Right and if you recall, he did NOT create the force storm at the same time as dueling with Luke. If it does indeed take him a mere seconds to create it, he is not doing it while fighting. You'd have to have unparalleled concentration to do something like that.
And I don't know what Force Illumination is, but she was using an elementary form of Battle Meditation
Originally posted by tdtd
Ok but with GV's infallible logic, 1 of DE Luke= Yoda and Mace.. Also what's he going to do whle they're hacking at him, create a force storm and kill everybody including himself? That's assuming he creates one at all.
My logic is infallible in comparison to yours.
DE Luke surpasses Yoda or Mace individually, he wouldnt defeat them both but there isnt that big of a difference.
Sidious wouldnt kill himself, he knows how to control it you know?
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
My logic is infallible in comparison to yours.DE Luke surpasses Yoda or Mace individually, he wouldnt defeat them both but there isnt that big of a difference.
Sidious wouldnt kill himself, he knows how to control it you know?
Sure... Pwnt...I'm not even going to respond to your poor excuse for logic.. Well maybe for another pwning, let's try this again..
For Sidious to control a force storm, he has to concentrate, he can't just snap his fingers and create it. Now when you have 2 powerful force users+saber duelists slashing at you, you are going to lack that concentration.. Now lets say by some miracle he does create a force storm, how is he going to control it without concentration while getting slashed at? Quit while you're behind.
Right and if you recall, he did NOT create the force storm at the same time as dueling with Luke. If it does indeed take him a mere seconds to create it, he is not doing it while fighting. You'd have to have unparalleled concentration to do something like that.
Hm, then the only way Yoda and Sidious would be able to prevent would be instant agression. That's not always the case with Jedi.
If Sidious was not charging his cells in the fight against Luke, then it would only take him maybe 10 seconds at most to conjure it up. Unless Mace and Yoda go aggressive (against the Jedi Code) Sidious will fry them to oblivion.
Originally posted by tdtd
Sure... Pwnt...I'm not even going to respond to your poor excuse for logic.. Well maybe for another pwning, let's try this again..For Sidious to control a force storm, he has to concentrate, he can't just snap his fingers and create it. Now when you have 2 powerful force users+saber duelists slashing at you, you are going to lack that concentration.. Now lets say by some miracle he does create a force storm, how is he going to control it without concentration while getting slashed at? Quit while you're behind.
*sigh*
Sidious *does* have the concentration to summon the storm while defending himself, and once the storm is summoned then its over for Mace and Yoda immediately.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
My logic is infallible in comparison to yours.DE Luke surpasses Yoda or Mace individually, he wouldnt defeat them both but there isnt that big of a difference.
Sidious wouldnt kill himself, he knows how to control it you know?
That is a fallacious statement, DE Luke > Yoda and/or Mace now? Quite understandable as i know your a huge fan of DE, however a ROTJ Luke with only 9 years of training is not going to surpass, a Vaapad Master and a 900 old Revered Grand Master of the Order.
Yes he can control it, however it requires immense concentration and power to do so, thus he will not be able to fend off both Yoda's and Mace's attacks whilst performing his force storm, this meaning he cannot use it without getting slashed into pieces.
GV, i doubt anyone is going to agree with you, thus your comment on your logic being "infallible" is quite amusing. You think DE Sidious > DN Luke, as you specifically stated that DE Sidious is the SW Force God. Indeed a huge logical fallacy.
That is a fallacious statement, DE Luke > Yoda and/or Mace now? Quite understandable as i know your a huge fan of DE, however a ROTJ Luke with only 9 years of training is not going to surpass, a Vaapad Master and a 900 old Revered Grand Master of the Order.
He may not have, but he's still on par with them
Youre assuming Yoda and Mace are going to just stand around and watch the creation of the force storm, and then wait for it to hit them.. Use your head...
Luke did. He didn't know Sidious was summoning one in the first place.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
[b]That is a fallacious statement, DE Luke > Yoda and/or Mace now? Quite understandable as i know your a huge fan of DE, however a ROTJ Luke with only 9 years of training is not going to surpass, a Vaapad Master and a 900 old Revered Grand Master of the Order.He may not have, but he's still on par with them
Youre assuming Yoda and Mace are going to just stand around and watch the creation of the force storm, and then wait for it to hit them.. Use your head...
Luke did. He didn't know Sidious was summoning one in the first place. [/B]
This is irrelevant. This is a versus fight so nobody is going to be standing around and watching.
Originally posted by tdtd
This is irrelevant. This is a versus fight so nobody is going to be standing around and watching.
Arguments arent irrelevent because you dont want them to be.
Yoda and Mace have never seen Sidious' powers before(Ive already covered this) and wouldnt expect a force storm.
Even if you *assume* they did somehow know about it already, your dumbass argument that somehow Yoda and Mace break through Sidious' defense within the 5 seconds it takes to create a force storm is stupid.
Your argument doesnt, and never has, held any water.
And you still havent made your *address*(lol...) to what Mace and Yoda would do against Sidious' wormhole technique. This technique is an instapwn that Mace and Yoda would have no reasonable defense against.
You never had any hope in this debate, tdtd, and the only time you have ever pwned me is in your dreams.
I have to eat dinner, I'll be back on tonight.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Arguments arent irrelevent because you dont want them to be.Yoda and Mace have never seen Sidious' powers before(Ive already covered this) and wouldnt expect a force storm.
Even if you *assume* they did somehow know about it already, your dumbass argument that somehow Yoda and Mace break through Sidious' defense within the 5 seconds it takes to create a force storm is stupid.
Your argument doesnt, and never has, held any water.
And you still havent made your *address*(lol...) to what Mace and Yoda would do against Sidious' wormhole technique. This technique is an instapwn that Mace and Yoda would have no reasonable defense against.
You never had any hope in this debate, tdtd, and the only time you have ever pwned me is in your dreams.
I have to eat dinner, I'll be back on tonight.
I've already proven your argument to be illogical.. Your argument only works if they were in an open field with a great distance between the two, anything else will involve Sidious being either hacked to pieces or the simple attempts to hack him will make it considerably difficult for Sidious to create a force storm.. Don't be angry because my argument is logical and yours isn't even an argument, it's a defense mechanism for being wrong, and being pwnd. How many other people would you like to ridicule you before you realize you are wrong.. Btw, I noticed you throw out personal attacks when you realize you're a lost cause, not to mention they are logical fallacies.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
[b]That is a fallacious statement, DE Luke > Yoda and/or Mace now? Quite understandable as i know your a huge fan of DE, however a ROTJ Luke with only 9 years of training is not going to surpass, a Vaapad Master and a 900 old Revered Grand Master of the Order.He may not have, but he's still on par with them
Youre assuming Yoda and Mace are going to just stand around and watch the creation of the force storm, and then wait for it to hit them.. Use your head...
Luke did. He didn't know Sidious was summoning one in the first place. [/B]
And where specifically does it show that DE Luke is on par or equal to Yoda. Yes Luke has a huge potential as it is evident when he surpasses all the PT Jedi and the majority of the SW Universe by DN, however by DE, 9 years worth of training, is not going to put him on par with Yoda, he'll give Yoda alot of trouble but he certainly wont win, you're seriously underestimating the PT Jedi.
Yes, but in a vs fight that is relevant, we assume that Yoda and Mace know whats coming to do them, if you say DE Sidious wins because they dont expect a certain power then i can easily say, the Ancient Sith pwn everyone with their unknown techniques and the only reason they have no chance of blocking it is because they don't know about it. I can just as easily say Kun smashes DN Luke because his blasts are unknown to Luke. Notice how illogical those comments are. In a VS fight whatever the combatants can utilise, the defenders will know what they are going to do, hence once Yoda and Mace engage in lightsaber combat DE Sidious is not going to be able to summon a force storm AND control it whilst trying to fend a Vaapad master and a Grand Master, last time i looked, DE Sidious wasn't that "Godlike" only Kun and above have that ability.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Arguments arent irrelevent because you dont want them to be.Yoda and Mace have never seen Sidious' powers before(Ive already covered this) and wouldnt expect a force storm.
Even if you *assume* they did somehow know about it already, your dumbass argument that somehow Yoda and Mace break through Sidious' defense within the 5 seconds it takes to create a force storm is stupid.
Your argument doesnt, and never has, held any water.
And you still havent made your *address*(lol...) to what Mace and Yoda would do against Sidious' wormhole technique. This technique is an instapwn that Mace and Yoda would have no reasonable defense against.
You never had any hope in this debate, tdtd, and the only time you have ever pwned me is in your dreams.
I have to eat dinner, I'll be back on tonight.
Oh? So now the wormhole technique is ZOMG a INSTAKILL!!!! So your saying Sidious wins this fight by transporting Yoda and Mace to a different arena or place far away from him? No thats moreso "i've lost a fight therefore i must put them elsewhere to avoid death."
Also you fail to understand that just because he was able to transport a relatively weak Luke, you assume he can do it to everyone, your logic is as infallible as Numan's. Although its not shown to be able to be resisted, you haven't proven to us, how his going to use it an arena where its not open ground, and you haven't shown how that "wins" him the fight.
From here, your the only fanboy atm GV, so by all means continue arguing a lost case, DE Sidious is powerful but not Godlike as your wet dreams portray him as. Look at how the rankins stand:
1) Marka Ragnos
2) Lord Simus
3) Naga Sadow
4) Ludo Kressh
5) Freedon Nadd
6) DN Luke/Exar Kun
7) DN Luke/Exar Kun
8) DE SIDIOUS.
His ranked 8th, and by no means is he the "most powerful of the most powerful"
1) Marka Ragnos
2) Lord Simus
3) Naga Sadow
4) Ludo Kressh
5) Freedon Nadd
6) DN Luke/Exar Kun
7) DN Luke/Exar Kun
8) DE SIDIOUS.