Yeah, that's the one. The one you've never been successful in countering. The one where you'd have to prove that every being in the chamber was looking in the same direction to counter.
Good one.
Originally posted by tdtd
Answer my question IKC, how can you call whatever his name is, a fallible 3rd party when he is aware of the technique, making him a credible source, then turn around and say that Kun controlled the senate when it appeared nothing like it and wasn't stated anywhere. Sounds like bias to me.
I agree, stop trying to argue Master Yoda's Battle Meditation technique. This thread was heading the right direction until these useless arguments spilled in. Don't contradict a credible source. Move on...